Keegan eyes spending spree

[lovejoy]

Ten years?

[Taylor Swift]

My bad. Point stands. I think

[NE5]

Ten years?

 

"planning"

 

So thats alright

[NE5]

Winter window signings would of enabled us to get 40pts for the season.

 

As it stands, its going to be close that we get 35pts nevermind 40.

 

Disgraceful all round.

 

If we survive, it won't be disgraceful. It'll have given him 5 months to have a look at the players at the club and 5 months to scout players. If we survive, it'll have been a wise decision not to sign anyone in the Jan window.

 

Wise? Jesus Christ. It will be fortunate.

 

Wise would of been getting some players in who could spark a very poor season.

 

Wise?  mackems.gif

 

Fuking hell.

 

Typical short-term outlook.

 

Wise? Fortunate? Semantics as far as I'm concern. We won't be stuck with overpaid players whom we've overpaid for and might not even need.

 

Typical short term look?

 

Shut the fuk up man,

 

If you cannot see that our inactivity in the winter window has had a negative effect on this club you want (and i've thought this for a while now) shot with your own shit.

 

We are already stuck with overpaid wasters, and what's to say KK in the summer (and what's to say he would do it in the winter window) wont do the same again or equally as bad, stick with the wasters we've got and treat them like 1st teamers?

 

 

So you're suggesting that someone who's been out of football for 3 years comes in and spends £10m each on players that he hasn't seen before to 'spark' a poor season.

 

mackems.gif

 

Why not wait until the summer? The season is a write-off anyway. I'm not going to get into argument about why that is the case, but the fact is, at the time Keegan came in, we had little chance of Europe. Get your head around that fact. This 'spark' would have costed us a tidy sum (since it costs money to buy quality players and they cost EVEN MORE in January) and Keegan wouldn't have fucking known who to buy anyway. He would have had to spend money on a) players he hadn't seen before, or b) lesser quality players that he knew i.e. Premiership players playing for mid-table teams. Now, which Premiership teams would sell to us in January for a reasonable fee? No one. Do you think Bentley would have come in had we offered Blackburn £10m in Jan? Do you think a team with an outside chance of getting into the Champions League would sell one of their key players for £10m in the middle of the fucking season?

 

Why not let him wait 5 months to evaluate the players he has at the club? Why not give him 5 months to scout players around Europe before spending his allotted sum of money? If we survive, Keegan's decision not to spend will be proved to be very astute because he's now had ample time to see things the way they really are.

 

Like I said, if you wanted him to spend money just to satisfy your stupid urge, then it is a very short-term outlook.

 

All of this hinges on whether we survive. But if we survive, Keegan will have done the right thing.

 

You make valid points to a degree but where I think it fails is that you don't realise that people can come into a football club and see straight away what the most overwhelming need is. Keegan would not have needed 4 or 5 games to see what we needed, he would have seen it after 90 minutes, and his people in the dugout would have already known precisely the same thing and confirmed to him that he was correct.

 

Unless they are all complete dickheads of course.

 

I don't think the decision to buy or not to buy is either good or bad to be honest, if it is Keegans and I hope it is because if people meddle into this area then he WILL walk out, I think the decision not to buy is an absolutely huge gamble, and personally I think they should have targetted one or two players and just got them, I'm thinking of David Bentley here who's value in the summer will be more than it would have been 6 weeks ago.

 

 

[Mick]

 

exactly what stuck out for me too, and its not like Kevin at all to say something like that or intimate that he has signed on the dotted line with no idea of what ambition the club has

 

 

 

 

 

Typical.  

[Mick]

 

You make valid points to a degree but where I think it fails is that you don't realise that people can come into a football club and see straight away what the most overwhelming need is. Keegan would not have needed 4 or 5 games to see what we needed, he would have seen it after 90 minutes, and his people in the dugout would have already known precisely the same thing and confirmed to him that he was correct.

 

Unless they are all complete dickheads of course.

 

I don't think the decision to buy or not to buy is either good or bad to be honest, if it is Keegans and I hope it is because if people meddle into this area then he WILL walk out, I think the decision not to buy is an absolutely huge gamble, and personally I think they should have targetted one or two players and just got them, I'm thinking of David Bentley here who's value in the summer will be more than it would have been 6 weeks ago.

 

 

 

Did we make any bids for players in the last window?

[Dave]

Why do you think Bentley's value will go up in the summer, NE5? Considering Blackburn will find it much easier to get someone in to replace him (having an entire summer to do so) and the fact he can't increase his value by impressing for England (missing out on Euro2008), I don't really see why he will suddenly cost more.

[NE5]

 

You make valid points to a degree but where I think it fails is that you don't realise that people can come into a football club and see straight away what the most overwhelming need is. Keegan would not have needed 4 or 5 games to see what we needed, he would have seen it after 90 minutes, and his people in the dugout would have already known precisely the same thing and confirmed to him that he was correct.

