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Aye that's worked out terribly

We're probably one of the least disliked of the clubs that have been in the PL the most

"The World Trade Organisation has ruled that Saudi Arabia was behind a pirate satellite TV and streaming service that illegally broadcast sporting events" But they haven't though, have they? They've established that Saudi Arabia didn't do enough to stop it, not that SA was behind the illegal broadcasts. The same people would be complaining if the Saudis had caught those behind beoutQ and chopped their arms off (or whatever they do to pirates over there). Can't win. but the premier league wouldn't give half a s*** and would have rubber stamped the takeover months ago You don’t want this takeover to go through do you, now you’re straw clutching. quite frankly I would rather almost anyone else be trying to buy the club preferably someone without one of the worst human rights records in the world Careful now with that sensible opinion. Sensible? To see the club destroyed for 12 years and then think "whey I'm not sure I like these new owners lets wait it out and see if better come along". It's obviously a very sensible opinion. In a rational world people dying due to a horrendous regime "should" be more important than a football club. However, sport and football especially is tribal and is more important than anything else to a lot of people so it is also understandable that people will care more about that than human rights issues in a faraway country From my perspective the club isn't worth supporting under Mike Ashley. That's why I don't see it as a option to take or leave any change of ownership. If I could choose the owners, I'd choose just Stavely and the Ruebens alone, even if it meant a club that wasn't super rich and just slowly built competitively, but I can't choose. I'm not going to entertain the fantasy that we can just turn down a takeover and along will come another. That's fine but it's also sensible if other people disagree with that

"The World Trade Organisation has ruled that Saudi Arabia was behind a pirate satellite TV and streaming service that illegally broadcast sporting events" But they haven't though, have they? They've established that Saudi Arabia didn't do enough to stop it, not that SA was behind the illegal broadcasts. The same people would be complaining if the Saudis had caught those behind beoutQ and chopped their arms off (or whatever they do to pirates over there). Can't win. but the premier league wouldn't give half a s*** and would have rubber stamped the takeover months ago You don’t want this takeover to go through do you, now you’re straw clutching. quite frankly I would rather almost anyone else be trying to buy the club preferably someone without one of the worst human rights records in the world Careful now with that sensible opinion. Sensible? To see the club destroyed for 12 years and then think "whey I'm not sure I like these new owners lets wait it out and see if better come along". It's obviously a very sensible opinion. In a rational world people dying due to a horrendous regime "should" be more important than a football club. However, sport and football especially is tribal and is more important than anything else to a lot of people so it is also understandable that people will care more about that than human rights issues in a faraway country

Thought it meant 'of the clan' It's actually Mc in Ireland, Mac in scotland I think Sorry haven't looked in this thread in weeks and this is completely irrelevant to what's going on now but just to be clear, Mac is Irish for "son of" but Mac in an Irish name doesn't always translate to a Mc name in English. For example, the name Fitzgerald in Irish is "Mac Gearailt" which directly translates to "son of Gerald"

"But piracy in a world where its rampant and the main opposition to it in this takeover's case is KSA's biggest rival smells like pure trash to me" "I hope PIF focus all their efforts at building a team to beat PSG in Europe" You literally wrote those sentences, I wasn't inferring anything Which still has nothing to do with "supporting Saudi Arabia in their battle against Qatar" So what is the PSG comment about then? Clearly a Saudi vs. Qatar reference From a football point of view yeah. Anything else and you're doing exactly what he's saying you're doing, putting words in his mouth. But I don't think it should be about Saudi Arabia trying to be better than Qatar at running a football club for fans. It should be about making Newcastle as good as possible How do you think that will happen if the deal falls through? Or does as good as possible just mean fairly shit in your world? I'm not talking about the deal falling through. If Saudi Arabia take over, it should be about being as good as possible. Fans getting involved in some rivalry against PSG would be cringeworthy

"But piracy in a world where its rampant and the main opposition to it in this takeover's case is KSA's biggest rival smells like pure trash to me" "I hope PIF focus all their efforts at building a team to beat PSG in Europe" You literally wrote those sentences, I wasn't inferring anything Which still has nothing to do with "supporting Saudi Arabia in their battle against Qatar" So what is the PSG comment about then? Clearly a Saudi vs. Qatar reference From a football point of view yeah. Anything else and you're doing exactly what he's saying you're doing, putting words in his mouth. But I don't think it should be about Saudi Arabia trying to be better than Qatar at running a football club for fans. It should be about making Newcastle as good as possible

"But piracy in a world where its rampant and the main opposition to it in this takeover's case is KSA's biggest rival smells like pure trash to me" "I hope PIF focus all their efforts at building a team to beat PSG in Europe" You literally wrote those sentences, I wasn't inferring anything Which still has nothing to do with "supporting Saudi Arabia in their battle against Qatar" So what is the PSG comment about then? Clearly a Saudi vs. Qatar reference

"But piracy in a world where its rampant and the main opposition to it in this takeover's case is KSA's biggest rival smells like pure trash to me" "I hope PIF focus all their efforts at building a team to beat PSG in Europe" You literally wrote those sentences, I wasn't inferring anything

Well obviously the main opposition to the piracy is from the country that they are stealing from The PSG comment is just grim IMO, support the new regime all you want and want the club to do as well as possible but when you start saying things like that its like you're supporting Saudi Arabia in their battle against Qatar rather than Newcastle United. Don’t twist my words around to fit your agenda my friend. I’ve never done that to you and ask you show similar respect. “Grim” ffs. How did I twist your words? You wrote them

Well obviously the main opposition to the piracy is from the country that they are stealing from The PSG comment is just grim IMO, support the new regime all you want and want the club to do as well as possible but when you start saying things like that its like you're supporting Saudi Arabia in their battle against Qatar rather than Newcastle United.

