Kid Icarus

Around 1200 contributed, that's canny good going considering anything above 200 is usually representative providing there's nothing dodgy going on. 

If Spurs lose at the weekend it's comfortably the most Spurs thing that's ever happened. Sheff United winning is nigh on inconceivable 

I normally hate Man City winning the title but fair play to the online Arsenal fans, they gave me a reason to prefer it.

Predominantly Gen X. 

5 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Aye, they sit in the east stand.

That poll would suggest otherwise like, but I get that it's annoying being in the minority.

I reckon it's a good idea to at least have the curiosity to think on the reasons why our city or our country being financially reliant on a state like Saudi Arabia might not be the best idea in the long run like. There's a pretty good example of what that leads to going on right now as well.

4 minutes ago, Ben said:

I do

Well that's it settled then.

1 hour ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

I think we need to help people understand that we're not going to be leaving SJP for a bigger version of The Riverside or St Mary's. It will literally be one of the greatest football stadiums in the world, built with an effectively unlimited budget, potentially invigorating a dead area of the town.

 

Why would you not want that 

Because not everyone wants that.

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

My preference would be to stay at SJP - if SJP could be redeveloped to bring it up to modern standards and could be expanded enough to make it worthwhile.   I’m surprised they didn’t get 100% ‘stay at SJP’ given the way the question was presented.  It’s how I would have voted - and I’m one of those who think that the best option would ultimately be to move. 

 

But the question was disingenuous.  Pollsters and psephologists know that how a question is worded is vital - it’s why they tend to be careful in their phrasing. 

Disingenuous man Don't be daft. 

If the 3rd kit colours were based on the Juve 3rd kit template

and based on the Man United 3rd kit template

23 minutes ago, Harry 209 said:

Arsenal get a long-sleeved version of their new kit. I'm hoping we get the same. 

19 minutes ago, midds said:

Long sleeves just make everything better

3 minutes ago, BoSelecta said:

Not at all. I’m no apologist for the Saudis but I can also remark on how privileged and blinkered you have to be to see Newcastle Council trying to feed kids in poverty through a connection with the club and your reaction to that is ‘I’m concerned with the councils relationship with the Saudi regime’.

 

edit. Grammar 

The point is that the argument you're making now is how they get you. It's almost a check mate because it's very difficult to say you don't want your council to have close ties with Saudi Arabia for obvious reasons without it being met with the 'privileged' and 'blinkered' response. And that's exactly why they and tons of other organisations and states do it, so that they can make that argument or have it made on their behalf while they're essentially buying influence.

In reality though, it's a false premise based on the assumption that kids can only be fed if councils go cap in hand to the Saudis, which is obviously not true. 

8 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Yep. Any solution which means we can't build a stadium which can bring in the same income as the Emirates or Spurs new ground means we'll always be at a permanent disadvantage. I'm just not sure how we can turn St James into a multi-event site such as those given the building restrictions, but if it can be done, happy days. Otherwise we should really move if there is any options out there which can seriously be considered.

This is really a bit of a false premise like. I totally accept the argument about capacity or 'making every penny count' or whatever, but the idea that it's either a permanent disadvantage or a disadvantage that's significant or a true difference maker just doesn't add up. 

12 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

That's a massive oversimplification in my opinion.

 

I mean, if you asked me which of those three options I'd prefer I'd say "Renovated SJP", but that's based on the hope/assumption that we would be able to build a world-class stadium on the current site. What if we couldn't? What if the limit was another 8k seats on the Gallowgate and that's it? Then I'd probably rather move. 

 

Unless you specify what "Renovated" actually is, it's a really poorly worded question/choice of options. Perhaps that is/was intentional on behalf of the Trust, perhaps not.

I really don't see how it is tbh, any hope/assumption or any other caveats you want to throw in there is covered by, not excluded by, the definition of preference. And preference is how the question's worded. I agree that there could be extra clarification through an extra 'if we can't do X, Y, and Z, what is your preference?' question, but until we know what X, Y, and Z are they could be any variety of things, hypothetical and would split the vote. 

3 hours ago, BoSelecta said:

I’m sure the starving kids will sleep easy tonight, safe in the knowledge they’re not being nourished by the evil Saudis. 

and that's how they get you.

...and in anticipation of the 'that'll be because they're all/mostly season ticket holders' argument:

Imagine my shock

win-win for me. Whether he comes here or goes there indicates his intentions for me and I'll either be happy he's here or happy we dodged a bullet. 

Yeah that's really nice. I wonder if we'll be getting one of these then. 

No talking about Man United officials in the Football Room!

56 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

I guess the point of my rant above is we don't even know if it's the correct shirt yet anyway, so what's the fucking point in whinging like a set of fannies 😜

Unless adidas are spreading false information and/or Jonbez on here (his daughter plays for Newcastle) and the Gallowgate Shots lads have it wrong, we do know.

For me I think it's all the hype surrounding it, the 'elite' club status, only for it to be a standard club template and a really boring one at that. Proper zero effort. 

It's the Daily Star  The paper that publishes stories about people shagging their cars or whatever 

Counterpoint, everyone was buzzing over these

The last 2 Castore kits were met positively as well

Playing football in Japan in July.  

The players will sweat from parts of their body they didn't know they could sweat from.