PlymouthGeordie

CAT website.

PL have been granted more time to challenge jurisdiction of the CAT case. Which also confirms Liam Kennedy was guessing when he released that article saying their challenge had been rejected.

I think it means the opposite. Basically puts pressure on the PL to make it public. If they don't, it indicates they may well be hiding something.

Let's hope she's right. Although as much as he's detested, I can't understand why Edwards is continually saying the takeover won't go through if the above is true. He's close enough to Bruce by all accounts to have been given the nod by him if Bruce has information on the takeover and yet is continually shouting down the chances of it happening.

Sorry if this has been covered, but my understanding is the PL are trying to get the CAT case thrown out on the basis Arbitration covers everything raised in the CAT claim submitted by the club. However, hasn't it previously been stated Arbitration is solely related to the PIF separation issue? If that's the case, i don't understand how the CAT case could be thrown out as it covers so much more than just PIF separation.

Probably out of our reach with Ashley as owner but Martinez would be my choice. Obviously depends if he leaves Belgium after the Euros but with Jones already here he might consider it.

I think it is clear Ashley is doing everything in his power to see this through which is clearly a positive. I'm not so sure it'll force the Premier League to approve the sale like many others are though and for me it is a near certainty that Ashley will still own us come the beginning of next season and that's nothing to do with how likely we are to win arbitration or the anti-competition case, it's purely on the time frame these things are likely to take to conclude.

A nice thought but surely that would've been leaked by someone if it were the case? Never say never i guess.

It's not really semantics. Agreeing a deal i.e. exchanging contracts is completely different to purchasing. A purchase/sale is completed upon the full funds being transferred; unfortunately at no point has that happened so not at any point has the club ever been sold to PCP/PIF and it is incorrect to say otherwise. If you exchange contracts on a house and that same day your mate says "I'll come over for a beer" neither of you would be able to enjoy it in the comfort of the "new" house as it's not yours to enter because it hasn't been bought/sold. I hope arbitration is successful and fingers crossed it will be but this whole "the club has been sold" craic is beyond delusional. In house terms it is somewhere between a bid being accepted and contracts being exchanged and that isn't "sold". A better example would be a bid has been accepted but the surveyor has found some big issues that need fixing before it can even get to the serious stage.

Yeah they've been tagged in the post rather than actually liking it. No harm done (although you did get my hopes up temporarily).

We really should be safe but we're also likely to lose our next 2 games and Fulham have 2 "winnable" fixtures so they do have an opportunity to put pressure on us (and Burnley).

None of them have liked it.

It is such a non story. Luke has written Bruce has no intention of quitting and the club has no interest or desire to sack him. If both of those points are true (they appear to be given he's still in the job) then why the hell would they all spend the day having "frantic meetings"?

Agreed. Hopefully @Ando7 is on the money again as he is with his team news but can't help but think Craig Hope would've been all over the fact Bruce didn't even turn up for training.

Whenever I do it, it always ends up going to the last game of the season. We basically need to beat Sheffield Utd and one of West Ham or Arsenal at home or Burnley away. If we win 2 games ahead of the Fulham game it'll be in our hands. Albeit we'd need to avoid defeat on the final day to stay up. Villa vs Fulham is a big one after the international break. If Fulham lose that it'll be 3 defeats on the spin and any momentum they did have will be gone. Need to hope Grealish is back.

He's not going anywhere. The club briefed every news outlet this morning confirming he still has their backing and Bruce has said time and again he won't resign.

Well that’s a s*** idea in a global pandemic. There have been BLM protests, Sarah Everard protests etc, Whitty and Valance have confirmed these don't spread the virus as outdoor transmission is barely a thing.

Fans should organise a protest at the ground to make life as uncomfortable as possible for him whilst he's still in charge.

