mrmojorisin75

You want us to play attractive football like Arsenal or Man U, but not have players who harrass the ref like Arsenal or Man U. You want us to be successful but to put entertainment and fair play ahead of winning. You want the perfect chairman and manager who make the right decisions and say the right things all the time. You want us to be loved and respected by the media and fans of the teams we are beating because of our beautiful football and honourable conduct. You want us to do all this without spending any money. Are you HTT in disguise? ah now i see, i should set my sights on us playing like wimbledon, doing deals like george graham and sending refs death threats when things don't go our way we have wildy different interpretations of what the word aspire means my friend

You're mental tbh cheers, i'm right though

Who would you rather be, Accrington Stanley or Chelsea? Think hard before you answer because in today's football there are only 2 directions. Unfortunately it all depends on money, which to a high degree buys success. There's no other way to have success. Chelsea are doing nothing wrong, people are just jealous and since they have quality on the pitch which nobody can falter then people use their wealth to try and put them down. I'm not saying I like what I see, I'm just saying how it is and people just have to go along with it. personally i'd rather not be a team grinding one-nils for the sake of "everything" (i.e. to win) personally i'd rather be see a keegan/wenger/ferguson team than a mourinho one personally i'd rather not see players wearing our shirt to harass referees, cheat or do anything else underhand to secure the all important win if we become a club that is defined by winning then it will be sad, sad day...

Ba ha ha, you've just made my point for me - that might as well be right out of the mouth of Pete Kenyon or Fat Fred

"someone who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing". we didn't sign solano in the summer, and sibierski was widely considered to be an awful signing until he scored a couple of goals....but again you're missing the point: shepherd is type of man who knows how much it costs the club to sack Uncle Bobby, but only in how much the pay off was....we're still realising the real price of that and will be for some time "more where that came from? when have you ever got that impression from FF?" i don't know, marcelino, albert luque, michael owen to name a few...the utter inability to learn from past mistakes & the continual references to backing the manager in the future, which we'll see again in January to everyones cost (although i hope not) "non-sensical statement, how can you be a cut price version of Chelsea? That would be anyone other than Chelsea surely" you appear to know all about non-sensical statements, how could Chel$ki be another version of themselves i wonder?

well done

You've tried to make a point, and now you're getting arsey when people disagree. Nice one. Would you have preferred it if everyone had nodded their head and said "Nice post." not at all, but nobody has refuted anything i said at the start, merely sidestepped it and said something else for why we're not a cut-price version of Chel$ki - the point remains that we are managed and administered without class, piss money away and then are told "we'll always back our managers" with more money and so on.... just saying "there are differences" with us and Chel$ki is beyond the glaringly obvious We all know that the chairman lacks class in pretty much everything he does. This has been discussed on here again and again. But Shepherd has been doing it for years, and I for one don't consider us a cut-price Chelsea. It's the comparison to Chelsea that I take issue with, not the lack of class argument which pretty much all but two posters on here agree with anyway. if we're being picky i actually said we're being driven towards it, not that we are it, and i stand by that the only thing that is stopping the current regime from running our club in the same manner is that they don't have the same personal fortune to buy and run the club (do you think FS would merrilly follow FA & PL rules or do what Chel$ki do given half the chance?) nor the ability to choose a management team to run the club in a successful, effective and efficient manner no problem whatsoever with people disagreeing with me, and i admit that my loathing for the man Shepherd blinds me sometimes...in this case i think i'm right though

You've tried to make a point, and now you're getting arsey when people disagree. Nice one. Would you have preferred it if everyone had nodded their head and said "Nice post." not at all, but nobody has refuted anything i said at the start, merely sidestepped it and said something else for why we're not a cut-price version of Chel$ki - the point remains that we are managed and administered without class, piss money away and then are told "we'll always back our managers" with more money and so on.... just saying "there are differences" with us and Chel$ki is beyond the glaringly obvious

fair point - i like it....maybe a better comparison as Real have conducted themselves is poorly as Chel$ki in recent times i suppose...

