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Im not sure that Mourihno had to hand in a CV!! Surely not, if Hiddink turned down the England job on the basis that they wanted to interview, i cant imagine Mourhin being too chuffed at having his CV scrutinized along with Mike Baldwin. That is a ridiculous statement.

Does anyone else think that Mourihno has a clasue saying he cant manage antoher top 4 club this season. Surely Chelsea couldnt insert a clause basically banning him from a league for an entire year, thats effectively what that clasue would do.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article682592.ece

 

SIR JOHN HALL claims Newcastle fans never wanted Portsmouth manager Harry Redknapp.

 

And the ex-owner and club chairman believes the Toon should court former Liverpool boss Gerard Houllier instead.

 

He said: “I am pleased that Harry has dropped out.

 

“None of the fans I have spoken to were behind him. They did not feel he was any better than Sam.

 

“I have a high regard for Gerard Houllier and he could do a job at Newcastle. He did well at Lyon.”

 

And Hall poured cold water on a potential partnership between Geordie icons Kevin Keegan and Alan Shearer.

 

He added: “Alan is the most dedicated professional I have ever met.

 

“He will probably be a tremendous manager but I do not think he would be prepared to come in yet.

 

“Kevin has maybe had his time in football and is now doing other things.”

 

Hall is confident owner Mike Ashley and chairman Chris Mort can turn things around, even if he did not support the decision to sack Sam Allardyce.

 

He added: “I have a certain sympathy for Mike Ashley and Chris Mort.

 

“Ashley and his team are dedicated to the club. He has just come into the game and it takes time to get into the passion of the club.

 

“However I cannot understand the timing of Allardyce’s departure. I would have let him stay until the end of the season.

 

“The players let Allardyce down. The displays has been abysmal - probably some of the worst I have seen in 20 years.”

 

Agree, word for word.

Though he does go on to say Robert Martinez of Swansea would be an ideal candidate....

The only thing that would worry me is the football he plays, am i'm not too sure what its like.

 

Everyone says he like to play attacking football, but whenever i've seen a BB match under Hughes they've been boring, unimaginative encounters, very similar to Allardyce here.

 

I'm not saying that's how it is, just thats all i've seen, i must be unlucky to catch the crap ones.

I get that impression tbh.

 

You just want a foreign manager cos' it looks good  :parky:

Do they play passing,attacking football though?

I think that it'll be intimated to him that attacking football is important. I can imagine Ashley saying that he would be more than happy to buy attacking players.

I know this sounds stupid, but it makes me beleive that that story about us enquiring about Ronaldihno might not of been tabloid bollocks.

This guy is earmarked for the Man United job-short term appointment -not for us please.

Him or Keane. Thinkit'll be foreign though. they sounded out candidates like Hitzfeld and Capello when Fergie was retiring, cant see much changing now these kids are on the blocks, after all , neither of them will ever ever prove anything in the EPL.

Nobody's going to fit that particular bill. You can't please all the people all the time, etc. But in this case, we're talking about the need to win over the fans, them clearly NO, Mark Hughes isn't the right man for us.

 

I just see him as a steady pair of hands.

Absolutely no doubt, i agree that he would be a safe pair of hands, but i think there are other managers out there who would inspire us more, the obvious ones, whether we'd be able to them is a different matter. Failing that it'll be Shearer and Keegan....

I just think that this club wont get itself out the doldrums until there is someone (skillful or less  skillful) who will inspire fans. Thats why people are ok with Shearer being considered espite having no experience as well as Keegan, but not someone like Redkanpp or Strachan etc....

To be blunt, Hughes could actually be just what we need at this point in time. Someone who can get performances from difficult players, like McCarthy, Savage etc could be just the ticket right now. He's also proven his mettle in signing some class players in recent windows, and has a track record of rectifying the mistakes made by Souness. So he could be just what we need. Not a glamour signing like Jose would be, but a good, solid, strong leader with the right temperament to weather some stormy times.

Would he fit in line with Ashleys attacking football criteria?

I just think the most important thing about this appointment is how it inspires the fans, it has to be one where the fans will be 100% behind him from the start, i just dont see Hughes being able to get all the fans on his side. Which would be the single biggest problem. He'd be a dead man walking if you ask me.  

