Shearergol Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 When Bentley chooses Liverpool over us, have the board failed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Infact the signing he could have been talking about could well have been Keegan as a player. That's the last one I could come up with that fitted the criteria you all seem to be assuming he means. He only cost £100,000 like. Duff, Owen, Luque, Boumsong, Rooney bid, Torres supposed bid, Casino plans, all things which arguably were signed to get season ticket sales going again, again there were questionalbe motives for most of those players, wouldnt go as far as saying they were all "statement signings" but maybe signings made with not he 1st teams best interests at heart.... Can't see many people rushing to renew their season tickets just because we bought Duff. When we bought Luque we'd already got Owen so they'd done enough to get the money in anyway if that was their only motive. Boumsong was a necessary (if over priced) signing who most were happy with at the time. Would you have turned your nose up at getting Torres and Rooney? Where the casino comes into it I've no idea. How could you possibly know that? All im saying, and i think you kindof agree to an extent, is that maybe they werent signings made with the best interest of the first team at heart, especially the Souness debacle when it was clear to everyone that season ticket sales were at there lowest, maybe he needed to stir up interest by going on the spree. Hell even Solano was resigned for the fans. It seemed that way too me, if you think that those signings or (attempted signings) were made 100% for the benefit of the fisrt team and only for the benefit of the fisrt team then that is upto you, ill take the cynical route i stick with my belief that maybe, just maybe they werent just signed for the benefit of the first team, but for the benefit of the finances and season ticket sales. To me the evidence during SBR final seasons suggest it, no money during summer, SBR wanting a CB (having sold one of our best ever), then when seaon ticket sales start to drop we find £25m from somewhere to bid on Torres and Rooney....theres my evidence and thats maybe what Mort is on about. Maybe im wrong. He's going on about signings that never happened? Dear me. Robson was old. He was going at the end of the season anyway. It made perfect sense to me to save up a pot of cash for the new manager to spend especially when Shearer was coming to the end of his career and we'd have to dig deep to replace him. It's just unfortunate that the person who got to spend that money was an arrogant fool, although I can't fault the signing of Owen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Can't see many people rushing to renew their season tickets just because we bought Duff. When we bought Luque we'd already got Owen so they'd done enough to get the money in anyway if that was their only motive. Boumsong was a necessary (if over priced) signing who most were happy with at the time. Would you have turned your nose up at getting Torres and Rooney? Where the casino comes into it I've no idea. Boumsong wasn't a necessary signing, a replacement for Woodgate was necessary, eeeer......don't know quite how to say this, but .......... oh, somebody else tell him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Can't see many people rushing to renew their season tickets just because we bought Duff. When we bought Luque we'd already got Owen so they'd done enough to get the money in anyway if that was their only motive. Boumsong was a necessary (if over priced) signing who most were happy with at the time. Would you have turned your nose up at getting Torres and Rooney? Where the casino comes into it I've no idea. Boumsong wasn't a necessary signing, a replacement for Woodgate was necessary, eeeer......don't know quite how to say this, but .......... oh, somebody else tell him To be fair Mick, that's a fucking stupid comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 I honestly can't believe that people think £16m was too much to pay for a 26 year old Michael Owen. worth every penny Can you tell me this weeks lottery numbers too. ahh, you're saying that i'm using the benefit of hindsight and i couldnt possibly have known he would be worth every penny when he signed? is this correct? am i on the right lines? keep me right here i'm just not so sure that post made you look as clever as you intended it to If you weren't being sarcastic I sincerely appologise. haha, i was deadly serious, thats ok mate, have you got sigs turned off or something? i've been fighting his corner for years, incidentally i just won a 100 quid bet that he would come back from injury and be a major player for us, a bet i made with me mam! Ah, yes. Looking at your profile I see how stupid that looked. Yes I have sigs and avatars and as much crap as possible turned off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 When Bentley chooses Liverpool over us, have the board failed? if it means they missed the boat in January ? "we won't be buying any players unless they are for the future" ring any bells ............ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 I honestly can't believe that people think £16m was too much to pay for a 26 year old Michael Owen. worth every penny Can you tell me this weeks lottery numbers too. ahh, you're saying that i'm using the benefit of hindsight and i couldnt possibly have known he would be worth every penny when he signed? is this correct? am i on the right lines? keep me right here i'm just not so sure that post made you look as clever as you intended it to If you weren't being sarcastic I sincerely appologise. haha, i was deadly serious, thats ok mate, have you got sigs turned off or something? i've been fighting his corner for years, incidentally i just won a 100 quid bet that he would come back from injury and be a major player for us, a bet i made with me mam! Ah, yes. Looking at your profile I see how stupid that looked. Yes I have sigs and avatars and as much crap as possible turned off. fair enough fella, no harm done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 When Bentley chooses Liverpool over us, have the board failed? if keegan wants him and we dont get him because they wont pay enough, then yes, they will have failed. thats the ONLY criteria for them failing though imo, they cant exactly MAKE him sign for us, the persuading should be down to KK imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 When Bentley chooses Liverpool over us, have the board failed? if it means they missed the boat in January ? "we won't be buying any players unless they are for the future" ring any bells ............ You see, I agreed with you about the lack of transfers in January (probably in the Zamblera thread) but I also know that Blackburn didn't want to see Bentley in January too - how many times do you see the "teams don't want to sell their best players in January" line from managers? We could have gone in with a £25m bid, and they may have been tempted by that, but that would make him over-priced. Exactly the same happened when we went for Boa Morte, and look where that left us. We should have strengthened in January, IMO, but I very much doubt we had any chance of getting Bentley then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 When Bentley chooses Liverpool over us, have the board failed? if it means they missed the boat in January ? "we won't be buying any players unless they are for the future" ring any bells ............ You see, I agreed with you about the lack of transfers in January (probably in the Zamblera thread) but I also know that Blackburn didn't want to see Bentley in January too - how many times do you see the "teams don't want to sell their best players in January" line from managers? We could have gone in with a £25m bid, and they may have been tempted by that, but that would make him over-priced. Exactly the same happened when we went for Boa Morte, and look where that left us. We should have strengthened in January, IMO, but I very much doubt we had any chance of getting Bentley then. fair enough in all seriousness but it wasn't the best of questions was it ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Seeing as price for anything depends on scarcity, the length of time left on a contract plays a big part in the price of a footballer. He went to Madrid with little left on his contract but was re-sold with longer on that contract. We dont know what other bids were being made and Madrid may have just said no to a lesser offer, knowing they could hold out for a better price. The clubs need to agree a fee first and just because Liverpool didnt want to spend more than they sold him for does not mean Madrid would have accepted a £9 or 10m offer for him from us. We may have offered this and they said no, no one knows. We bought a player who played most of his games coming off the bench from a club who had just bought Baptista and Robinho for something like £35 million, my complete guess would be that they wanted to sell as much as we wanted to buy. You're right though, we don't know what was said and maybe we had to pay £17 million but I doubt it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 If Liverpool dont sort the ownership out they will be buying fk all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 eeeer......don't know quite how to say this, but .......... oh, somebody else tell him Boumsong was shite and no replacement for Woodgate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 When Bentley chooses Liverpool over us, have the board failed? if it means they missed the boat in January ? "we won't be buying any players unless they are for the future" ring any bells ............ You see, I agreed with you about the lack of transfers in January (probably in the Zamblera thread) but I also know that Blackburn didn't want to see Bentley in January too - how many times do you see the "teams don't want to sell their best players in January" line from managers? We could have gone in with a £25m bid, and they may have been tempted by that, but that would make him over-priced. Exactly the same happened when we went for Boa Morte, and look where that left us. We should have strengthened in January, IMO, but I very much doubt we had any chance of getting Bentley then. fair enough in all seriousness but it wasn't the best of questions was it ? I'm just pre-empting what I know some people are going to claim. In the same way that the board didn't fail trying to sign Rooney; I hope it's not held against Mort if Bentley doesn't come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 To be fair Mick, that's a f****** stupid comment. Do you think Boumsong replaced him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Seeing as price for anything depends on scarcity, the length of time left on a contract plays a big part in the