 

Unless they are all complete dickheads of course.

 

I don't think the decision to buy or not to buy is either good or bad to be honest, if it is Keegans and I hope it is because if people meddle into this area then he WILL walk out, I think the decision not to buy is an absolutely huge gamble, and personally I think they should have targetted one or two players and just got them, I'm thinking of David Bentley here who's value in the summer will be more than it would have been 6 weeks ago.

 

 

 

Did we make any bids for players in the last window?

 

yawn

 

The last board managed to get Woodgate in the January, right or wrong ?

 

I don't expect you to understand this or acknowledge a possible reason for it. Yawn.

 

 

[NE5]

Why do you think Bentley's value will go up in the summer, NE5? Considering Blackburn will find it much easier to get someone in to replace him (having an entire summer to do so) and the fact he can't increase his value by playing for England (missing out on Euro2008), I don't really see why he will suddenly cost more.

 

he's had another England cap for starters

 

 

[Dave]

Why do you think Bentley's value will go up in the summer, NE5? Considering Blackburn will find it much easier to get someone in to replace him (having an entire summer to do so) and the fact he can't increase his value by playing for England (missing out on Euro2008), I don't really see why he will suddenly cost more.

 

he's had another England cap for starters

 

 

 

The friendly against Switzerland? Everyone knew he'd be called up for that game.

[Mick]

 

yawn

 

The last board managed to get Woodgate in the January, right or wrong ?

 

I don't expect you to understand this or acknowledge a possible reason for it. Yawn.

 

 

 

Different times and a totally different situation, the same “old board” also failed to get him when he chose Boro?

 

I don't expect you to understand this or acknowledge a possible reason for it. Yawn.

 

[NE5]

 

exactly what stuck out for me too, and its not like Kevin at all to say something like that or intimate that he has signed on the dotted line with no idea of what ambition the club has

 

 

Typical.  

 

indeed. These people who think our directors in the 1980's who sold our best players and were staring at the 3rd division, are "the same as" the ones who picked up the cobwebs and left us qualifying regularly for europe, more than every team bar 4.

 

Typical .

 

You didn't reply to my comment a few days ago about as soon as the Halls and Shepherd go, we are back to where they found us. Why not.

 

You quite simply haven't got a clue. I just bet you sit in the working mans clubs listening to all the old fogies talking absolute shite saying that the team who won the FA Cup in the 1950's had loads of "stars" in it when their league positions were 5th, 4th, 8th, 16th, 8th, 11th, 17th, 19th.

 

That actually means the 3 consecutive top 5 positions, under Shepherd and Hall, were the best in over 60 years. What a shame you have to admit that the despicable pie eater was chairman when we did this  mackems.gif

 

Still, I'm sure you are right if you way that every other chairman since the 1940's at least has been in charge of the club when they achieved better league positions and didn't embarrass you  mackems.gif

 

HAHA. What a Joker you are mackems.gif

 

 

[NE5]

 

yawn

 

The last board managed to get Woodgate in the January, right or wrong ?

 

I don't expect you to understand this or acknowledge a possible reason for it. Yawn.

 

 

Different times and a totally different situation, the same “old board” also failed to get him when he chose Boro?

 

I don't expect you to understand this or acknowledge a possible reason for it. Yawn.

 

 

We will see if they match the challenge of their time, like the last board did. Speaking of the smoggies, why do they buy a striker for 12 m quid when we can't, or won't.

 

You don't remember the days when they bought Irving Nattrass and Micky Burns from us, and we took Stuart Boam for free in an exchange.

 

I don't suppose you do, because you should then admit that this sort of thing hasn't happened since, err, 1992/

 

[Mick]

 

indeed. These people who think our directors in the 1980's who sold our best players and were staring at the 3rd division, are "the same as" the ones who picked up the cobwebs and left us qualifying regularly for europe, more than every team bar 4.

 

Typical .

 

You didn't reply to my comment a few days ago about as soon as the Halls and Shepherd go, we are back to where they found us. Why not.

 

You quite simply haven't got a clue. I just bet you sit in the working mans clubs listening to all the old fogies talking absolute s**** saying that the team who won the FA Cup in the 1950's had loads of "stars" in it when their league positions were 5th, 4th, 8th, 16th, 8th, 11th, 17th, 19th.

 

That actually means the 3 consecutive top 5 positions, under Shepherd and Hall, were the best in over 60 years. What a shame you have to admit that the despicable pie eater was chairman when we did this  mackems.gif

 

Still, I'm sure you are right if you way that every other chairman since the 1940's at least has been in charge of the club when they achieved better league positions and didn't embarrass you  mackems.gif

 

HAHA. What a Joker you are mackems.gif

 

 

 

 

The use of "typical" was a reaction, I didn't expect it to turn out to be a prediction, I guess I was wrong.