Not really thought about it but its clear Hughes is interested and basically the job is his for the taking unless he has an Redkanpp style epithany. Morts said they've spoken to other candidates and if hughes hasnt been contacted already then why would he not just rule himself out the job knowing that we wouldnt be intersted.

Am gonna pray that he does have a Redknapp moment because that will force Morts hand to go foreign, i cant see Hughes inspiring the fans to behonest it has disaster written all over this one. After Hughes there surely cant be anyone in Britain bar Shearer and Keegan.

My Blackburn loving workmate said this would happen. I still hope it doesn't, because nothing we've ever taken on from Blackburn has ever worked out well for us, tbh.

Given done good as well...

Anyone just seen the MOTD2 odds for next manager, only Houllier and Mourhino who stood out out of about 12 cadidates which included Bruce....

If its Hughes, then its not all bad.

 

It won't be the huge lift i wanted, but he's proven to me at least he's a competent manager, but then again i thought that about Allardyce.

 

The only way any manager here will succeed, and right now succeeding is staying over 2 years, is if that manager is backed financially. End of the day it really doesn't matter too much right now who the man is compared to how much financial clout he's going to get. If Wenger came in and only had £10m to spend for next summer compared to McClaren coming in and being given £50m this window, the latter will of course come out on top. Maybe in a couple of years the talent of Wenger would catch up, but really in the current climate he wouldn't get that long.

 

So someone like Hughes with good to very good financial backing from the board is going to be a good thing for the club, better than Allardyce having to prove himself for the spends, which he failed miserably.

 

 

 

 

We really need to invest in the first 11.

 

Btw I'm 90% certain it is Hughes.

What makes you say that?

the wait is killing me....i know that good times are just round the corner....

I wish they would appoint someone, im gettin so impatient. I wanna be inspired. Want someone i really can get behind, although not literally! 

Can anyone think of a reason why he might not want a big manager?

 

I mean it's pretty scary to offer £5m or whatever for someone like Nappy?

 

Nappy looks to have been the first choice.

My theory is that the big managers out there are foreign and therefore have long names which are hard to spell, therefore making the plaque on the managers office door more expensive as there are more letters to pay for. 

Just out of interest, mort has said that they have identified an spoken to other candidates about the position. Now if this is the case and is to be taken literally, then doesnt mean that that would be an official apporoach if he was in club management. Surely some club mole or source would of given the media a clue if there manager had been approached.

Could that possbily mean that we are talking to candidates who arent in employement or arent with a club, maybe a coutry?

Of course hes not going to accept any blame. He wasnt backed by his chairman, so why should he be blamed for the team being s***? I

 

50m quid = no backing  mackems.gif

 

Buying what you want for other people isn't backing them, particularly when it's done to massage your own overinflated ego.

 

only a mug or a liar would put up with being treated like that, he doesn't need the money, and as i said, could have kicked up a stink and got himself sacked for it if he was so principled.

 

50m quid is 50m quid. End of. And nobody told him to sell Bellamy and Robert for a total of 4m quid. No mention of Boumsong or Faye, I see.

 

 

 

At the end of the day FS (or FFS, whichever you prefer) took over as Chairman of an improving club in a climate that was God-given to further improve it. He didn't do that; he was inept in his recruitment (including that of Souness, the man you so deride for lacking the qualities FS recruited him for). The only man who was a success was dismissed by FS in a particularly craven and disreputable way. I will forever shudder at the memory of his pose in the programme; it spoke a thousand words. He was a chairman of a well supported club in the Sky era that had been brought back from the brink by two men of vision. And he f***** it up.

 

this has been said before. If you seriously think that one man was solely responsible for the appointment of a s*** manager .......

 

And the major shareholders with millions of pounds of shares in the club, took no part in it........

 

Shame people like you NEVER mention that they weren't "inept" when playing in the Champions League, Europe more than every club bar 4, and 2 FA Cup Finals.

 

Also, it has been said before that "the 2 men of vision" you have in mind being Keegan and Sir John Hall. Well, it wasn't Sir John Halls idea to appoint Keegan, it was Hall Jnr, Shepherd and Fletcher. They had to persuade him, and in the end outvoted him. This is in Keegans book. 