price of a footballer. He went to Madrid with little left on his contract but was re-sold with longer on that contract. We dont know what other bids were being made and Madrid may have just said no to a lesser offer, knowing they could hold out for a better price. The clubs need to agree a fee first and just because Liverpool didnt want to spend more than they sold him for does not mean Madrid would have accepted a £9 or 10m offer for him from us. We may have offered this and they said no, no one knows. Apparently Madrid didn't reject Liverpool's bid, they didn't accept it either and told them they would have to have a board meeting to discuss it, he was allowed to go to Lverpool to hold talks with them and Rick Parry supposedly told him to reject Newcastle, hold his nerve and he would be back at Liverpool before the window closed because Madrid were desperate to get rid, they had even bought Baptista and Robinho in to replace him. Owen chose to come here for regular football and with it the games he needed to get in the England squad rather than try and call Madrid's bluff and push through the move he wanted to Liverpool. I remember one of the papers having a caricature of Owen and the Madrid chairman playing poker, the Madrid chairman had a pair of 4's I think it was with a grin on his face and Owen had a pair of kings shaking where he didn't have the nerve go through with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 When Bentley chooses Liverpool over us, have the board failed? if it means they missed the boat in January ? "we won't be buying any players unless they are for the future" ring any bells ............ You see, I agreed with you about the lack of transfers in January (probably in the Zamblera thread) but I also know that Blackburn didn't want to see Bentley in January too - how many times do you see the "teams don't want to sell their best players in January" line from managers? We could have gone in with a £25m bid, and they may have been tempted by that, but that would make him over-priced. Exactly the same happened when we went for Boa Morte, and look where that left us. We should have strengthened in January, IMO, but I very much doubt we had any chance of getting Bentley then. fair enough in all seriousness but it wasn't the best of questions was it ? I'm just pre-empting what I know some people are going to claim. In the same way that the board didn't fail trying to sign Rooney; I hope it's not held against Mort if Bentley doesn't come. I see. No, I won't consider them to have failed, I'll be disappointed though, and I would hope they realise this is the standards they should be setting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 To be fair Mick, that's a f****** stupid comment. Do you think Boumsong replaced him? omg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 When Bentley chooses Liverpool over us, have the board failed? if it means they missed the boat in January ? "we won't be buying any players unless they are for the future" ring any bells ............ You see, I agreed with you about the lack of transfers in January (probably in the Zamblera thread) but I also know that Blackburn didn't want to see Bentley in January too - how many times do you see the "teams don't want to sell their best players in January" line from managers? We could have gone in with a £25m bid, and they may have been tempted by that, but that would make him over-priced. Exactly the same happened when we went for Boa Morte, and look where that left us. We should have strengthened in January, IMO, but I very much doubt we had any chance of getting Bentley then. fair enough in all seriousness but it wasn't the best of questions was it ? I'm just pre-empting what I know some people are going to claim. In the same way that the board didn't fail trying to sign Rooney; I hope it's not held against Mort if Bentley doesn't come. They should have bought Rooney in January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 To be fair Mick, that's a f****** stupid comment. Do you think Boumsong replaced him? Ahh, so every signing is based on hindsight? Brilliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Ahh, so every signing is based on hindsight? Brilliant. I said he was shite before and after he signed, nowt to do with hindsight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 When Bentley chooses Liverpool over us, have the board failed? if it means they missed the boat in January ? "we won't be buying any players unless they are for the future" ring any bells ............ I wouldn't say Woodgate was a signing for the future. Seriously though the comments you're referring to were made under Allardyce and I don't think you can blame them for being reluctant to give him more money considering the poor job he was doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 omg I take it that you think Boumsong did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Ahh, so every signing is based on hindsight? Brilliant. I said he was shite before and after he signed, nowt to do with hindsight. Same with Smith then, yeah? Only the manager can be blamed for the Boumsong signing I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 We got turned down by Man City at the time when we went for Distin. Disappointing that we didn't use the size of the club and our fanbase to force them to sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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