man, tough crowd...i'll have to be more explicit if i ever make it out of this post alive there are of course many differences between us and Chel$ki; they're from London, they play in Blue, they won trophy's BEFORE they had shedloads of money, they WERE about to go into bankrupcy when we could be headed for that in the near future, they HAD an obnoxious universally despised chairman now we've got one... need i go on? taking it to extremes, which people here seem inclined to do, then no we're not a cut-price version that said our chairman states he doesn't care about teams in lower divisions go out of business, takes the piss out of his own clubs fanbase, lying to us while looking us in the eye about who we're gonna sign as players/managers... i could go on what i'm getting, and here is where i spell it out for you in crayon, is that these are the TRAITS that Chel$ki display that make them hated, just because our custodians show them in slightly different ways doesn't mean they aren't the same

ah, it's me then!! we're actually being run in an ethical way, frugally taking care of our money instead of pissing it away at the first opportunity on shite that never plays for us and offering 80,000 p/w wages to players who can't make 20 games a season that's sarcasm in case you were wondering i'll refer you back to the quotes i started with, please tell me how they don't apply to us?

The follwoing quotes are taken from an excellent article in the Telegraph about Chel$ki: "Class is the key word. The people who own, manage and administer Chelsea underline, week in, week out, what Oscar Wilde meant when he defined a cynic as 'someone who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing'. They spend money like drunken sailors, and brag about there being 'more where that came from'. Then they wonder why the world outside their frantic little parish withholds its respect." "West Bromwich Albion is a football club. Accrington Stanley is a football club. Chelsea has not been a football club for some while. It is a vanity publication, run by vulgarians for whom modesty is a badge of shame…" When I read that I feel it is all too easy to replace Chel$ki with NUFC. Over the last decade we have been driven towards becoming a cut-price Netto version of the current Chel$ki; from being the toast of the country a decade ago for our football & fans, we're now arguably second to Chel$ki in the derision league and show few signs of that changing for the better. The major difference is that we've "acheived" our status on the back of the fans money, not a "Geordie Ambramovich". We need to get the chairman, board, cronies, lackies, sycophants out of our club and run it the way we'd be proud to see it. Anyone not in favour of a takeover think hard on that.

maybe we should forget about blowing our 10m wad on a player we don't need, as has been mentioned milner needs more games & faith and he'll come good, he's got the ability if we need a solano replacement at the end of the season maybe we should go out and find one from another team for a good price instead of limiting our scouting range to chel$ki and man utd reserve teams...it this kind of thinking that's got us in the shit we're in anyone think of that?

fergie has spent since 1999 (and LOT of money) building a team to accomodate someone like carrick, that's the difference....ronaldo, saha, rooney, giggs, evra, neville etc... all provide the movement carrick needs to thrive as a player stick him in our team and he'd be a waste of space 'cause none of our players understand how to run off the ball intelligently

think of it this way - if the belgravia bid, or indeed that polyglon one that was mentioned, comes to fruition then it for one reason and one reason only: to make money on the face of it not what we want but look beneath the surface and i think of it like this - any business looking to maximise profit long-term will try to reduce overheads and increase revenue, business 101 football is a different animal, i agree, but these groups are basically gonna be astute enough to know that to succeed in making profit they need to the club to be winning, spending reasonable but not stupid amounts of money...and so on and so forth therefore i'd see them investing short-term, probably with the newly increased tv money in mind, but then instituting something longer term: a director of football overseeing scouting, recruiting scouts, recruiting players BEFORE they make it somewhere else and cost a fortune, enforcing a wage structure at the club etc... contrast that with the current regime: we have an academy but it seems to exist only because the fat man has heard about them from someone else, or read about them in 4-4-2, the way it's run and treated is a farce, we've had a succession of managers in the last decade, paid extortionate/ridiculous prices for players (so much so i'm staggered nothing has come out of the investigations into bungs and our transfers) and the one man who put into place a transfer strategy of sorts was humiliated and sacked oh and lest we forget the personal fortune our current benefactors have raked in as recompense for their performance over a decade..... bring on the takeover