Really does depend on injuries for me. Bruce has been awful for the most part but it can't be disputed that with Miggy, ASM and Wilson in the "new" formation we were beginning to look like a competent, mid table premier league team. Even if Jones was responsible for that improvement. Miggy is the biggest miss in the new system as he sets the press. As long as we either beat Villa or don't lose to Brighton we'll be in with a fighting chance after the international break with our big hitters back. It is far too early to be throwing the towel in with 11 games to go. Fulham are in great form, but after the upcoming weekend could find themselves 4 points behind us and we'd still have a game in hand on them. If Miggy, ASM and Wilson are back for the final 9 games I think we will survive. Biggest concern is Bruce's message to the players. Bigging up a point away at West Brom is horrible mediocre and I really hope behind closed doors he is making the severity of our situation clear.

How can this be proven? I ask honestly as I know nothing about legal arbitration etc. Isn't it almost like a jury where both sides will present their arguments then these 3 selected people will rule on it. But like a juror who could be a closet racist sending an innocent black man to jail for example. Can't really be proven without evidence against them, and whatever we have we obviously used in this case to have him removed and failed. Matt Slater said and I quote "these guys get very annoyed when people suggest they'll be prejudice or anything other than professional, fair and wise when they properly consider the facts of the case". So isn't that what we have just done? If he wasn't biased against us before, you can be sure he will be now Depends how you choose to view it. You're obviously intent on playing the role of devils advocate. To me, it says these guys pride themselves on being whiter than white and will make a decision based solely on the evidence presented to them.

It is neither positive or negative. Losing out on the removal of the chair isn't great but just because they suspect he may be unconsciously biased doesn't mean he will be and he isn't allowed to let the clubs request to remove him prejudice the hearing. Losing out on the whole case bring public is just meh. That wouldn't influence the panels decision imo. The only relevant news is we now know for definite the the panel for the arbitration is finalised and it will now begin at the behest of the club (based on whether we chose to appeal today's news/decision). We also know the arbitration is for the sale of the club and not compensation and that PIF, PCP and Reubens are all still on board. It's more of a state of play than a good/bad news update. Only my opinion like. How can this be proven? I ask honestly as I know nothing about legal arbitration etc. Isn't it almost like a jury where both sides will present their arguments then these 3 selected people will rule on it. But like a juror who could be a closet racist sending an innocent black man to jail for example. Can't really be proven without evidence against them, and whatever we have we obviously used in this case to have him removed and failed. I know very little too. But reading some of Matt Slater's (from the Athletic) tweets and Football Law tweets the panel is about as highly distinguished as you can get apparently. Matt Slater said and I quote "these guys get very annoyed when people suggest they'll be prejudice or anything other than professional, fair and wise when they properly consider the facts of the case". Given that they're at the top of their profession I'd hazard a guess that they didn't get there by making unjust rulings. I also imagine (like today's ruling) they'll have to provide rationale for any ruling they make. I'm probably being naive and I don't mean this post to come across "pro positivity" but I just don't think it'll impact the hearing. We may still lose the hearing but I don't think the chair not being removed will be the reason.

It is neither positive or negative. Losing out on the removal of the chair isn't great but just because they suspect he may be unconsciously biased doesn't mean he will be and he isn't allowed to let the clubs request to remove him prejudice the hearing. Losing out on the whole case bring public is just meh. That wouldn't influence the panels decision imo. The only relevant news is we now know for definite the the panel for the arbitration is finalised and it will now begin at the behest of the club (based on whether we chose to appeal today's news/decision). We also know the arbitration is for the sale of the club and not compensation and that PIF, PCP and Reubens are all still on board. It's more of a state of play than a good/bad news update. Only my opinion like.

That isn't who they're up against, they are the arbitration panel. Apparently the club chose Neuberger, EPL chose Dyson and Bellof is the "impartial" appointment.

It's both. Good news = The deal is still on the table and the final result of the hearing will be made public. The club also won on the fact they were allowed to make the most recent judgement public. Bad news = The club were unsuccessful in removing the chair of arbitration who they suspect could be biased. Additionally, the club lost when requesting the whole hearing be made public. Unknown news = If casting public doubt on the chair of arbitration will prevent them from being bias. The fact the result and some details of the arbitration hearing will be public should help prevent that. I'm far from an expert but the above is my high level takeaway from the clubs statement. Happy for others that are more knowledgeable to correct me if my interpretation is wrong.