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Mackems lead.

Cameroon have been shocking

Assou-Ekotto has been awful.Based on this World Cup,Spurs won't be in the Champs League long.

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with. I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them. You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man. I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else. Parky is advocating a complete blanket ban on anything but pure blooded footballers representing their nation. Nothing to do with pure blood or race where you're born is it. English black players play for Eng cause they're born in England not cause they have Caucasian blood. Really quite concerned the amount of insinuations you've managed to level at this thread notwithstand that fifa are worried about it...I supposee fifa, Beckanbauer and half the German nation are talking shit and you living in some skiing village know what's what. Mind boggling. Random insults without trying to back up your point properly is just annoying, you really don't know how to debate something, do you? You're like the NE5 of politics. And it's not the first time the German nation have been talking shit. I've quoted 5 articles backing my point and also the concerns fifa have, but mountain boy who doesn't live in the same country as the person he's agruing wiht knows best. You should work on it, stand up isn't far off. Mountain boy? Really? That's what you're going with? Few countries in Europe accept more immigrants to their country (in comparison to the already established inhabitant number) than Norway, there's few countries that have a better view of just how immigration effects your society in general than Norway. As I said, 700-800 000 in 4.7 Million are people with immigrant background, that's pretty much one in six "Norwegians" with an immigrant background. Saying people with immigrant background should not get to choose between representing their original country or their new country, is an idiotic and old viewpoint. I do not agree with the farming of players when they've reached adulthood, but that's hardly a major problem and will never be a major problem. Just the odd player here and there not really belonging to their country they're representing, and I can look past that. Does your stance on this coincide with there may be a few budding Norwegian internationals amongst these immigrants that have settled in Norway? There already is. Having a problem with that, for any country, is a problem though. It's pretty much calling our new citizens second-rate and unpure. You're putting words into others mouths there Kaiz.,there's a difference between people leaving their country to better themselves financially and culturally and those who just want to play international football and won't get the chance to play for their country,and then do the residence thing to qualify.

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with. I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them. You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man. I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else. But that's what Germany has done mate!!The scouting of young Brazilians/whoever by foreign scouts is surely what will happen next if it hasn't already.Some countries are traditionally unscrupulous in their pilgrimage to win at all costs. The only player that shouldn't be able to play for Germany in their WC squad is Cacau. Imagine Germany vs Norway in the WC final.Cacau,as he did yesterday,makes a preposterous dive in the box.The ref buys it,gives the penalty,Cacau gets up and scores the pen,and wins the Cup for his adopted nation.You'd be really happy wouldn't you? I'd be sad Norway lost, but I'd not give a shit if it was Cacau that scored. Even when you believe he shouldn't be on the pitch because he's not in the slightest bit German?? Pull the other one Kaiz. He plays for Germany, he should get to represent Germany. I don't agree with the rule in Cacau's, but it's there, and so be it. Spot the contradiction.

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with. I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them. You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man. I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else. Parky is advocating a complete blanket ban on anything but pure blooded footballers representing their nation. Nothing to do with pure blood or race where you're born is it. English black players play for Eng cause they're born in England not cause they have Caucasian blood. Really quite concerned the amount of insinuations you've managed to level at this thread notwithstand that fifa are worried about it...I supposee fifa, Beckanbauer and half the German nation are talking shit and you living in some skiing village know what's what. Mind boggling. Random insults without trying to back up your point properly is just annoying, you really don't know how to debate something, do you? You're like the NE5 of politics. And it's not the first time the German nation have been talking shit. I've quoted 5 articles backing my point and also the concerns fifa have, but mountain boy who doesn't live in the same country as the person he's agruing wiht knows best. You should work on it, stand up isn't far off. Mountain boy? Really? That's what you're going with? Few countries in Europe accept more immigrants to their country (in comparison to the already established inhabitant number) than Norway, there's few countries that have a better view of just how immigration effects your society in general than Norway. As I said, 700-800 000 in 4.7 Million are people with immigrant background, that's pretty much one in six "Norwegians" with an immigrant background. Saying people with immigrant background should not get to choose between representing their original country or their new country, is an idiotic and old viewpoint. I do not agree with the farming of players when they've reached adulthood, but that's hardly a major problem and will never be a major problem. Just the odd player here and there not really belonging to their country they're representing, and I can look past that. Does your stance on this coincide with there may be a few budding Norwegian internationals amongst these immigrants that have settled in Norway?