If there was a squeaky clean billionaire, or sovereign state, out there then I highly doubt that we'd be the ones to find them. States should absolutely not be allowed to own football clubs

He didn't actually say that though did he? It did in the tweet I read. Link?

He didn't actually say that though did he?

Probably not but it's just varying degrees of evil. It was also 80 years ago

Agreed, he can't have the upside of all of the increased profile, clicks/exposure for his employers etc etc and then act a c*** and not recieve any of the negative too. Not the way things work tbh. Deserves all the stick he gets imho, same with that prick Luke Edwards who makes a point of taking the alternative view on almost everything NUFC just because standing out is is schtick. Pair of w*****s. Its quite funny because sports journalists in the US don't f***ing wind up for the sake of it these days...it's all about uniting fanbases and people. It's about the bigger picture today - which is recovering from COVID-19 and Civil rights. Meanwhile Delaney makes his train comment. f***ing insane. Did I miss something like? What's so bad about the train comment? Do atrocities committed in Western Europe matter more than atrocities committed in the Middle East or something?

I don't think he's winding up fans for the sake of it like. He's just very opinionated and a bit weird. Was listening to him on Second Captains today (he wasn't talking about Newcastle generally) and he made an interesting point I thought that the Premier League is going to have Black Lives Matter on the back of the shirts while one and soon to be two of their clubs are owned by states like UAE and Saudi which is a bit hypocritical

Would you? Also don't know why people are so upset about the comparison, its just varying degrees of evil

Not disputing his general point, just the way he goes on; blocking fans that try and have a civil debate about it, blocking Man City fans for doing the same thing. His most stuff mentioning Hitler is quasi invoking Godwin's law. The way some of our lot have also went on is embarrassing mind, like digging up old FB posts and tweets and all that. Tbh I don't really look at his social media anymore outside of what is posted on here so not up to date on what he's blocking people for. The Hitler comparison I think is fair enough when someone tags him in that post. Every terrible dictator will have done some things which helped people at some stage, doing one good act doesn't change what else you've done. This isn't a Newcastle agenda thing either, he's been getting into lengthy recurring arguments with people on Twitter for as long as I can remember and he can't let things go.

He's an idiot for getting into/inciting arguments with fans on Twitter but his general point is correct and he's been consistent with criticising Man City loads in the past as well

I'm not even sure what the good part is meant to be

Floppy haired Messi

hadn't realised Ashley had killed a man or ran an illegal streaming service. Neither have the PIF directors, the Reubens, or Staveley. Although Amanada is up in court so count vouch 100% for her, but I don't think she has. PIF directors have absolutely killed thousands of people If that's the case, then surely the PL officials would have ruled them unsuitable owners and directors straight off the bat. Well it is the case, but the PL probably don't really care about that, they clearly do care that Saudi Arabia has been stealing their product from them. They have their priorities right then. Their remit is to run the football league, not override our govt and decide who is and isn't personally responsible for deaths of thousands. Trump and Boris to this day haven't fingered MBS personally, far as I know he blew it off with some bull about bodyguards acting without his permission and Trump and Boris lapped it up readily. In fact wouldn't surprise me if they didn't suggest it in a memo. Ok so let's just go through what you've said here: 1. PIF directors haven't killed anyone 2. Well if they had killed anyone then the PL would have dismissed their case straight away. 3. The PL don't care about them killing people, they have their priorities right All of them are right actually. Because if MBS is the name you are going to put to it, he hasn't actually killed anyone. Someone else might have done it on his behest, but that's not for the PL to decide, so they have got their priorities right. How are they right? Number 2 and 3 contradict each other Did Hitler not kill anyone either then? All that has been answered in the post you replied to. The only new point you brought up was Hitler, and the decision was taken at govt level that he was a murderer and that is why all sporting relations were stopped with Germany. If you want to draw a comparison, we've just had a govt directive which appears to support the investment from the Saudis in NUFC. Does that mean we are aiding and abetting a murderous regime right at the very top level? Yes it does Then it must be ok. Do you agree with everything the British government do?

hadn't realised Ashley had killed a man or ran an illegal streaming service. Neither have the PIF directors, the Reubens, or Staveley. Although Amanada is up in court so count vouch 100% for her, but I don't think she has. PIF directors have absolutely killed thousands of people So have our government. Willfully, in just the last 4 months. Difference is, our government have killed tens of thousands of completely innocent people just to save their mates in the city done money. The Saudis probably didn't deserve to die, but unlike those killed by Boris, at least the people killed in Saudi had probably done something they shouldn't have done. And there were way fewer of them over a much longer period. Err nah, the Saudis have also bombed thousands of innocent people in Yemen. What a weird justification as well for those executed by the Saudis saying that they probably done something they shouldn't have done. Also as has been stated roughly 20,000 times since this thread started the British government aren't buying a football club