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Its all wrong

"So you think you can dance?"

I think you'll find it was number of factors which didn't see us past the post first. I would say lack of experience was the main one and secondly a few of our regulars ran out of steam. We were a hell of a lot closer to winning the league under KK then SBR and had a better team to boot. Can you remember Alex fergusons title challenge before the prem when his Man U team blew a 12 pt lead? I think keeping Venison may have made a difference, but as I now see from the replies to the tripe posted earlier, people have already mentioned the remarkable run by manure, for which they get no credit such is the eagerness to put the boot in to Newcastle United and Kevin Keegan. I did mention their run.

Attack Of the banana men!

So f***ing what if Ashley and Mort said that? Hardly paragons of truth. KK was not appointed at the behest of the fans, no-one could believe it had happened and the response to the appointment could be best described (imo) as something along the lines of terrified excitement. Like getting caught wanking over pat butcher.

He added David Batty to protect the back four and added Asprilla to bring more goals in.

Ferguson was backed at Man UTD where KK had lost faith in the Halls and their cronies. The failure to winning the league that season for NUFC was a stepping stone/learning curve of what is needed to winning the league.

I think you'll find it was number of factors which didn't see us past the post first. I would say lack of experience was the main one and secondly a few of our regulars ran out of steam. We were a hell of a lot closer to winning the league under KK then SBR and had a better team to boot. Can you remember Alex fergusons title challenge before the prem when his Man U team blew a 12 pt lead?

If KK is proven right in court and the cub have to pay him 10 mil, then its AShley at fault again. Seems to be a reocurring situation doesn't it. Ashley seems to be at the centre of all the problems at the club and KK still gets the blame. laughable.

eh? KK was within a couple of points of winning the league with players who had NEVER won it so lacked the experience. Man u were going for yet another title and had the experience. Hence that mega run the had towards the end of the season where cantona and Schmiechle were superb for them.

EH, it was totally out of the blue, nobody expected it. So you basing your facts on a few words from a couple of pals back home. Fcuk me.

:lol: :lol: Oh my. Ashley slurper!

I dont remember any fans saying bring back KK, I never heard anyone mention it. It was a suprise for everyone when it was annouced.

I dont think anyone thinks he is a divine god, only the media use it. I think he is a more trust worthy man then the halls, Shepherd and some fucking wankers like Ashley, Llambias and Wise. All the above have been proven to be cunts, yet people like you still have a pop at KK

In the prem i would have been worried, but what did Cardif do really to threaten? I thought they huffed and puffed but never really broke us down on a regular basis, the had the odd chance and that was it.

When that grimsby player kept elowbing Shearer and the ref just kept waving lay on all the time.

:lol: :lol:

What you say above is good and correct and I agree with it, as I always have. It is difficult to estimate how much of this MESS was Ashley's fault, but (as owner) he has to take by far the bulk of the blame. Now, without you having met him, or 'seen the photos', I would imagine you will agree with that. The reasons Keegan left (that you mention) are all valid, as I have always said, and are undoubtedly part of it. BUT, many people continue to rationalise and over-simplify the reason why he left, "latching on" to the Ashley-and-funds-and-choice-of-players, thing. It is most unlikely that anything as simple as that would have caused him to leave - it he came here to "finish the job" etc - with the speed with which he did. It just does not FIT. It smells. There must be more to it than just that. There is a lot more complexity in why Keegan returned and why he left so soon, that the simply-presented "reasons" of the funds and choice of players, that so many people (as said) happily latch on to as being the be-all-and-end-all of the situation. C'mon, the whole thing STINKS. I really cannot find any other way to say this now. I have described the "Ashley & Funds" bit, as the 'last chapter' and the 'last page', and I have tried many other ways to get the message across here - so I can do no more. Simply, there is more to it than that - it stinks to high heaven. He came back as soon as the Halls and Shepherds were out of the club, he came in thinking Mike Ashley was going to at least take the club forward, it then became apparent that Ashley had no intension to spend and he was going to reduce the operating costs of the club. KK couldn't deal with Ashley, Lambias and Wise as they were fuck nuts without a clue so was either sacked or quit. I'm not sure where you get this "must be another reason" for him to return from. Are you basing your argument for KK coming back with other motives on that shitty lazy article in one of the papers sayng it was because Soccer Circus was struggling and he needed cash. The same Soccer Circus which is still going even in the recession.