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with. I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them. You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man. I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else. But that's what Germany has done mate!!The scouting of young Brazilians/whoever by foreign scouts is surely what will happen next if it hasn't already.Some countries are traditionally unscrupulous in their pilgrimage to win at all costs. The only player that shouldn't be able to play for Germany in their WC squad is Cacau. Imagine Germany vs Norway in the WC final.Cacau,as he did yesterday,makes a preposterous dive in the box.The ref buys it,gives the penalty,Cacau gets up and scores the pen,and wins the Cup for his adopted nation.You'd be really happy wouldn't you? I'd be sad Norway lost, but I'd not give a shit if it was Cacau that scored. Even when you believe he shouldn't be on the pitch because he's not in the slightest bit German?? Pull the other one Kaiz.

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with. I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them. You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man. I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else. But that's what Germany has done mate!!The scouting of young Brazilians/whoever by foreign scouts is surely what will happen next if it hasn't already.Some countries are traditionally unscrupulous in their pilgrimage to win at all costs. The only player that shouldn't be able to play for Germany in their WC squad is Cacau. Imagine Germany vs Norway in the WC final.Cacau,as he did yesterday,makes a preposterous dive in the box.The ref buys it,gives the penalty,Cacau gets up and scores the pen,and wins the Cup for his adopted nation.You'd be really happy wouldn't you?

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with. I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them. You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man. I'm astounded that people can't see that unless something is done, richer countries will hoover up young talent. Germany are also in a massively advantagous postion situated as they are in the middle of Europe with a huge multi-german ethnic German diaspora - extended families of Croatians, Serbs, Hungarians, czechs right through to Latvians and now some Russians. Are people really that naive to think that Germany hasn't started to take advantage of that. It seems so.

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with. I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them. You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man. I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else. But that's what Germany has done mate!!The scouting of young Brazilians/whoever by foreign scouts is surely what will happen next if it hasn't already.Some countries are traditionally unscrupulous in their pilgrimage to win at all costs. The only player that shouldn't be able to play for Germany in their WC squad is Cacau. But he's there.So Germany are wrong.End of story.

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with. I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them. You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man. I'm not advocating that at all, man. Have you even read my posts? I'm against nautralising players as adults, just not against letting people who've lived their whole life in a country play for that country because they were born somewhere else. But that's what Germany has done mate!!The scouting of young Brazilians/whoever by foreign scouts is surely what will happen next if it hasn't already.Some countries are traditionally unscrupulous in their pilgrimage to win at all costs.

The final solution according to Kaiz.

You only partly agree with the view he's been putting across, though. Which incidentially also is the part the rest of us also agree with. I've stated already if you are born in a country or have parents/grandparents that were,then you should be allowed to play for them. You'll be advocating a transfer market for international football next.It's like England sending scouts to Brazil to watch say U-12 footballers,offering the best players' parents fortunes and nice houses in England, to play for England when they are 20 or so.It isn't right man.

Ridiculous poll question tbh.This isn't even the debate!!The debate is whether Germany are stretching the rules to allow Brazilian born and bred Cacau to play for them.As Kezman points out,Poland have also done this as have Middle Eastern nations. It is something I wouldn't be happy about if the English FA started courting the likes of Almunia/Arteta. To call Parky a Fascist,in his views which incidentally I agree with, is frankly disgusting,and obviously doesn't show a high level of intelligence,to resort to a foul level of name calling.

The only person in the German WC squad that should not be allowed to call himself a German International is Cacau. But the German FA allow him to be...that's Parky's point.I'm deffo off now as the Calamine will wear off soon!!Nite all!!

He's more un-Norwegian in the fact that he's a farly decent footballer tbh. You're old enough to remember the 90s, billy. You dissapoint me. And '81 too.But let's face it,you've never really been a beacon in World football.I remember Hareide,Aas,Fjortoft,Rekdal,Flo etc.I was only jesting.

He's more un-Norwegian in the fact that he's a fairly decent footballer tbh.

Right gadgies,I'm off to bed.I have to be up early to ring in sick.

Another farcical situation,I agree.

Or Owen Hargreaves? Owen Hargreaves has an English father.I never understood how Barnes qualified tbh.

