Eddie Howe

[dcmk]

3 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Whilst these restrictions are in place and have hampered us we've hardly acted like Paupers. We've still been able to spend £750m on new players since 2022. I doubt there's many other clubs been able to spend more.

Is that about 350/400m net?

 

That's pretty good going to get us from certain relegation, to two champions League campaigns, two cup finals and one cup tbf.

 

[Wallsendmag]

1 minute ago, dcmk said:

Is that about 350/400m net?

 

That's pretty good going to get us from certain relegation, to two champions League campaigns, two cup finals and one cup tbf.

 

 

Just over £400m net. £750m gross.

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Whilst these restrictions are in place and have hampered us we've hardly acted like Paupers. We've still been able to spend £750m on new players since 2022. I doubt there's many other clubs been able to spend more.

I know 6 that have and/or while already starting at the 80m line in a 100m race. Man City spent £500m just last January alone. You can't remove that context, it dwarfs our spending and that's without even bringing pulling power, wages, and agent fees into it.

[Wallsendmag]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

I know 6 that have and/or while already starting at the 80m line in a 100m race. Man City spent £500m just last January alone. You can't remove that context, it dwarfs our spending and that's without even bringing pulling power, wages, and agent fees into it.

 

We aren't in direct competition with Man City though. Not in the league anyway. We do have a higher net spend than them in the past 5 years however (£430.61m compared to £397.78m).

[duo]

Newcastle's hierarchy are continuing to include boss Eddie Howe in discussions on transfer plans for the summer despite uncertainty over his future at St James' Park for the first time. (The I)

[dcmk]

7 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

We aren't in direct competition with Man City though. Not in the league anyway. We do have a higher net spend than them in the past 5 years however (£430.61m compared to £397.78m).

It's a bit misleading they hoover up young talent and sell for big figures. Just off the top of my head..

 

Palmer

Trafford

Lavia

 

Not to mention the big names sold for big money:

 

Alvarez

Sterling

Mahrez

Jesus

 

 

 

Edited April 13 by dcmk

[dcmk]

1 minute ago, duo said:

Newcastle's hierarchy are continuing to include boss Eddie Howe in discussions on transfer plans for the summer despite uncertainty over his future at St James' Park for the first time. (The I)

[Kid Icarus]

7 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

We aren't in direct competition with Man City though. Not in the league anyway. We do have a higher net spend than them in the past 5 years however (£430.61m compared to £397.78m).

You've lost me? I know they're not our direct competition, that's my point.  

 

It's why...

 

27 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

The mentality is dictated by the realistic alternatives, the realistic alternatives are dictated by our artificially imposed financial restrictions. 

 

Is a fair response to

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I'm talking about the fans mentality to it. We have to keep Hughes pellegrini or whoever it was at the time because of the cup victory. 

[Wallsendmag]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

You've lost me? I know they're not our direct competition, that's my point.  

 

It's why...

 

 

Is a fair response to

 

You brought Man City into the argument saying we can't compete with their spending power and I agreed.

 

I just simply pointed out that since PIF bought NUFC our net spend is greater than theirs, that's all.

[Armchair Pundit]

11 minutes ago, dcmk said:

Is that about 350/400m net?

 

That's pretty good going to get us from certain relegation, to two champions League campaigns, two cup finals and one cup tbf.

 

 

Yep, and the other thing to bear in mind is how drastically poor the squad was when the new owners came in. I imagine £400m net since 2022 is a relatively small amount to bring the team up to the point where they've competed on the fronts mentioned, as well as winning a cup. The only thing £400m since 2022 tells me is that Eddie's done an amazing job to achieve what we have in a short space of time, having to rebuild massively and keep up with other top half teams outside the the established cunt clubs. The fact we now have an aging, thin on quality squad at this point, after spending £400m since 2022 seems indicative of us not being able to kick on in every transfer window, due to PSR, messing about with DoFs and probably an reasonable element of other clubs knowing our desperation and then assuming we're loaded due to the ownership or such.

[Wallsendmag]

Just now, Armchair Pundit said:

 

Yep, and the other thing to bear in mind is how drastically poor the squad was when the new owners came in. I imagine £400m net since 2022 is a relatively small amount to bring the team up to the point where they've competed on the fronts mentioned, as well as winning a cup. The only thing £400m since 2022 tells me is that Eddie's done an amazing job to achieve what we have in a short space of time, having to rebuild massively and keep up with other top half teams outside the the established cunt clubs. The fact we now have an aging, thin on quality squad at this point, after spending £400m since 2022 seems indicative of us not being able to kick on in every transfer window, due to PSR, messing about with DoFs and probably an reasonable element of other clubs knowing our desperation and then assuming we're loaded due to the ownership or such.

 

I think the other clubs are all aware of the financial rules tbh.

[Armchair Pundit]

8 minutes ago, duo said:

Newcastle's hierarchy are continuing to include boss Eddie Howe in discussions on transfer plans for the summer despite uncertainty over his future at St James' Park for the first time. (The I)

 

And so they should, they main uncertainty around Eddie is being encouraged by the media themselves! (Barring a minority of Newcastle fans who actually want him out).