 

It doesn't suit your "opinion" to accept that all of the managers were selected by virtue of a board majority though does it ?

 

 

 

Well look, you have to shore up your argument with evidence that is uncontrovertible purely on the basis that it's some sort of inside information. How do you know how the voting went and who voted in which particular way?

 

The facts that we can all know speak for themselves. The rest of us deal only in those facts.

 

Of course chairmen make recommendations to boards. As a major shareholder himself FS' opinion would have been compelling; surely you recognise this?

 

I don't mention European competition and cup finals because a large part of my argument (see above) is predicated upon the fact that such successes were unavoidable for our club, given the nature  of modern football.

 

What about the sacking of SBR? Do you accept this was a craven act? That is the quality of your man and he is your man.

 

What ? Are you saying that we had a God given right to qualify for the Champs League and play in 2 Cup Finals to the extent you can't give credit to anyone ?

 

What about the sacking of SBR ? He should have been sacked earlier. And ........ nobody is "my man". I just recognise the old board did some things quite well. Nobody qualifies more for europe more than everybody but 4 clubs unless they are doing something right.

 

Never ceases to make me smile, the amount of people who think our last decade has been a "disaster", despite having it patiently explained to them how far forward we moved as a club under the Halls and Shepherd. Amazing.

 

 

 

Don't prop up your failing argument by reference to the Halls. I place Douglas and Freddy in the same category. SJH is another matter entirely.

 

When did FS take over?

 

When was he sacked?

 

How did he take the club from Champions League to Premiership also-rans in that time?

 

to pinch an idea from Chez Given

 

SJH "hows it going then Fred"

 

FS "OK johnny, i want to change the manager though"

 

SJH "ok"

 

FS "do you have any ideas then "

 

SJH "nah just go along and do what you want Freddie son"

 

FS "but don't you want to know whats going on and talk about who we all need to get in ? What about the money you've got tied up in the club "

 

SJH "oh, you mean all those millions ? Don't worry about it Freddie, just go and appoint who you want man"

 

Hilarious, if you really believe it like

 

 

 

This FS character sounds like a nice, well thought out chap!

Of course hes not going to accept any blame. He wasnt backed by his chairman, so why should he be blamed for the team being s***? I

 

50m quid = no backing  mackems.gif

 

Buying what you want for other people isn't backing them, particularly when it's done to massage your own overinflated ego.

 

only a mug or a liar would put up with being treated like that, he doesn't need the money, and as i said, could have kicked up a stink and got himself sacked for it if he was so principled.

 

50m quid is 50m quid. End of. And nobody told him to sell Bellamy and Robert for a total of 4m quid. No mention of Boumsong or Faye, I see.

 

 

 

At the end of the day FS (or FFS, whichever you prefer) took over as Chairman of an improving club in a climate that was God-given to further improve it. He didn't do that; he was inept in his recruitment (including that of Souness, the man you so deride for lacking the qualities FS recruited him for). The only man who was a success was dismissed by FS in a particularly craven and disreputable way. I will forever shudder at the memory of his pose in the programme; it spoke a thousand words. He was a chairman of a well supported club in the Sky era that had been brought back from the brink by two men of vision. And he f***** it up.

 

this has been said before. If you seriously think that one man was solely responsible for the appointment of a s*** manager .......

 

And the major shareholders with millions of pounds of shares in the club, took no part in it........

 

Shame people like you NEVER mention that they weren't "inept" when playing in the Champions League, Europe more than every club bar 4, and 2 FA Cup Finals.

 

Also, it has been said before that "the 2 men of vision" you have in mind being Keegan and Sir John Hall. Well, it wasn't Sir John Halls idea to appoint Keegan, it was Hall Jnr, Shepherd and Fletcher. They had to persuade him, and in the end outvoted him. This is in Keegans book. 

 

It doesn't suit your "opinion" to accept that all of the managers were selected by virtue of a board majority though does it ?

 

 

 

I see you've fine tuned your "most time in europe stat". So you can teach an old dog new tricks!  

 

no its exactly the same, and I'm still waiting for you to "blow it out of the water"

 

 

In your world it means prove it wrong, in my world (reality) it means puting some well needed perspective on it, perspective which stops it completely being used in the context that you use.

Anyway, to summarize...

