TheBrownBottle

Agreed - it was a straightforward comparison between their achievements. I think winning the cup with Palace is a massive achievement.

Ambitious as in … ?

Changing it at the moment is unlikely to bring much with it other than a ‘new manager bounce’. We’ve got nowt to spend in January, and this is very much Howe’s squad - we’re over four years in now. We’ve signed a bunch of runners who won’t run.

Agreed - I think he’s an excellent manager, tbf - though I also think Howe is an excellent manager.

For once I’d be all in favour of him calling out his players - after a mea culpa

It definitely was - and it’s a much bigger trophy.

100%. That stupid sod thought the young knackers in the squad would respond to a ‘disciplinarian’.

I’m not advocating for Glasner nor for getting rid of Howe, but Palace and Newcastle are very different clubs with very different budgets and expectations

Agreed, but we’ll need to sell to buy in any significant terms

Robson should have been sacked in the summer - the timing was what was wrong with it. The situations aren’t similar.

I wouldn’t be upset at selling any of the current squad.

I’m losing a fair amount of faith in Howe and his nephew’s judgement on that front.

Yep, and I feel desperately sorry for the lad. Feel like we should cut our losses as soon as possible. The situation is likely to get much worse atm.

There was a point in the second half where he needed half a dozen touches to get the ball under control and headed in the right direction. The lad isn’t good enough.

It actually worries me that he spends so much time looking at the ball when he’s dribbling, even at walking pace. His head is rarely up. Not exactly the sign of a great technical player.

I’ve been saying for yonks that if the insipid away performances carry on through to SAFC, folks will turn- and quickly. Can’t say I blame them after that performance. Far too early to sack him for me.

I’ve voted no, again. But this can’t carry on.

Yep, this is where I am - he needs to refresh his coaching staff, or he might find he’s out of the door with them.

They haven’t looked like they’re playing for him for a little while now. Not great stuff.

Yep, that’s a massive problem, we had to wait for PSR headroom and now we’ve spent it - and I suspect the club’s future projections won’t be built on midtable finishes.

Fuck, I just realised Ramsay was on the bench. That’s really fucking bad.

There’s still credit in the bank, but a fucking massive withdrawal was made today. Losing derbies happens - that was a managerial shitshow from start to finish. Bizarre team selection, cowardly tactics, zero intensity. The shit-flavoured cherry on a shit-filled cake of away performances this season.

As bad as anything I’ve seen in derby terms. Gutless, insipid, cowardly display. I hope this lot are capable of feeling embarrassed.

Embarrassing stuff. ‘Pashun’.

A quarter of a billion pounds.