Pretty much so, I was disgusted with the lack of effort and drive, we only needed to get a goal.

I'm not claiming he hasn't got character flaws. He clearerly has like all of us but I'll defend him over the fiasco which is Mike Fucking Ashley any day of the week. I felt let down like the rest of us when he left BUT his reasons for doing so have become apparant over time. So you are saying that Keegans return to Newcastle was for other reasons and this far out weighs the mess Ashley has got us in? What proof do you have thats says KK came back with other motives in mind??? I said KK left beause he could not get Ashley to spend the clubs money on players that were seriously needed he felt he had to leave to push the situation further. he was proved right.

He still managed to score twice against us for Derby.

If true, the bit about the Americans dealing direct with Ashley rather than through Seymour Pierce is interesting. Harris has said more than once that he thinks there should be a strong local presence in the ownership of the club. It's reasonable to surmise that he favours Moat. Personally, I think local ownership is a mixed blessing. You often hear that the club should be owned by someone who understands the place of the club in the region, but it's not clear exactly what decisions would be different in the case of a local owner. If anything, we need owners that can resist the pressure and not get sucked into decisions that are driven more by hope and emotion than common sense. A big problem with Shepherd was that, as a fan, he couldn't resist meddling in footballing decisions and showed favouritism to Shearer as the fans' hero. You could look at Ashley and say that he, as an outsider, hasn't done very well. My view is that his overall strategy was fine in the circumstances that the club were in, but his fatal blunder was appointing Keegan - a man whose motivation was suspect, who was unsuited to a long-term approach or working within a team, and whose chief asset was his standing with the fans. In that decision, Ashley was paying too much attention to local opinion, not too little. Of course, some may disagree. KEEGAN'S MOTIVATION, in coming back . . Yes, that is something that has bugged me quite a lot. I mean, what do you think he came back for? Certainly, events have proved that it was NOT (what we all hoped it was for) to "finish off the job he started and win us the Premier League every year" . . . NO, I think it was something altogether "less noble" than that. He certainly didn't stick around long when the going got tough, did he? Because of THAT (though it was probably Ashley's actual fault) we are now relegated and are in the Second Division ('nothingness', as someone once called it). Yes KEEGAN'S MOTIVES, are very, very, very, suspect - in MY opinion. Its KKs fault we are in the 2nd div? Lame, Not the fact that ashley would not invest money?? Thats why KK left, he could nto get Ashley to invest in any players. Jesus wept. Embarrassing isn't it? Some people still fail to understand why Keegan left. EVERYONE knows why he left. That was just the 'last chapter' (the 'last page', even) in the story. His reasons for coming back and his lack of regard for us and the club by his leaving So SOON (so bl**dy soon) should not be disregarded so totally. He was, and is, complicit (strongly) in our demise, whether you like it or not. Ok then if this is defacto and you have spoken to KK himself and know the truth of why he was here for such a short period of time, could you share this with me and the rest of the folk on this forum? Have you any idea how silly that sounds? As with anything in life, you do not need to have spoken to (or even 'met') the individuals involved, to know a lot about what went on. How many people in Dallas have you spoken to about President Kennedy being shot? Yet, you know he was and that Lee Harvey Oswald was involved, though (like with Keegan) you cannot know the FULL extent of his involvement. How many people in New York have you spoken to (and met) about the destruction of the World Trade centre . . and yet, you know what happened . . . Need I go on? You cannot (well, 'should' not) artificially instigate "additional proof standards" to the Keegan leaving Newcastle situation, that does not apply to any other of the ten trillion or so 'events' that occur around the world. Keegan WAS involved in our demise. I have NOT "seen the photos" . . . but he WAS involved in our demise. You talk so much shit my eyes bleed reading it. you said - "His reasons for coming back and his lack of regard for us and the club by his leaving So SOON (so bl**dy soon) should not be disregarded so totally." So you know the reason why he came back and his quick exit.