lets not reinvent the wheel here, by common consensus a lot of our players are decent, thus: sell or release babayaro (500,000??) & bernard (no cash for bernard of course) sell carr for, i don't know, 1m tops sell bramble for anything we can get before his contract runs out, 500,000 tops but i doubt even that dependant on another mid being signed i'd let emre go for 5m plus i see no benefit in selling milner/n'zogbia/solano/duff/parker/butt at this time ramage and taylor are proving themselves so to sign a whole new defence for the sake of it is idiocy sell luque for anything we can get, even a swap deal to the end of the season, whatever....5m tops therefore, and although i don't like the guy, lucas neill coming out of contract for less than 5m would be a good deal for us i'd look at billy jones from crewe, young but can play anywhere across the back and has a contract dispute i believe bridge for less than 5m would also be good for us, assuming his head is right maloney from celtic also coming out of contract makes sense for us barnes from derby, someone with potential for decent money that leaves us, in my opinion given all of that needing to sign a shit-hot CB, and i'd be looking at someone like mertsaeker the german lad and as a striker darren bent....i think we'd have to prioritise one of them and i'd go for the defender for big money ahead of the striker....if we got the defender then get a loanee striker til owen comes back that would leave as a squad: given, harper, krul bridge, jones, moore, mertsaker, taylor, ramage, neill, hunty parker, butt, dyer, duff, n'zogbia, solano, pattison, milner, barnes sibierski owen (ahem), shola (ahem), maloney, ANO (Bent or loanee), obagoals lets say 12m raised tops spent 20-25m and have something resembling a squad that wouldn't need much work again in the summer assuming owen plays again

excellent riposte, tried and tested i think he deserves some more time, but not much....it was so long ago now but i believe i mentioned something about if we continue in our current vein for 1-2 months, i.e. this crucial XMAS period then he will have to go surely? or we'll be down i like the guy, as do most people, but the cliche is true, results matter what you have to see in a manager is the evidence of change when things aren't going right; pardew is showing signs of that at west ham but as yet i'm not seeing it with roeder i sincerely hope he turns it around in the short term but doing that will not mask the glaring problems we face as a club from board level down

So he has a couple of personality traits that are different from Souness, that hardly makes him the anti-Souness or a knee-jerk appointment in a completely different direction. The main problems that were associated with Souness were that he fell out with players, holding personal grudges to the detriment of the team, and that he was tactically inept. Both these criticisms (whether deserved or not) have also already been levelled at Roeder. Uh.... Okay Joker. We had 3 wingers - one of whom is ageing, and another who is just a kid - we now have 4. Hardly overstocking is it? Especially when the wingers are typically the first players who get subbed to freshen up a team. We brought in 3 strikers actually. I guess you haven't been reading this board for long otherwise you'd know that for the vast majority on here the "desires of the fans" were actually to spend most of any money available on a complete overhaul of the defence. We are 9th in the goals conceeded table, and rock bottom of the goals scored table. Who was right about where we needed to strengthen? Manager or fans? Charlton are idiots. If Charlton jumped off a cliff... ah i see you're an advocate of being petty so i'll come back to you number one - my definition of soon doesn't appear to coincide with yours, if i'd have meant "immediately" i'd have said it number two - i don't recall stating that in EVERY POSSIBLE sense roeder was the anti souness merely implying in a managerial sense, what on earth did you think i meant? that's pitiful number three - roeder was actually going to sell milner so we'd have been back to 3 wingers and i seem to recall common consensus being that duff, although a good price, was perhaps not the best utilisation of our megre funds as he might also have a negative impact on n'zogbias progress, which has become the case number four - a chat room doesn't represent the opinion/mood of a city or club...if for example roeder had only signed freddy eastwood for 500,00 in the summer there'd have been a near riot, same for some unknown defender number four (b) - about the manager being right and the fans wrong with only one striker available for the season do you really think it was a work of genius to target a striker when a club legend was retiring and needed replacing? and do you think all the fans on these boards would have been happy if he'd signed 5 defenders and started the season with shola on his own and no backup? get a grip number five - rossi is on loan, we didn't sign him he'll be gone in a month or so, and sibierski is an attacking midfielders so we actually "signed" one striker i'll reiterate - roeder made an almighty fucken mess of the transfer window - he succeeded in strengthening neither attack nor defence yet allowed the squad to diminish and be weakened as whole...i'm not suggesting it was all his fault, it stunk of the fat mans involment, which takes me back to us needing the type of character managing the team who could stand up and be counted, not telling us at the start of the summer he was happy to start the season with what he had then bemoan the size of his squad when the shit hit the fan how "soon" we get that man will probably determine our immediate and long-term future as a club