Souness wasn't a great choice as manager, but what he's said here is constructive and sensible. The bit about Shepherd interfering in transfer choices isn't exactly news, but hopefully it's a useful warning to Ashley.

 

 

Astonishing that people are now defending Souness

 

 

Nobodies defending Souness, no ones saying, crikey, maybe he could of done a good job. People are well aware of his disruptive nature and poor managment skills but the fact that him as well as SBR have both come out and said similar things about the chairmen suggest that something may not have been all good at the club.

How can you not acknowlede that, how many managers can thrive with that much interfering??

Of course hes not going to accept any blame. He wasnt backed by his chairman, so why should he be blamed for the team being s***? I

 

50m quid = no backing  mackems.gif

 

Buying what you want for other people isn't backing them, particularly when it's done to massage your own overinflated ego.

 

only a mug or a liar would put up with being treated like that, he doesn't need the money, and as i said, could have kicked up a stink and got himself sacked for it if he was so principled.

 

50m quid is 50m quid. End of. And nobody told him to sell Bellamy and Robert for a total of 4m quid. No mention of Boumsong or Faye, I see.

 

 

 

At the end of the day FS (or FFS, whichever you prefer) took over as Chairman of an improving club in a climate that was God-given to further improve it. He didn't do that; he was inept in his recruitment (including that of Souness, the man you so deride for lacking the qualities FS recruited him for). The only man who was a success was dismissed by FS in a particularly craven and disreputable way. I will forever shudder at the memory of his pose in the programme; it spoke a thousand words. He was a chairman of a well supported club in the Sky era that had been brought back from the brink by two men of vision. And he f***** it up.

 

this has been said before. If you seriously think that one man was solely responsible for the appointment of a s*** manager .......

 

And the major shareholders with millions of pounds of shares in the club, took no part in it........

 

Shame people like you NEVER mention that they weren't "inept" when playing in the Champions League, Europe more than every club bar 4, and 2 FA Cup Finals.

 

Also, it has been said before that "the 2 men of vision" you have in mind being Keegan and Sir John Hall. Well, it wasn't Sir John Halls idea to appoint Keegan, it was Hall Jnr, Shepherd and Fletcher. They had to persuade him, and in the end outvoted him. This is in Keegans book. 

 

It doesn't suit your "opinion" to accept that all of the managers were selected by virtue of a board majority though does it ?

 

 

 

Well look, you have to shore up your argument with evidence that is uncontrovertible purely on the basis that it's some sort of inside information. How do you know how the voting went and who voted in which particular way?

 

The facts that we can all know speak for themselves. The rest of us deal only in those facts.

 

Of course chairmen make recommendations to boards. As a major shareholder himself FS' opinion would have been compelling; surely you recognise this?

 

I don't mention European competition and cup finals because a large part of my argument (see above) is predicated upon the fact that such successes were unavoidable for our club, given the nature  of modern football.

 

What about the sacking of SBR? Do you accept this was a craven act? That is the quality of your man and he is your man.

 

What ? Are you saying that we had a God given right to qualify for the Champs League and play in 2 Cup Finals to the extent you can't give credit to anyone ?

 

What about the sacking of SBR ? He should have been sacked earlier. And ........ nobody is "my man". I just recognise the old board did some things quite well. Nobody qualifies more for europe more than everybody but 4 clubs unless they are doing something right.

 

Never ceases to make me smile, the amount of people who think our last decade has been a "disaster", despite having it patiently explained to them how far forward we moved as a club under the Halls and Shepherd. Amazing.

 

 

Maybe not! 

Of course hes not going to accept any blame. He wasnt backed by his chairman, so why should he be blamed for the team being s***? I

 

50m quid = no backing  mackems.gif

 

Buying what you want for other people isn't backing them, particularly when it's done to massage your own overinflated ego.

 

only a mug or a liar would put up with being treated like that, he doesn't need the money, and as i said, could have kicked up a stink and got himself sacked for it if he was so principled.

 

50m quid is 50m quid. End of. And nobody told him to sell Bellamy and Robert for a total of 4m quid. No mention of Boumsong or Faye, I see.

