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BTW if anyone is interested in this stuff / bored beyond all reason and wants something to look at, then you can do a 'spot the difference' exercise between the APT rules before and after the December republication of Handbook and its changes. Before (page 132): https://resources.premierleague.com/premierleague/document/2022/07/19/40085fed-1e9e-4c33-9f14-0bcf57857da2/PL_Handbook_2022-23_DIGITAL_18.07.pdf After (page 135): https://resources.premierleague.pulselive.com/premierleague/document/2024/12/11/e9aa1b9e-a7d5-4788-8afe-6e07b8a5f5fc/TM1603-PL_Handbook-and-Collateral-2024-25_11.12_DIGITAL.pdf

TynesideLife is being moved brick by brick for his retirement in Beamish

I used to watch some of the games on a dodgy satellite feed in a local CIU club - the irritating part is they didn’t like having that forrin commentary, so they’d hoy Radio Newcastle on over top - which of course was several seconds ahead of the game on the screen. Absolute knackers

The thing is of course that while sale was all down to PSR, if there were no FFP regs we are unlikely to bother signing a Minteh in any case, let alone have Elliot Anderson still not scoring goals from midfield. So stop whining about it, lads

I never thought he was intended for anything but being flipped for a profit. He was never going to be our RW

Because it doesn’t remove FMV, only APT

Fair enough, we’ll not be able to agree on PIF - though I would say I thought it was clear that we don’t know what sponsorship has or has not been on the table.

The entire structure of English football needs to be completely overhauled. The PL breakaway itself is the source of so many problems - remember, the ‘big clubs’ wanted the breakaway so that they weren’t drastically outvoted by the ‘small clubs’ of the rest of the FL. The league shouldn’t be administered by the clubs - it should be via the FA (which also needs serious reform). Changing the FFP rules is a sticking plaster. English football is a mess, a mess which is covered over by the ludicrous sums of money which have poured into it.

100% - but again, we do have to wait for that panel to meet. And there is nothing to stop the PL entirely changing all the rules and having a new FFP model - the biggest issue that I can see is the PL blocking sponsorship deals, which is restraint of trade.

Not unless we can show that we had a sponsorship deal rejected by the PL. We don’t know if this has happened.

They already amended them. The entire rulebook wasn’t found to be illegal and void - the panel picked out three items. It’s not illegal to adjust those rules to reflect the judgement or the assumed legal requirements. Again, nothing has changed - the rules that were adjusted back in November remain in place, and I didn’t see us bagging loads of sponsors and splashing the cash in January. Let’s see what happens to the adjusted rules and the PL’s response if they’re ruled to be illegal too. Until then, it is status quo.

Agreed, it might well do - they were hastily drafted. But they could also redraft again. At some point, you’d hope, this ends. The PL has been absolutely stupid in not compromising. I also don’t think this ends until the Man City case does - which could be some time. Man City’s actions are more than a bit dodgy, mind. But there’s a lot of premature excitement re this - nothing has changed in months, and this isn’t an update. We knew all of this.

Tbh we are still in the ‘wait and see’ territory. The majority of PL clubs want rules in place - a handful of those rules running aground doesn’t mean that the PL won’t engage lawyers to try to nail the wording. They’re not just going to back down and walk away. I’ve no interest in the excitable views of the football press, who report based on what they want to happen rather than knowledge of what is happening. Martin Samuel for example is a long-standing critic of the rules (with good reason of course). It’s all agenda-driven. When the PL rule book is changed, that’s when it’s over.

It might be worth remembering how it was being blocked - via the threat of putting MBS through a FPPT, which he would undoubtedly fail (as most dictators would). The paying off of BEIN dropped their issues, and there is little doubt that PIF would have made guarantees to the PL to play by the rules.

Literally nothing has changed from what we knew. Some of the APT rules were judged to be against UK law - and the PL was going to redraft the offending articles. Their redrafts may also fall foul of it. The PL cocked up with their hastily rewritten rules. That doesn’t mean the end of the rules. I’d be surprised if we have any benefit gained between 21-24. The ones who should be troubled are those who had director debts not accumulating interest.

A referee having a shite game getting back chat / sworn at / farted on / pushed by your own players. Yeah, it doesn’t help - but it can be very, very satisfying. Also, loads of red cards in a game.

Mebbes they used it for dog racing, like the old Wembley

Did you go to the Delle Alpi in 2002 WM? I don't get the impression that Turin can build decent grounds - that one was built for the 1990 WC and was already an absolute shit tip when we played there in the CL against Juve only a dozen years later. The state of the bogs was a wonder of the ages - you could've swam in there. Though I always did like a running track in European grounds - it always made it 'feel' like you were at a European match!

I think that is what the average Arsenal punter has been hoping for ages.

STs are now sub-optimal ways of selling tickets for the big clubs. Why let a superfan Joe Bloggs who has been there for decades get all 19 home matches a season for 500 quid, when you could sell 19 tickets for individual games to tourists for perhaps as much as 100 quid a pop? While I think that there will always be STs at football, the clubs who can do it will look to reduce those numbers as quickly as they can. If we become genuinely successful, this is likely our future too.

They're above us, so if they're shit, not sure what we are?

I almost hope we don’t win for your kids’ sake - they’ll end up being traumatised by their dad’s celebrations!

100% - so it would be of benefit this summer if it happens. The removal of 'acceptable losses' with PSR is going to sting us.

I hate pundits who use the term 'common sense' as a workaround to not understanding the Laws of the Game. 'By letter of the law it might be a foul, but the referee should apply common sense'. No they fucking well shouldn't.

Europe is a location, and it is the European Cup - it should be played in Europe.