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Why is KK being mentioned in the Pardew thread, it is like comparing orgasm to an unknown diarrhea attack.

I don't know what Pardew has or hasn't said but that really is a one sided outlook. Can the opponents not score after the 70th minute? As it was the game was over when they scored because we had absolutely no chance of scoring twice in the remaining time. That wouldn't have been the case if they'd scored during the first 70 minutes. It would have been a tough ask but it was a possibility that we could have come back, we didn't have that option later on. you actually realy think we could attack like the last twenty mins for a full 90? seriously ? edit- almost every pro ive heard today say this tactic was the correct approach btw. of course you disagree with them all simply because you dont like the manager. Nobody has said all out attack for 90, merely for us to have some ambition attack wise. We had absolutely no ambition in the first hour, and apparently that was a deliberate ploy. That to me is a terrible indictment of a cowardly and negative manager. To fill your home stadium, create a hostile atmosphere for your opponent and then just totally sit back off them. They must've thought it was fucking Christmas again.

That's what frustrates me, it's in there with Pardew, even as critical as i am with him i think it's in there. But he is so reluctant to let us play a more attacking game. Either he's to reserved to let the team go and attack or really does lack the ability to do for more than 20 minutes chasing a game, when it's more natural to throw players forward. Yet people in here suggesting it only worked because we'd lulled them into a false sense of security, despite Pardew saying before the match to all and sundry, that this is how we were going to go about it.

Anyhow, I really hope we tear into them from the off for 90 minutes on Sunday. The last 20 yesterday reminded me of us in a bygone age, under KK or SBR, and as brief as it was, I thoroughly enjoyed the feeling that I'd forgotten existed.

Must be about time Tweedle Dumber asks neesy to explain his post again.

And all of this too. This nonsense about playing 4 -2 - 4 for 90 minutes isn't what the so-called haters are saying. With Cabaye playing so deep and totally ineffective for an hour, we had no flair on the pitch. Hence the Bigi selection was not only wrong,and always was going to be, but just a mental one. I actually felt sorry for the lad, who has hardly played for 3 months or more , is very raw and inexperienced anyway. Marveaux , who with Hatem's hopeful recuperation, will not see much pitch time ,should obviously have played. Let them be wary of what we can do not vice versa. However, as we all know, that maxim us contrary to Pardew's ethos, and though his negative manner has been the catalyst for a quite successful European campaign, ultimately, it was one of the reasons we are now out. So what would we do for creativity in that quite important game on Sunday? He was out of the game with cramp from about 75 mins on Sunday, what sense would there have been in having him play another 90 last night? Honestly, I've read some absolute shite this morning, all on here. People are allowing their hate for the man, and their previously established extreme positions, to completely cloud their judgement of every game. We had a depleted squad last night, an entirely 'second choice' back four and a couple of half fit players on the bench. With what we had, and the opponents we were facing, we almost played a perfect game. An hour of Marveaux and half an hour of Hatem. Then perhaps do the opposite Sunday. Seems quite a basic concept to me. What would be the point? Our gameplan was to contain, then scare them shitless with an onslaught after 60 mins. That was achieved by bringing on three attacking players, to completely transform the team. It wouldn't have had the same effect if we'd replaced on of our attacking players. Hatem is nowehere near fit enough to be starting games. If you watched the game last night, you'd have seen that. Pardew has said we got all we could out of him last night, and it'll be the same again on Sunday. Well the point would've been to actually worry them constantly and not for 20 minutes. The Bigi selection beggared belief. Do you think that would have worked, like? I don't. It's going in circles, but, as many have said, 2-0 was the best chance we had of going through. Our gameplan gave us the best possible opportunity of achieving that. If Hatem's shot is on target, we'd have done it. It was that much of a margin. EDIT: Not sure why you've replied to me twice. I know you weren't saying he should have started, but he won't be fit to start a game three days later on the back of 30 mins, after months out. Strange that, because you were supporting him starting before and after his comeback game in Russia after a couple of months out. I'm assuming you've trawled through my posts, so you'd know better than me. I can't remember what my opinion was at the time. However, he looked a lot 'fitter' in the run up to that Anzhi match, which he started and got through 60 mins. Bit different to coming off the bench with 30 mins to go, and the manager saying that's all we can get out of him. No need for trawling through, you towed the Pardy line as you always do. Sad really.