[Martin Lol]

Why do you think Bentley's value will go up in the summer, NE5? Considering Blackburn will find it much easier to get someone in to replace him (having an entire summer to do so) and the fact he can't increase his value by playing for England (missing out on Euro2008), I don't really see why he will suddenly cost more.

 

he's had another England cap for starters

 

 

 

The friendly against Switzerland? Everyone knew he'd be called up for that game.

 

That's true, but he is the nearest thing England has to Beckham in his prime, SWP is far too erratic and Lennon would be good if he could cross a ball.  I think Bentley's value is £15m and rising.  Whinger made as big a mistake selling Bentley for £3m (?) as he did buying Jeffers for £10m.

[Baggio]

Give it a rest NE5, people don't want to read the same shite patter from you every fucking day, you're about as original as Les Dennis with his "I don't really know" impression from Coronation Street. 

[Mick]

 

We will see if they match the challenge of their time, like the last board did. Speaking of the smoggies, why do they buy a striker for 12 m quid when we can't, or won't.

 

You don't remember the days when they bought Irving Nattrass and Micky Burns from us, and we took Stuart Boam for free in an exchange.

 

I don't suppose you do, because you should then admit that this sort of thing hasn't happened since, err, 1992/

 

 

Remind me what that has got to do with you mentioning us missing out on Woodgate under Ashley and Mort in the same way we missed out on him under Shepherd?

[Mick]

Give it a rest NE5, people don't want to read the same s**** patter from you every f****** day, you're about as original as Les Dennis with his "I don't really know" impression from Coronation Street. 

 

He wants us to fail just so he can have a go at Ashley and Mort, I can't get my head around that.

[ChezGiven]

 

Wise?  mackems.gif

 

Fuking hell.

 

My thoughts exactly.

[Taylor Swift]

So saving up money to spend on players that he'd know more about in 6 months is stupid then? Good stuff.

[Taylor Swift]

Winter window signings would of enabled us to get 40pts for the season.

 

As it stands, its going to be close that we get 35pts nevermind 40.

 

Disgraceful all round.

 

If we survive, it won't be disgraceful. It'll have given him 5 months to have a look at the players at the club and 5 months to scout players. If we survive, it'll have been a wise decision not to sign anyone in the Jan window.

 

Wise? Jesus Christ. It will be fortunate.

 

Wise would of been getting some players in who could spark a very poor season.

 

Wise? mackems.gif

 

Fuking hell.

 

Typical short-term outlook.

 

Wise? Fortunate? Semantics as far as I'm concern. We won't be stuck with overpaid players whom we've overpaid for and might not even need.

 

Typical short term look?

 

Shut the fuk up man,

 

If you cannot see that our inactivity in the winter window has had a negative effect on this club you want (and i've thought this for a while now) shot with your own shit.

 

We are already stuck with overpaid wasters, and what's to say KK in the summer (and what's to say he would do it in the winter window) wont do the same again or equally as bad, stick with the wasters we've got and treat them like 1st teamers?

 

 

So you're suggesting that someone who's been out of football for 3 years comes in and spends £10m each on players that he hasn't seen before to 'spark' a poor season.

 

mackems.gif

 

Why not wait until the summer? The season is a write-off anyway. I'm not going to get into argument about why that is the case, but the fact is, at the time Keegan came in, we had little chance of Europe. Get your head around that fact. This 'spark' would have costed us a tidy sum (since it costs money to buy quality players and they cost EVEN MORE in January) and Keegan wouldn't have fucking known who to buy anyway. He would have had to spend money on a) players he hadn't seen before, or b) lesser quality players that he knew i.e. Premiership players playing for mid-table teams. Now, which Premiership teams would sell to us in January for a reasonable fee? No one. Do you think Bentley would have come in had we offered Blackburn £10m in Jan? Do you think a team with an outside chance of getting into the Champions League would sell one of their key players for £10m in the middle of the fucking season?

 

Why not let him wait 5 months to evaluate the players he has at the club? Why not give him 5 months to scout players around Europe before spending his allotted sum of money? If we survive, Keegan's decision not to spend will be proved to be very astute because he's now had ample time to see things the way they really are.

 

Like I said, if you wanted him to spend money just to satisfy your stupid urge, then it is a very short-term outlook.

 

All of this hinges on whether we survive. But if we survive, Keegan will have done the right thing.

 

You make valid points to a degree but where I think it fails is that you don't realise that people can come into a football club and see straight away what the most overwhelming need is. Keegan would not have needed 4 or 5 games to see what we needed, he would have seen it after 90 minutes, and his people in the dugout would have already known precisely the same thing and confirmed to him that he was correct.

