Still an Ashleyite? Who's with me?

[buzza]

I also agree that the set up seems very logical and theoretically it should work and we should only get better with a lower outlay than other clubs...

Who's responsible for the spanner in the works?

-Keegan for having a hissy fit when players he wanted didn't come in/players being sold without adecuate replacements...

-Wise for not vetoing the players keegan wanted in because he saw that they didn't concur with his/club's strategy/ wanting to sell players who were obviously dead wood...

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I also agree that the set up seems very logical and theoretically it should work and we should only get better with a lower outlay than other clubs...

Who's responsible for the spanner in the works?

-Keegan for having a hissy fit when players he wanted didn't come in/players being sold without adecuate replacements...

-Wise for not vetoing the players keegan wanted in because he saw that they didn't concur with his/club's strategy/ wanting to sell players who were obviously dead wood...

 

I think the overwhelming logic of the system that Ashley has put in place is the main thing that will mean we come out of this with a decent result.

 

Keegan must be able to see that Ashley is doing right for the club financially, and that the signings (whether KK's or not) have been good ones.

 

Therefore the best resut will be a compromise, and I still think we can get that.

[relámpago blanco]

I also agree that the set up seems very logical and theoretically it should work and we should only get better with a lower outlay than other clubs...

Who's responsible for the spanner in the works?

-Keegan for having a hissy fit when players he wanted didn't come in/players being sold without adecuate replacements...

-Wise for not vetoing the players keegan wanted in because he saw that they didn't concur with his/club's strategy/ wanting to sell players who were obviously dead wood...

 

I think the overwhelming logic of the system that Ashley has put in place is the main thing that will mean we come out of this with a decent result.

 

Keegan must be able to see that Ashley is doing right for the club financially, and that the signings (whether KK's or not) have been good ones.

 

Therefore the best resut will be a compromise, and I still think we can get that.

I still thinka compromise can be reached.  They would have said he was leaving by now if it was impossible and sort out the compo later.  I think there's a very good chance KK will be in the dugout against Hull in fact I'd say the odds are higher than 50%.  If Ashley had no room for negotiation liek I said he would be gone.  Ashley is obviously willing to compromise to some extent and I'd expect KK to do the same for the good of the club.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I also agree that the set up seems very logical and theoretically it should work and we should only get better with a lower outlay than other clubs...

Who's responsible for the spanner in the works?

-Keegan for having a hissy fit when players he wanted didn't come in/players being sold without adecuate replacements...

-Wise for not vetoing the players keegan wanted in because he saw that they didn't concur with his/club's strategy/ wanting to sell players who were obviously dead wood...

 

I think the overwhelming logic of the system that Ashley has put in place is the main thing that will mean we come out of this with a decent result.

 

Keegan must be able to see that Ashley is doing right for the club financially, and that the signings (whether KK's or not) have been good ones.

 

Therefore the best resut will be a compromise, and I still think we can get that.

I still thinka compromise can be reached.  They would have said he was leaving by now if it was impossible and sort out the compo later.  I think there's a very good chance KK will be in the dugout against Hull in fact I'd say the odds are higher than 50%.  If Ashley had no room for negotiation liek I said he would be gone.  Ashley is obviously willing to compromise to some extent and I'd expect KK to do the same for the good of the club.

 

Defo, keep the faith everyone.

[Cronky]

Kevin still wants the job. Make no mistake about that. But he would like to be able to buy his own players.

 

If he was allowed to bring in his own players and he failed he would be the first to hold his hands up."

 

-from a source close to Keegan allegedly.

 

Sounds good but I remember similar noises from Souness when he was trying to force Shepherd's hand in the transfer market. It's all very well holding your hands up if it goes wrong, who pays the bill for players who lose their value or ask for daft wages? "Holding your hands up" won't do it.

 

Personally I don't think there's any comparison between Keegan and Souness.  And aren't the problems you describe the same problems faced by all bar a handful of fashionable clubs? 

 

Incidentally I quite like the idea of the current set-up, but it has to work on all sides.  If Keegan has the final say on who goes and comes, because he has to pick and prepare the team, would that be so bad?  And if you don't trust the manager's judgement on players, maybe you should have picked a different manager?

 

The comparison with Souness is only in regards to the stance both managers have taken. Souness wanted his own players and in the end Shepherd reluctantly caved in, and it cost us millions. Obviously Keegan is a lot better judge of a player, but the bottom line is if it goes wrong, Keegan won't be picking up the bill. Should he then be in a position to dictate incomings and outgoings? Turning down offers for Smith, £12m for Milner and handing Owen a massive contract....while these moves might make him popular in the dressing room, I'm not sure it's healthy from a financial perspective.

 

I don't think any system is foolproof aginst bad signings tbh.  You can just as easily say the same about Wise & co, what credentials do they have to dictate transfers?  Wise especially.  And the bottom line is, if it goes wrong on the pitch, they won't get the sack, Keegan will.  If you're worried about a Souness type situation, don't give him 50m to spunk on players willy-nilly.

 

As I said, I quite like the set-up.  Wise & co scout, find players, make recommendations etc, all this seems sensible.  Keegan has the final say on purchases and sales.  That also seems sensible imo, as it's his team and he'll get the sack if they don't perform.  I honestly believe Smith would be out as quick as flash if the squad was adequate, but it's not.  I can also understand why he wanted to keep Milner, Barton and in particular Owen.  We only got 2 players in at the end of the day.

 

If you want a new style coach, you don't appoint an old style manager like Keegan imo. 

 

They have failed to properly man manage and communicate with Keegan and he must have felt he wasn't properly engaged in the only job he has ever been interested in.

 

...apart from Fulham, Man City and England, of course.

[Cronky]

Give him a budget-crikey all Ashley has to do is set limits-Transfer budget is, player wage budget is and then let him get on with it.

 

 

That only worked in the days when wages and contract terms were fairly uniform within a club, and didn't form such a huge part of the budget. It's a specialist job now.