[dcmk]

Just now, Armchair Pundit said:

 

Yep, and the other thing to bear in mind is how drastically poor the squad was when the new owners came in. I imagine £400m net since 2022 is a relatively small amount to bring the team up to the point where they've competed on the fronts mentioned, as well as winning a cup. The only thing £400m since 2022 tells me is that Eddie's done an amazing job to achieve what we have in a short space of time, having to rebuild massively and keep up with other top half teams outside the the established cunt clubs. The fact we now have an aging, thin on quality squad at this point, after spending £400m since 2022 seems indicative of us not being able to kick on in every transfer window, due to PSR, messing about with DoFs and probably an reasonable element of other clubs knowing our desperation and then assuming we're loaded due to the ownership or such.

Agree.

 

We didn't have the luxury of being able to shift players for big money like those teams as well.  Since we had a team of no value.

 

Our only saleable assets in that early period was basically ASM.

 

 

[Mills and Boon]

4 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

You brought Man City into the argument saying we can't compete with their spending power and I agreed.

 

I just simply pointed out that since PIF bought NUFC our net spend is greater than theirs, that's all.

 

Why are you pointing that out though? Why is that significant?

[Wallsendmag]

2 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

Why are you pointing that out though? Why is that significant?

 

I'm pointing it out because some people are saying how badly hamstrung we've been by the rules when in actual fact we've still been able to invest £750m on new players since 2022. I think that's very significant.

 

 

Edited April 13 by Wallsendmag

[dcmk]

2 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

I'm pointing it out because some people are saying how badly hamstrung we've been by the rules when in actual fact we've still been able to invest £750m on new players since 2022. I think that's very significant.

 

 

 

The net amount is the only useful figure.

 

Gross is misleading.

[Kid Icarus]

11 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

You brought Man City into the argument saying we can't compete with their spending power and I agreed.

 

I just simply pointed out that since PIF bought NUFC our net spend is greater than theirs, that's all.

You joined in a message chain where someone else brought up Man City.  Either way, doesn't matter.

 

Of course their net spend is lower, as I say they start at the 80m line in a 100m race every season.

 

When PIF came here Man City already had one of the best and most expensive squads in the world. No overhaul was needed.

 

They've had years of unlimited spending to hoover up the talent for their academy and squad, which they can then sell on.

 

Meanwhile when PIF came in we were at the 0m line, one of the worst squads in the league, no saleable assets, no profitable academy, and a huge gap to make up. Adjusted for inflation what we've spent is crumbs compared to their first few years following their takeover. 

 

 

Edited April 13 by Kid Icarus

[Mills and Boon]

5 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

I'm pointing it out because some people are saying how badly hamstrung we've been by the rules when in actual fact we've still been able to invest £750m on new players since 2022. I think that's very significant.

 

 

 

 

What's our wage bill in comparison to the rest of the league? That's a better yardstick to use to compare squads

[Wallsendmag]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

You joined in a message chain where someone else brought up Man City.  Either way, doesn't matter.

 

Of course their net spend is lower, as I say they start at the 80m line in a 100m race every season.

 

When PIF came here Man City already had one of the best and most expensive squads in the world.

 

They've had years of unlimited spending to hoover up the talent for their academy and squad, which they can then sell on.

 

Meanwhile when PIF came in we were at the 0m line, one of the worst squads in the league, no saleable assets, no profitable academy, and a huge gap to make up. Adjusted for inflation what we've spent is crumbs compared to their first few years following their takeover.

 

I'm just moving you away from this narrative that the rules have prevented us from spending big to mount a challenge towards the upper reaches of the table. Our net spend in the last 5 years is only bettered by 4 other clubs. Then you have the likes of Villa who genuinely have been handicapped by the rules who are over £550m behind us for net spend.

 

Whilst I agree that we're financially miles off the likes of Man City, and you are correct to point out the massive head start they've got on us, for what we've spent we should be doing much better than 14th place and so many sub par performances. That's not really up for debate.

[Mills and Boon]

Nobody is saying we should be happy with 14th place. WTF?

[Wallsendmag]

Just now, Mills and Boon said:

Nobody is saying we should be happy with 14th place. WTF?

 

Which is why the mangers position, and the job he's currently doing is rightly being called into question. Jeez 

[Mills and Boon]

Bringing Villa into it also underlines the point that they had income generating assets where we didn't

[gdm]

Mad how quickly things change. Half way in to season people on here were panicking Liverpool would come in for EH

 

he deserves and should get the summer to go away and work on different things and sort this mess out. 

[Mills and Boon]

1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Which is why the mangers position, and the job he's currently doing is rightly being called into question. Jeez 

 

Is anyone saying you can't question the manager?

 

Is it state the obvious day or something?

[Wallsendmag]

Just now, Mills and Boon said:

 

Is anyone saying you can't question the manager?

 

Is it state the obvious day or something?

 

Yes some people are. Read the last few pages