I don't know if that's a compliment or an insult. Btw I'm only 3 nations! As for representing another country, every situation is different. You have Ozil tonight for example, born in Germany to Turkish parents, and he represents Germany. Now by contrast you have Podolski and Klose who are Polish but raised in Germany from very young ages. Now some families that emigrate retain their culture, by only speaking their mother tongue at home for example. Now if you live in Germany but spend all your free time speaking Turkish or Polish then you may still feel a strong connection to that part of your heritage, so the idea of representing them is not entirely alien, when you consider that one of those parents may want you to represent their birth country, it's not quite as bad as is made out. You then have people who move to a country later in life and become bonded to that country, like Liedson, Deco, or Pepe of Portugal, if you qualify as a citizen of a country you can't really stop them representing that country, as they may feel a connection towards it. The problem you have is being sure of the validity of their claim, the best examples of that are Guerrero of Poland and some of the middle eastern nations with Brazilians in their side, it's sad that players will cheapen themselves by clinging to any nationality just to experience a major tournament, but to claim that a player is incapable of gaining a bond with a nation outside of the one in which they were born is slightly naive. It's even sadder that these nations could be approaching these players in the first place.Could we approach Arteta?Yes. I'd find that although Mikel would walk into our side probably,it isn't right to select him over a player who qualifies through parentage or birth tbh. Mikel is wank. Mikel Arteta you you you... I knew some numbnuts would do that

I don't know if that's a compliment or an insult. Btw I'm only 3 nations! As for representing another country, every situation is different. You have Ozil tonight for example, born in Germany to Turkish parents, and he represents Germany. Now by contrast you have Podolski and Klose who are Polish but raised in Germany from very young ages. Now some families that emigrate retain their culture, by only speaking their mother tongue at home for example. Now if you live in Germany but spend all your free time speaking Turkish or Polish then you may still feel a strong connection to that part of your heritage, so the idea of representing them is not entirely alien, when you consider that one of those parents may want you to represent their birth country, it's not quite as bad as is made out. You then have people who move to a country later in life and become bonded to that country, like Liedson, Deco, or Pepe of Portugal, if you qualify as a citizen of a country you can't really stop them representing that country, as they may feel a connection towards it. The problem you have is being sure of the validity of their claim, the best examples of that are Guerrero of Poland and some of the middle eastern nations with Brazilians in their side, it's sad that players will cheapen themselves by clinging to any nationality just to experience a major tournament, but to claim that a player is incapable of gaining a bond with a nation outside of the one in which they were born is slightly naive. It's even sadder that these nations could be approaching these players in the first place.Could we approach Arteta?Yes. I'd find that although Mikel would walk into our side probably,it isn't right to select him over a player who qualifies through parentage or birth tbh.

Debate? It's just Parky being racist and throwing random insults around rather than trying to back up his viewpoint. Fail to see the racism tbh Might be the wrong word. Whatever it's called when you don't want anyone born anywhere else than your country representing your country, in whatever way. As long as they qualify through heritage it shouldn't matter where you are born.Cacau clearly has no Deutsch claret in him. As I've said, I'm against changing your nationality by the (in most countries) five year rule. I'm just not against people that have lived in a country for their entire life not being able to represent the country they want to, love, and identify themselves with because they weren't born there. Cacau and Tulio are the 2 worst offences imo. I thought you didn't mind parentage, I think Tulio is Japanese diaspora. I've been a tad ignorant here then, scrub him.

Now that's efficiency for you. Ends all debates about how German he is tbh. Ah..... '39,a big year for the Germans.And the Polish too for that matter. Ouch, that's a spot. Don't mention spots purrrlleeaaassee.

Debate? It's just Parky being racist and throwing random insults around rather than trying to back up his viewpoint. Fail to see the racism tbh Might be the wrong word. Whatever it's called when you don't want anyone born anywhere else than your country representing your country, in whatever way. As long as they qualify through heritage it shouldn't matter where you are born.Cacau clearly has no Deutsch claret in him. As I've said, I'm against changing your nationality by the (in most countries) five year rule. I'm just not against people that have lived in a country for their entire life not being able to represent the country they want to, love, and identify themselves with because they weren't born there. Cacau and Tulio are the 2 worst offences imo.