Bellis80

I was thinking in England but if the two best examples are clubs that built stadiums smaller than their old one my point stands.

In theory it could but every new ground I remember has thought that and it hasn’t happened.

I agree. But people shouldn’t be using an improved atmosphere as a reason to move as it’s never happened. The argument about the old atmosphere also doesn’t make much sense to me. The 80s and early 90s in English football were the worst attendances there had ever been but the atmosphere was better? Not having it unless people kicking fuck out of each other and people getting set on fire is what people want again.

Still hasn’t been a new ground in the last 30 years with a better atmosphere despite every one being talked about as having perfect acoustics and design. All bullshit.

They were miles off it from the first minute for whatever reason. They’ve been on a great run and it was going to happen eventually. But how the three subs came on and managed to be even worse was incredible.

Letting him try and run it off doesn’t seem the best move but at least he’s not played like a man on one leg for months before having the operation.

I heard the intial scans all showed something wrong to varying degrees, the club were happy for him to have surgery, he thought he could rest it, the other injury situations at the club played into that decision and now he’s out for another 6-9 months after playing like shit and looking nothing like he did before the injury for a couple of months.

Not sure how they align when you were told it was all ok and the new injury came out of the blue when Downie’s description sounds like they made every wrong decision from start to finish.

The only finals I can think of hosting are Rugby or Football. You’re not getting a Uefa final away from Wembley and you’re not getting a Rugby final away from Twickenham, other than ones we’ve already had.

Sunderland are nicking the big concerts. They’ve got one this year.

Which ones then?

Fair enough but no clubs in England are having more than a few concerts a year. Needing a new stadium for that doesn’t seen worthwhile.

What high profile sporting finals could they have? There hasn’t been a uefa final in England outside of Wembley since it was rebuilt. We’ve had Rugby finals as well as international games in rugby and football.

People wanting to play in a not full stadium yet moaning about the current atmosphere doesn’t make much sense. How many concerts do other clubs have? Spurs have three listed this summer and can’t remember other clubs having more than that. Also got the rugby union european finals which St James had recently. Is only the nfl in addition to that and probably no more of those games to go around. If concerts are such a big draw and money spinner why are they building the new arena near enough the same size as the old one?

Would have preferred to see him show a bit of interest on Monday night.