Lenny Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I havent really been paying much attention to West Ham so I was just wondering if anyone could shed any light on why both of them have not worked out. Mascherano has recently said he wants to leave and has Tevez even scored for them!?! Have they been given a fair crack and played shit or are they not being given a chance? Also, since we may well need a CM and a ST would they be worth the risk to us? I dont think they can actually leave this window since they have been at 2 clubs in a year. Sorry if this has been discussed earlier! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Been used as scapegoats. Simple as that really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heero Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 they are there to warm up the bench or something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Mascherano has looked pretty poor in the admittedly fleeting appearances I've seen him play in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Been used as scapegoats. Simple as that really. that sounds most likely to me, this whole situation is a bit odd really, right from the start. My mate supports West Ham and he was over the moon (rightfully) when they signed! its just really strange how its turned out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Mascherano looks a bit lightweight to play there in the Prem. Tevez has looked better recently. No chance of either ending up here though imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Mascherano has looked pretty poor in the admittedly fleeting appearances I've seen him play in. A lot of Prem teams just dont have the patience with players nowadays it seems, basically the same situation as luque Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geordie_mafia Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 tevez was a boy wonder during the worlds cup, a think its the english weather or the mentality of the english games, a wouldnt mind seeing riquelme in the premiership he would be wicked Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Upset the applecart totally - bring in 2 players who are likely on a different planet in terms of wages and it will no doubt bring disquiet in the dressing room. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Mascherano has looked pretty poor in the admittedly fleeting appearances I've seen him play in. A lot of Prem teams just dont have the patience with players nowadays it seems, basically the same situation as luque No, the Luque situation is completely different tongue.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 tevez was a boy wonder during the worlds cup, a think its the english weather or the mentality of the english games, a wouldnt mind seeing riquelme in the premiership he would be wicked i personally would have thought tevez would be able to handle the prem better than riquelme, tevez just steamrollered through people in the wc, a good attribute to have in the prem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Upset the applecart totally - bring in 2 players who are likely on a different planet in terms of wages and it will no doubt bring disquiet in the dressing room. but is that their fault, should they not be given a chance because of this factor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Mascherano has looked pretty poor in the admittedly fleeting appearances I've seen him play in. A lot of Prem teams just dont have the patience with players nowadays it seems, basically the same situation as luque No, the Luque situation is completely different tongue.gif well to be fair there is no situation like the luque situation!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I had a feeling they may fail spectacularly simply because south americans have a very poor record in England. However, I think they also haven't been given a fair chance either. My mate is a big west ham fan and is very frustrated at the lack of opportunities. It may have something to do with the complicated nature of their transfer and the fact the club was then bought out by a different owner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I had a feeling they may fail spectacularly simply because south americans have a very poor record in England. However, I think they also haven't been given a fair chance either. My mate is a big west ham fan and is very frustrated at the lack of opportunities. It may have something to do with the complicated nature of their transfer and the fact the club was then bought out by a different owner. there is only one south american that springs to mind that havent been a failure! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I had a feeling they may fail spectacularly simply because south americans have a very poor record in England. However, I think they also haven't been given a fair chance either. My mate is a big west ham fan and is very frustrated at the lack of opportunities. It may have something to do with the complicated nature of their transfer and the fact the club was then bought out by a different owner. there is only one south american that springs to mind that havent been a failure! There's been a few, but you could probably count them on one hand. Juninho, Solano, Heinze, Asprilla spring to mind as players who have excelled here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geordie_mafia Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 solano by any chance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I had a feeling they may fail spectacularly simply because south americans have a very poor record in England. However, I think they also haven't been given a fair chance either. My mate is a big west ham fan and is very frustrated at the lack of opportunities. It may have something to do with the complicated nature of their transfer and the fact the club was then bought out by a different owner. there is only one south american that springs to mind that havent been a failure! Fumaca? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I had a feeling they may fail spectacularly simply because south americans have a very poor record in England. However, I think they also haven't been given a fair chance either. My mate is a big west ham fan and is very frustrated at the lack of opportunities. It may have something to do with the complicated nature of their transfer and the fact the club was then bought out by a different owner. there is only one south american that springs to mind that havent been a failure! There's been a few, but you could probably count them on one hand. Juninho, Solano, Heinze, Asprilla spring to mind as players who have excelled here. Much as I liked him, he didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Tevez has been played out of position (when actually given a go) and Mascherano hardly gets a game at all. It must be some of the worst player management ever, to be in the shit and have two such quality players not getting a go. They've also been made scapegoats, and are tainted with the failed takeover bid, which is just ridiculous. I shall believe otherwise when someone convinces me that Bobby Zamora is a better bet up front than Carlos Tevez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I had a feeling they may fail spectacularly simply because south americans have a very poor record in England. However, I think they also haven't been given a fair chance either. My mate is a big west ham fan and is very frustrated at the lack of opportunities. It may have something to do with the complicated nature of their transfer and the fact the club was then bought out by a different owner. there is only one south american that springs to mind that havent been a failure! Fumaca? and to think that idiot above said solano! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rafa Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Mascherano has looked pretty poor in the admittedly fleeting appearances I've seen him play in. very fleeting indeed, what is it, about 10 minutes football since October! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 None of us knows what has gone on behind the scenes or even how they really ended up at West Ham but I find it a bit suspicious the lack of opportunities either player has had, particularly Mascherano who doesn't even make the bench these days. There is definitely more to this than meets the eye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geordie_mafia Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 there is only one south american that springs to mind that havent been a failure! There's been a few, but you could probably count them on one hand. Juninho, Solano, Heinze, Asprilla spring to mind as players who have excelled here. i agree like tino was a legend , remember jardiniho and ozzie ardilles they were wkd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bellers Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 None of us knows what has gone on behind the scenes or even how they really ended up at West Ham but I find it a bit suspicious the lack of opportunities either player has had, particularly Mascherano who doesn't even make the bench these days. There is definitely more to this than meets the eye. It no doubt has something to do with the compny who were trying to buy West Ham out. They own the two players so they probably have a massive amount of say what happens to the two players which doesn't bode well if there 's still sour grapes regarding the takeover... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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