 

Unless they are all complete dickheads of course.

 

I don't think the decision to buy or not to buy is either good or bad to be honest, if it is Keegans and I hope it is because if people meddle into this area then he WILL walk out, I think the decision not to buy is an absolutely huge gamble, and personally I think they should have targetted one or two players and just got them, I'm thinking of David Bentley here who's value in the summer will be more than it would have been 6 weeks ago.

 

 

I agree that he would have seen what he would have needed in 90 minutes, but could he have gotten quality, reasonably-priced players in during the last 2 weeks of the window?

 

He was out of management for 3 years, I doubt that he had a shortlist of midfielders/fullbacks/strikers in mind when he took the job. I doubt he had a realistic one anyway i.e. players that would come to a struggling club with a new manager.

 

And apart from trying for Premiership-proven players eg. Woodgate and SWP, what were his second choices? Third choices? 2 weeks isn't a lot of time for someone who's been disconnected from the footballing world for 3 years. And you might say 'oh well the club had scouts', well, did (does) Keegan trust the judgment of these scouts? If not, and surely you won't develop a trust in 2 weeks, then why would he spend money on the players that they suggest? Surely anyone can see that it'd be stupid to do so. Keegan's already mentioned it in an interview - 'scouts can do their job but ideally I'd like to see the players myself before buying them' is something like he said iirc.

 

I've seen you mentioned the old board signing Woodgate but you're ignoring the fact that Leeds were in financial trouble at the time. There's no other club in the Premiership in that situation now. And there wasn't a quality player available in Jan because of circumstances such as the one that Leeds were in. Everyone has money, no one needed to sell and it was the middle of the season = overpriced players.

 

I'll state that survival is worth paying lots of money for, so right now that's the be all and end all. But, if we stay up, then the gamble (and I do agree that it is a gamble), will have worked. I don't see why there's any argument on that. If it works (we stay up), then hindsight will have shown that his decision was good. Simple enough really.

[Mick]

 

 

I agree that he would have seen what he would have needed in 90 minutes, but could he have gotten quality, reasonably-priced players in during the last 2 weeks of the window?

 

He was out of management for 3 years, I doubt that he had a shortlist of midfielders/fullbacks/strikers in mind when he took the job. I doubt he had a realistic one anyway i.e. players that would come to a struggling club with a new manager.

 

And apart from trying for Premiership-proven players eg. Woodgate and SWP, what were his second choices? Third choices? 2 weeks isn't a lot of time for someone who's been disconnected from the footballing world for 3 years. And you might say 'oh well the club had scouts', well, did (does) Keegan trust the judgment of these scouts? If not, and surely you won't develop a trust in 2 weeks, then why would he spend money on the players that they suggest? Surely anyone can see that it'd be stupid to do so. Keegan's already mentioned it in an interview - 'scouts can do their job but ideally I'd like to see the players myself before buying them' is something like he said iirc.

 

I've seen you mentioned the old board signing Woodgate but you're ignoring the fact that Leeds were in financial trouble at the time. There's no other club in the Premiership in that situation now. And there wasn't a quality player available in Jan because of circumstances such as the one that Leeds were in. Everyone has money, no one needed to sell and it was the middle of the season = overpriced players.

 

I'll state that survival is worth paying lots of money for, so right now that's the be all and end all. But, if we stay up, then the gamble (and I do agree that it is a gamble), will have worked. I don't see why there's any argument on that. If it works (we stay up), then hindsight will have shown that his decision was good. Simple enough really.

 

Not with 4 first team players away in Africa.

[Taylor Swift]

Touche.

 

Though he will have seen how shit our midfield is. Even if he thought Geremi was any good, he would have known that we needed some classy midfielders after 45 minutes.

[Mick]

Touche.

 

Though he will have seen how s*** our midfield is. Even if he thought Geremi was any good, he would have known that we needed some classy midfielders after 45 minutes.

 

I'm not sure what he would learn in his first 90 minutes against Stoke, we were all over them.  His next game was a draw against Bolton and we spent most of the game camped out in the Bolton half, again, he wouldn't learn much because we had games like that even when we were referred to as "The Entertainers."

[Taylor Swift]

Touche.

 

Though he will have seen how s*** our midfield is. Even if he thought Geremi was any good, he would have known that we needed some classy midfielders after 45 minutes.

 

I'm not sure what he would learn in his first 90 minutes against Stoke, we were all over them.  His next game was a draw against Bolton and we spent most of the game camped out in the Bolton half, again, he wouldn't learn much because we had games like that even when we were referred to as "The Entertainers."

 

I'm starting from the Bolton game and the fact that we couldn't break them down, had no shots, no real chances at all would have given away a lot about the quality of our midfield.