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It's a pity we didn't do that before Italia 90, we then wouldn't have ended up with Graham Taylor. The FA told Bobby they wouldn't be renewing before Italia 90 iirc.

This. The whole system needs looking at. Whoever manages England needs to be part of the overall picture, and what they have to do next is to bring through the young players who will eventually form the core of a new national team. What I'd hope for is some long-term plan that isn't merely focused on qualifying for and doing well at Euro 2012, but uses the next few years to build some stronger foundations. We certainly need someone with a bit more vision than Howard fucking Wilkinson to do the kind of restructuring job Gerard Houllier did in France -- so successful that France began churning out technically excellent players (many of whom ended up in the Prem, though not all of national team quality; we had a few ourselves) and won WC98 and Euro 2000. What I doubt is that the FA, hopped up on Premier League profits and infected with good old British short-termism, is up to the task. Whether Capello stays or goes should basically be part of a much bigger question. And why give an International manager a new contract before a tournament?Makes diddly sense to me. Because the press told them to. Aye they'll be turning like a Lib-Dem tomorrow.

Not Mertesacker,he's s****.Friedrich maybe. Podolski definitely Thomas Muller. He bossed the match today. Which English players would get in the German side? Ashley Cole and............ nope, that's it. .... Ballack would have made the German starting 11 today if it wasn't for injury. And they'd have been worse for it.Fucking Prince Boateng.

This. The whole system needs looking at. Whoever manages England needs to be part of the overall picture, and what they have to do next is to bring through the young players who will eventually form the core of a new national team. What I'd hope for is some long-term plan that isn't merely focused on qualifying for and doing well at Euro 2012, but uses the next few years to build some stronger foundations. We certainly need someone with a bit more vision than Howard fucking Wilkinson to do the kind of restructuring job Gerard Houllier did in France -- so successful that France began churning out technically excellent players (many of whom ended up in the Prem, though not all of national team quality; we had a few ourselves) and won WC98 and Euro 2000. What I doubt is that the FA, hopped up on Premier League profits and infected with good old British short-termism, is up to the task. Whether Capello stays or goes should basically be part of a much bigger question. And why give an International manager a new contract before a tournament?Makes diddly sense to me.

Should have sent him home.Play Dawson and Upson and of course if things had gone tits up,he had a ready made scapegoat.Incidentally,I think Dawson wouldn't have defended as poorly as the 2 CB's for their first 2 goals. You know as well as i do, if we defended as poorly as we did today with Terry being sent home. Fans/Press would want Capello's head. Being dumped out of the world cup in that style with your best defender sent home over hardly outrageous remarks.. Terry questioned why Joe Cole wasn't playing, exactly what every England fan was wondering the same thing after those 2 awful games. But as a player,he had absolutely no right to.

The job's made for Churchill Dog.If he fails we'll still think he's a cunt.

Should have sent him home.Play Dawson and Upson and of course if things had gone tits up,he had a ready made scapegoat.Incidentally,I think Dawson wouldn't have defended as poorly as the 2 CB's for their first 2 goals.

Not Mertesacker,he's shite.Friedrich maybe. Podolski definitely

It isn't that,it's the piss-poor way we've played with no flexibilty to the system.He's also put square pegs in round holes selection wise,ie playing Gerrard wide left,when he left left sided midfielders at home.It's about taking King when he can only play once a fortnight with his knees.It's about having no Plan B when Plan A isn't working.It's about an England side playing with no passion.It's about allowing Terry to have press conferences where he disrespects his squad mates without properly punishing him.It's about taking SWP and giving him game-time every game.It's about persuading Carragher to return when he's clearly well past his best.It's about not dropping supposed superstars when they haven't put a foot right in 4 games. I could go on but I can't be arsed.

A point Shearer made is that he feels the players don't like him,he says this because of their body language.The way they've played suggests to me that he's lost the dressing room and if he were to stay then it would only get worse. A big go from me. I'd take Harry but doubtful the FA will with his current legal position.

Great goal by the new Man Utd. player.

Tevez is fucking brill.....what a strike.

How anyone can blame James is baffling. He made two saves he maybe shouldn't have, and was left without protection time after time. He's one of the only players that can walk away from that tournament with any sense of professional fulfilment. He should have done better with the 2nd and 3rd but shouldn't have been left that exposed on both occasions tbh.

Higuain misses sitter.

Didn't even crater chance.

How many times in one day have the commentators or pundits used the phrase "time and time again"?

Sky Sports blaming Upson and James.No mention of Terry whatsoever.

A fit Woody is better than JT and Rio tbh.

Schweinsteiger was the catalyst imo,never gave away the ball all game.The only fortunate thing you can level at the Germans,except for the goal that wasn't,is Ballack getting injured has brought in Khedira,who looks a superb player.

Football is behind the times sport-wise,all Blatter's fault.

Never mind Garth,there must be some swimming coming up.

Anyway,I'm now watching the cricket where England are wanking all over the 4th generation cattle rustlers.

Capello said we played well.He needs moving out now tbh.

We've defended like blind tortoises.3 out of the 4 of the defenders aren't good enough.

Hey c'mon lads,let's not get Irish about this.It's football,shit sometimes happens.