Back that up please. In what way is Roeder is the "anti-Souness"? If he is, then surely he must be the best manager the world has ever seen? I think it's ironic how some people (not just you) will complain about the board sacking managers too often or at the "wrong" time, yet are desparate to get rid of Roeder after a 12 game bad run without any different managers (that most would deem acceptable) being available now than there were at the end of last season. he's the anti-souness in the sense that he isn't fractious or confrontational and personality-wise was totally different to souness who moaned about curses and so forth when roeder never does, read bewteen the lines man i'm not advocating getting rid of roeder NOW, not at all, but we all know that unless he turns it around quickly he's going - lets not kid ourselves eh? riddle me this batman, when roeder took over we were short in all areas except wingers....he had a 15m transfer budget apparently and bought with it another winger and an untried striker we are now in the position where we have no full backs worthy of the name and no strikers - a GOOD manager would have identified targets WITHIN his budget and got them rather than pandering to the desires of the fans for an expensive show pony signing so if we are in this position in a month/2 months through lack of goals and having the knack of conceding them at home, PLEASE tell me why this manager should not be sacked oh, and what clubs would put up with a 12 game run like we've had? charlton have just sacked their manager The possible takeover is the only thing keeping Roeder in a job IMO. highly, highly likely - i also think the fat man has reached the end of his sacking run....i mean which excuse does he wheel out this time? he's got nowhere to go having petitioned the league for them to let him have roeder and stcked himself on it, if he sacks the guy surely he's tacitly telling eveyone he's blown it?

i'm not suggesting he will buy his contract out, just that we need to be careful as club after burning money for 2 years on this guy - alls i'm saying is that there are options for him to walk for nothing if we don't keep an eye on it

if his departure from liverpool tells us anything it's that his ambition far outweighs his image concerns he only came to us to get in the world cup squad, that much was obvious

Back that up please. In what way is Roeder is the "anti-Souness"? If he is, then surely he must be the best manager the world has ever seen? I think it's ironic how some people (not just you) will complain about the board sacking managers too often or at the "wrong" time, yet are desparate to get rid of Roeder after a 12 game bad run without any different managers (that most would deem acceptable) being available now than there were at the end of last season. he's the anti-souness in the sense that he isn't fractious or confrontational and personality-wise was totally different to souness who moaned about curses and so forth when roeder never does, read bewteen the lines man i'm not advocating getting rid of roeder NOW, not at all, but we all know that unless he turns it around quickly he's going - lets not kid ourselves eh? riddle me this batman, when roeder took over we were short in all areas except wingers....he had a 15m transfer budget apparently and bought with it another winger and an untried striker we are now in the position where we have no full backs worthy of the name and no strikers - a GOOD manager would have identified targets WITHIN his budget and got them rather than pandering to the desires of the fans for an expensive show pony signing so if we are in this position in a month/2 months through lack of goals and having the knack of conceding them at home, PLEASE tell me why this manager should not be sacked oh, and what clubs would put up with a 12 game run like we've had? charlton have just sacked their manager

exactly - i have no idea who the hell whittaker is but as a fan of a football club you have to hope the people in charge of your club do - i've lost ALL confidence we even bother trying to find out about young up and comers never mind scout them isn't moore basically pressley? 32+ and a decent player in scotland? not sure we need another one

potentially? i'm no expert but owen is 26/7 now i think, so there's a chance he could hit that age or just sit his contract out - either of which would be an utter disgrace I thought they were both the same!!

earlier on i mentioned bridge as the possible exception to the types of players we're talking about on these boards....so granted can you name me another potential loanee (given the pigs arse we've made of rossi) who you feel would be motivated and/or better than ramage & taylor? same goes for a reasonably priced signing(s) for that matter 'cause the likes of upson and distin would cost us