 

 

 

At the end of the day FS (or FFS, whichever you prefer) took over as Chairman of an improving club in a climate that was God-given to further improve it. He didn't do that; he was inept in his recruitment (including that of Souness, the man you so deride for lacking the qualities FS recruited him for). The only man who was a success was dismissed by FS in a particularly craven and disreputable way. I will forever shudder at the memory of his pose in the programme; it spoke a thousand words. He was a chairman of a well supported club in the Sky era that had been brought back from the brink by two men of vision. And he f***** it up.

 

this has been said before. If you seriously think that one man was solely responsible for the appointment of a s*** manager .......

 

And the major shareholders with millions of pounds of shares in the club, took no part in it........

 

Shame people like you NEVER mention that they weren't "inept" when playing in the Champions League, Europe more than every club bar 4, and 2 FA Cup Finals.

 

Also, it has been said before that "the 2 men of vision" you have in mind being Keegan and Sir John Hall. Well, it wasn't Sir John Halls idea to appoint Keegan, it was Hall Jnr, Shepherd and Fletcher. They had to persuade him, and in the end outvoted him. This is in Keegans book. 

 

It doesn't suit your "opinion" to accept that all of the managers were selected by virtue of a board majority though does it ?

 

 

I see you've fine tuned your "most time in europe stat". So you can teach an old dog new tricks!  

In the end of the day, the only important thing in that interview was that Souness said that him, Robson and Gullit would all contact any Newcastle managerial target and tell them how good the job is, especially now Shepherd has gone.

 

The club needs a good reference from some people now, and fair play to them if they are willing to go out of their way and do so.

 

Lets see now. Dalglish, Gullit, Robson and Souness himself were all attracted to the club. So what exactly is Souness' point here ?

 

Surely he can't be stupid enough to be attracted to an unattractive club could he ?

 

What a moron he is, but I didn't expect people to actually defend him for anything

 

 

 

All I'm saying is that it is good that despite being sacked/being unpopular/not getting the best treatment (tick as applicable), it can only be good for us that former managers are willing to put in a good word for us if individuals are undecided.

 

I agree with that. I'd rather Souness was prepared to accept a rather large chunk of blame himself for the mess he made though.

 

 

 

In the end of the day, thats history. We may have been shaped by the past, but looking back at what has happenned over the years isn't going to shape us for the future.

 

Look. Its nothing to do with looking back. Souness is unable to take any blame for the complete mess he made of the job.

 

He lied about Craig Bellamy, and he has a history of being involved in these sort of confronations, and always blames the other guy.

 

If you want to look forward, I will say that results prove the last board did some major things quite well, and the way forward is to carry on doing these things rather just instantly dismiss everything on account of it being done by a fat b****** and his mate who went to a brothel and called us all mugs for buying 40 quid shirts.

 

I mean, who the hell pays 40 quid for a shirt ?

 

 

How much is Shepherd responsible for what happened with SBR andSouness then?

From the BBC

 

A chant of "Hughsie, Hughsie" goes up from the Blackburn fans. "Please don't go to Newcastle," they whisper under their breath.

 

It will be him in my honest opinion

 

 

SAcked within 2 years

then i expect alot of disappointed fans coz i really dont expect Shearer and Keegan

Precisely, which makes this club pretty unfixable, in my opinion without the right appointment.

Are there many honourable manaegrs out there who have quite clearly fucked up and admitted it?

While on the subject of foreign managers i wonder if the villareal manager is a possibilty

 

doing very well there and has been for a while they arent big spenders and his team play very good football

This club needs either Shearer/Keegan or a very well known successful manager to unite the fans toget them all behind the team and club. There are plenty of suitable managers out there who are doing very well with there respective clubs but arent world known or in the football main stream.

I have no doubt that we could go and appoint a very competent manager like Co Adriaanse and still not have the united backing of the fans, which at this stage is imperative fo the club.  

In the end of the day, the only important thing in that interview was that Souness said that him, Robson and Gullit would all contact any Newcastle managerial target and tell them how good the job is, especially now Shepherd has gone.

 

The club needs a good reference from some people now, and fair play to them if they are willing to go out of their way and do so.

Spot on. I cant imagine many other managers saying the same about any other club in the premiership outisde the top 4. If respectively seapking they were treated the saem way we treated them. It speaks volume about the potential and passion that this club ha.