And all of this too. This nonsense about playing 4 -2 - 4 for 90 minutes isn't what the so-called haters are saying. With Cabaye playing so deep and totally ineffective for an hour, we had no flair on the pitch. Hence the Bigi selection was not only wrong,and always was going to be, but just a mental one. I actually felt sorry for the lad, who has hardly played for 3 months or more , is very raw and inexperienced anyway. Marveaux , who with Hatem's hopeful recuperation, will not see much pitch time ,should obviously have played. Let them be wary of what we can do not vice versa. However, as we all know, that maxim us contrary to Pardew's ethos, and though his negative manner has been the catalyst for a quite successful European campaign, ultimately, it was one of the reasons we are now out. So what would we do for creativity in that quite important game on Sunday? He was out of the game with cramp from about 75 mins on Sunday, what sense would there have been in having him play another 90 last night? Honestly, I've read some absolute shite this morning, all on here. People are allowing their hate for the man, and their previously established extreme positions, to completely cloud their judgement of every game. We had a depleted squad last night, an entirely 'second choice' back four and a couple of half fit players on the bench. With what we had, and the opponents we were facing, we almost played a perfect game. An hour of Marveaux and half an hour of Hatem. Then perhaps do the opposite Sunday. Seems quite a basic concept to me. What would be the point? Our gameplan was to contain, then scare them shitless with an onslaught after 60 mins. That was achieved by bringing on three attacking players, to completely transform the team. It wouldn't have had the same effect if we'd replaced on of our attacking players. Hatem is nowehere near fit enough to be starting games. If you watched the game last night, you'd have seen that. Pardew has said we got all we could out of him last night, and it'll be the same again on Sunday. Well the point would've been to actually worry them constantly and not for 20 minutes. The Bigi selection beggared belief. Do you think that would have worked, like? I don't. It's going in circles, but, as many have said, 2-0 was the best chance we had of going through. Our gameplan gave us the best possible opportunity of achieving that. If Hatem's shot is on target, we'd have done it. It was that much of a margin. EDIT: Not sure why you've replied to me twice. I know you weren't saying he should have started, but he won't be fit to start a game three days later on the back of 30 mins, after months out. Strange that, because you were supporting him starting before and after his comeback game in Russia after a couple of months out.

Had a good game. His his obvious limitations but is a model pro, and seems a good guy too. Fair play to him.

And all of this too. This nonsense about playing 4 -2 - 4 for 90 minutes isn't what the so-called haters are saying. With Cabaye playing so deep and totally ineffective for an hour, we had no flair on the pitch. Hence the Bigi selection was not only wrong,and always was going to be, but just a mental one. I actually felt sorry for the lad, who has hardly played for 3 months or more , is very raw and inexperienced anyway. Marveaux , who with Hatem's hopeful recuperation, will not see much pitch time ,should obviously have played. Let them be wary of what we can do not vice versa. However, as we all know, that maxim us contrary to Pardew's ethos, and though his negative manner has been the catalyst for a quite successful European campaign, ultimately, it was one of the reasons we are now out. So what would we do for creativity in that quite important game on Sunday? He was out of the game with cramp from about 75 mins on Sunday, what sense would there have been in having him play another 90 last night? Honestly, I've read some absolute shite this morning, all on here. People are allowing their hate for the man, and their previously established extreme positions, to completely cloud their judgement of every game. We had a depleted squad last night, an entirely 'second choice' back four and a couple of half fit players on the bench. With what we had, and the opponents we were facing, we almost played a perfect game. An hour of Marveaux and half an hour of Hatem. Then perhaps do the opposite Sunday. Seems quite a basic concept to me. What would be the point? Our gameplan was to contain, then scare them shitless with an onslaught after 60 mins. That was achieved by bringing on three attacking players, to completely transform the team. It wouldn't have had the same effect if we'd replaced on of our attacking players. Hatem is nowehere near fit enough to be starting games. If you watched the game last night, you'd have seen that. Pardew has said we got all we could out of him last night, and it'll be the same again on Sunday. Of course I watched the game. I'm not saying he should've started last night. Half an hour last night. Start Sunday and increase that to an hour.