If true, the bit about the Americans dealing direct with Ashley rather than through Seymour Pierce is interesting. Harris has said more than once that he thinks there should be a strong local presence in the ownership of the club. It's reasonable to surmise that he favours Moat. Personally, I think local ownership is a mixed blessing. You often hear that the club should be owned by someone who understands the place of the club in the region, but it's not clear exactly what decisions would be different in the case of a local owner. If anything, we need owners that can resist the pressure and not get sucked into decisions that are driven more by hope and emotion than common sense. A big problem with Shepherd was that, as a fan, he couldn't resist meddling in footballing decisions and showed favouritism to Shearer as the fans' hero. You could look at Ashley and say that he, as an outsider, hasn't done very well. My view is that his overall strategy was fine in the circumstances that the club were in, but his fatal blunder was appointing Keegan - a man whose motivation was suspect, who was unsuited to a long-term approach or working within a team, and whose chief asset was his standing with the fans. In that decision, Ashley was paying too much attention to local opinion, not too little. Of course, some may disagree. KEEGAN'S MOTIVATION, in coming back . . Yes, that is something that has bugged me quite a lot. I mean, what do you think he came back for? Certainly, events have proved that it was NOT (what we all hoped it was for) to "finish off the job he started and win us the Premier League every year" . . . NO, I think it was something altogether "less noble" than that. He certainly didn't stick around long when the going got tough, did he? Because of THAT (though it was probably Ashley's actual fault) we are now relegated and are in the Second Division ('nothingness', as someone once called it). Yes KEEGAN'S MOTIVES, are very, very, very, suspect - in MY opinion. Its KKs fault we are in the 2nd div? Lame, Not the fact that ashley would not invest money?? Thats why KK left, he could nto get Ashley to invest in any players. Jesus wept. Embarrassing isn't it? Some people still fail to understand why Keegan left. EVERYONE knows why he left. That was just the 'last chapter' (the 'last page', even) in the story. His reasons for coming back and his lack of regard for us and the club by his leaving So SOON (so bl**dy soon) should not be disregarded so totally. He was, and is, complicit (strongly) in our demise, whether you like it or not. Ok then if this is defacto and you have spoken to KK himself and know the truth of why he was here for such a short period of time, could you share this with me and the rest of the folk on this forum?

If true, the bit about the Americans dealing direct with Ashley rather than through Seymour Pierce is interesting. Harris has said more than once that he thinks there should be a strong local presence in the ownership of the club. It's reasonable to surmise that he favours Moat. Personally, I think local ownership is a mixed blessing. You often hear that the club should be owned by someone who understands the place of the club in the region, but it's not clear exactly what decisions would be different in the case of a local owner. If anything, we need owners that can resist the pressure and not get sucked into decisions that are driven more by hope and emotion than common sense. A big problem with Shepherd was that, as a fan, he couldn't resist meddling in footballing decisions and showed favouritism to Shearer as the fans' hero. You could look at Ashley and say that he, as an outsider, hasn't done very well. My view is that his overall strategy was fine in the circumstances that the club were in, but his fatal blunder was appointing Keegan - a man whose motivation was suspect, who was unsuited to a long-term approach or working within a team, and whose chief asset was his standing with the fans. In that decision, Ashley was paying too much attention to local opinion, not too little. Of course, some may disagree. KEEGAN'S MOTIVATION, in coming back . . Yes, that is something that has bugged me quite a lot. I mean, what do you think he came back for? Certainly, events have proved that it was NOT (what we all hoped it was for) to "finish off the job he started and win us the Premier League every year" . . . NO, I think it was something altogether "less noble" than that. He certainly didn't stick around long when the going got tough, did he? Because of THAT (though it was probably Ashley's actual fault) we are now relegated and are in the Second Division ('nothingness', as someone once called it). Yes KEEGAN'S MOTIVES, are very, very, very, suspect - in MY opinion. Its KKs fault we are in the 2nd div? Lame, Not the fact that ashley would not invest money?? Thats why KK left, he could nto get Ashley to invest in any players. Jesus wept.