And all of this too. This nonsense about playing 4 -2 - 4 for 90 minutes isn't what the so-called haters are saying. With Cabaye playing so deep and totally ineffective for an hour, we had no flair on the pitch. Hence the Bigi selection was not only wrong,and always was going to be, but just a mental one. I actually felt sorry for the lad, who has hardly played for 3 months or more , is very raw and inexperienced anyway. Marveaux , who with Hatem's hopeful recuperation, will not see much pitch time ,should obviously have played. Let them be wary of what we can do not vice versa. However, as we all know, that maxim us contrary to Pardew's ethos, and though his negative manner has been the catalyst for a quite successful European campaign, ultimately, it was one of the reasons we are now out. So what would we do for creativity in that quite important game on Sunday? He was out of the game with cramp from about 75 mins on Sunday, what sense would there have been in having him play another 90 last night? Honestly, I've read some absolute shite this morning, all on here. People are allowing their hate for the man, and their previously established extreme positions, to completely cloud their judgement of every game. We had a depleted squad last night, an entirely 'second choice' back four and a couple of half fit players on the bench. With what we had, and the opponents we were facing, we almost played a perfect game. An hour of Marveaux and half an hour of Hatem. Then perhaps do the opposite Sunday. Seems quite a basic concept to me. What would be the point? Our gameplan was to contain, then scare them shitless with an onslaught after 60 mins. That was achieved by bringing on three attacking players, to completely transform the team. It wouldn't have had the same effect if we'd replaced on of our attacking players. Hatem is nowehere near fit enough to be starting games. If you watched the game last night, you'd have seen that. Pardew has said we got all we could out of him last night, and it'll be the same again on Sunday. Well the point would've been to actually worry them constantly and not for 20 minutes. The Bigi selection beggared belief.

And all of this too. This nonsense about playing 4 -2 - 4 for 90 minutes isn't what the so-called haters are saying. With Cabaye playing so deep and totally ineffective for an hour, we had no flair on the pitch. Hence the Bigi selection was not only wrong,and always was going to be, but just a mental one. I actually felt sorry for the lad, who has hardly played for 3 months or more , is very raw and inexperienced anyway. Marveaux , who with Hatem's hopeful recuperation, will not see much pitch time ,should obviously have played. Let them be wary of what we can do not vice versa. However, as we all know, that maxim us contrary to Pardew's ethos, and though his negative manner has been the catalyst for a quite successful European campaign, ultimately, it was one of the reasons we are now out. So what would we do for creativity in that quite important game on Sunday? He was out of the game with cramp from about 75 mins on Sunday, what sense would there have been in having him play another 90 last night? Honestly, I've read some absolute shite this morning, all on here. People are allowing their hate for the man, and their previously established extreme positions, to completely cloud their judgement of every game. We had a depleted squad last night, an entirely 'second choice' back four and a couple of half fit players on the bench. With what we had, and the opponents we were facing, we almost played a perfect game. An hour of Marveaux and half an hour of Hatem. Then perhaps do the opposite Sunday. Seems quite a basic concept to me.

So what is wrong with starting Marveaux and replacing him with Hatem ?

And all of this too. This nonsense about playing 4 -2 - 4 for 90 minutes isn't what the so-called haters are saying. With Cabaye playing so deep and totally ineffective for an hour, we had no flair on the pitch. Hence the Bigi selection was not only wrong,and always was going to be, but just a mental one. I actually felt sorry for the lad, who has hardly played for 3 months or more , is very raw and inexperienced anyway. Marveaux , who with Hatem's hopeful recuperation, will not see much pitch time ,should obviously have played. Let them be wary of what we can do not vice versa. However, as we all know, that maxim is contrary to Pardew's ethos, and though his negative manner has been the catalyst for a quite successful European campaign, ultimately, it was one of the reasons we are now out.

All of this.

would you have celebrated if it worked ? did it come close to working? Of course I would, but to restrict yourself to a third of the game to get in front doesn't make sense. It would if we were away but we were at home. The law of averages say we would have had more chance had we have been positive for 90 rather than 30.

At home in front of 52000 passionate supporters, let fucking Benfica worry about us. Never mind lay off them for an hour. It is his cowardly and negative style that makes me want him to get the bullet.

I thought the topical George Formby song might be a bit too highbrow .

Another masterclass, take a bow Blue Star

You're hanging from a lampost, on the corner if the street, Watching all the mackems pass by Catts for me Fuckoff N'Diaye

A masterclass by madras there.

Cheer up Muss- o - lean. Oh what can it mean To a sad Mackem bastard And a shite football team.

When Fergie picks Welbeck, its generally in the hardest games. It is all down to his workrate . Terrific attitude. Just couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo .

I like his passion but still believe our squad would be better served by someone who believes in a more attacking and attractive ethos. And someone who is more proactive too.

Fuck me Doug, that sounds like a shite suicide note.

Of course the next 10 minutes are crucial. If we can survive Pardew's team talk, we will go on and win this.