Juve In For Martins.

[Guest Gemmill]

Love how quick some of our fans like to write our players off.

 

Pathetic, if you ask me.

 

Yeah no one should point out serious deficiencies in a player's game.  It's tantamount to writing them off.

 

Have a word with yourself ffs.

[Cajun]

Love how quick some of our fans like to write our players off.

 

Pathetic, if you ask me.

 

Yeah no one should point out serious deficiencies in a player's game.  It's tantamount to writing them off.

 

Have a word with yourself ffs.

 

People claiming we should get our money back at the first opportunity suggests they are writing him off tbf.

[Syrette]

Love how quick some of our fans like to write our players off.

 

Pathetic, if you ask me.

 

Yeah no one should point out serious deficiencies in a player's game.  It's tantamount to writing them off.

 

Have a word with yourself ffs.

 

Exactly where the fuck did I say I had a problem with people pointing out flaws?

 

In my opinion it is the zealous desire of some to get rid as soon as possible, that I don't understand. Some on here point out his flaws and leave it at that, but many just completely write him off and express their desire for him to leave. To each their own. I don't have an issue at all with people pointing out flaws in our players, but I do think it's a bit unfair that so many aren't willing to let the player (in this case, Martins) have a chance to eradicate them, especially given the circumstances in this case (new manager, only 22, only just finished his first season).

[Guest Gemmill]

Love how quick some of our fans like to write our players off.

 

Pathetic, if you ask me.

 

Yeah no one should point out serious deficiencies in a player's game.  It's tantamount to writing them off.

 

Have a word with yourself ffs.

 

People claiming we should get our money back at the first opportunity suggests they are writing him off tbf.

 

I'd sooner cash in on a player that I recognise is missing some pretty vital parts to his game than try and gloss over his deficiencies tbh.  These are fundamental gaps that he might never be able to improve on - he's 22 ffs, wouldn't you expect him to be able to control a football pretty much at will?  His touch isn't just average or variable, it's really fucking bad.  And he's 22.

[Guest Gemmill]

Love how quick some of our fans like to write our players off.

 

Pathetic, if you ask me.

 

Yeah no one should point out serious deficiencies in a player's game.  It's tantamount to writing them off.

 

Have a word with yourself ffs.

 

Exactly where the fuck did I say I had a problem with people pointing out flaws?

 

In my opinion it is the zealous desire of some to get rid as soon as possible, that I don't understand. Some on here point out his flaws and leave it at that, but many just completely write him off and express their desire to leave. To each their own. I don't have an issue at all with people pointing out flaws in our players, but I do think it's a bit unfair that so many aren't willing to let the player (in this case) have a chance to eradicate them, especially given the circumstances in this case (new manager, only 22, only just finished his first season).

 

Because people recognise that this might be the one chance we have to get our money back/make a profit on the player.  As he plays more games, and if he doesn't improve, word is going to get out that he's not even worth £10m, never mind anything north of that.  Don't believe the shit you read on here about OMG OBAZ FUCKUN CLASS!111.  It's just not true.

[Guest alex]

You can't eradicate a poor first touch at the age of 22. Never going to happen.

[Syrette]

Love how quick some of our fans like to write our players off.

 

Pathetic, if you ask me.

 

Yeah no one should point out serious deficiencies in a player's game.  It's tantamount to writing them off.

 

Have a word with yourself ffs.

 

Exactly where the fuck did I say I had a problem with people pointing out flaws?

 

In my opinion it is the zealous desire of some to get rid as soon as possible, that I don't understand. Some on here point out his flaws and leave it at that, but many just completely write him off and express their desire to leave. To each their own. I don't have an issue at all with people pointing out flaws in our players, but I do think it's a bit unfair that so many aren't willing to let the player (in this case) have a chance to eradicate them, especially given the circumstances in this case (new manager, only 22, only just finished his first season).

 

Because people recognise that this might be the one chance we have to get our money back/make a profit on the player.  As he plays more games, and if he doesn't improve, word is going to get out that he's not even worth £10m, never mind anything north of that.  Don't believe the shit you read on here about OMG OBAZ FUCKUN CLASS!111.  It's just not true.

 

In your opinion.

 

If Martins stays and scores 20+ goals next year, will you still want him out if at the end of the day you can still see his deficiencies?

[Ericz]

If we are a club with ambition, then we won't be selling off our younger stars with potential.

 

Period.

 

 

Regards,

Ericz.

[Cajun]

In your opinion, to be fair I think the fact you made up your mind almost straight away on Martins and that has clouded your judgement. The same way people cannot acknowledge Bramble ever having a good game because he is "the worst defender in the league, ever".

 

 

[junkhead]

f****** hell man, because the lad plays well in 20 minute bursts after he's scored a goal, we should be knocking back £15m bids for him, and ignoring the rest of the time when he's, if you'll pardon my French, pretty f****** average.

what did you expect from Martins robot head?

to score 30 goals with Sibierski and Dyer as striking partners? to never lose possession when 90% of the time the ball was played to his feet with the whole opposition defense in front of him?

yes, Martins' first touch is often bad, cause he's under pressure and he rushes himself and his vision might not be the best but even if we bought fucking Leo Messi instead, i doubt he would've performed any better in Roeder's team.

[Guest Gemmill]

Love how quick some of our fans like to write our players off.

 

Pathetic, if you ask me.

 

Yeah no one should point out serious deficiencies in a player's game.  It's tantamount to writing them off.

 

Have a word with yourself ffs.

 

Exactly where the fuck did I say I had a problem with people pointing out flaws?

 

In my opinion it is the zealous desire of some to get rid as soon as possible, that I don't understand. Some on here point out his flaws and leave it at that, but many just completely write him off and express their desire to leave. To each their own. I don't have an issue at all with people pointing out flaws in our players, but I do think it's a bit unfair that so many aren't willing to let the player (in this case) have a chance to eradicate them, especially given the circumstances in this case (new manager, only 22, only just finished his first season).

 

Because people recognise that this might be the one chance we have to get our money back/make a profit on the player.  As he plays more games, and if he doesn't improve, word is going to get out that he's not even worth £10m, never mind anything north of that.  Don't believe the shit you read on here about OMG OBAZ FUCKUN CLASS!111.  It's just not true.

 

In your opinion.

 

If Martins stays and scores 20+ goals next year, will you still want him out if at the end of the day you can still see his deficiencies?

 

We're not in Europe next season so I doubt Martins will be scoring 20+ goals.  If we have the same ratio of poor performances to good next season, then yeah, I think we need to get rid.  Only by that stage, word will be out and we'll not be getting £10m for him.

[Guest alex]

I love it when people signed off their posts like

Cheers,

Alex

[Guest NUFCnutter]

What people seem to forget is that Martins has not had a consistant strike partner at the toon last season. It takes a while for foreigners to settle in the premiership at times, and I would prefer to see how he copes next season with Sam at the helm. Martins has scored 17 goals last season, not a bad haul considering how poor we did play.

[Guest Gemmill]

f****** hell man, because the lad plays well in 20 minute bursts after he's scored a goal, we should be knocking back £15m bids for him, and ignoring the rest of the time when he's, if you'll pardon my French, pretty f****** average.

what did you expect from Martins robot head?

to score 30 goals with Sibierski and Dyer as striking partners? to never lose possession when 90% of the time the ball was played to his feet with the whole opposition defense in front of him?

yes, Martins' first touch is often bad, cause he's under pressure and he rushes himself and his vision might not be the best but even if we bought fucking Leo Messi instead, i doubt he would've performed any better in Roeder's team.

 

Aye it's all Roeder's fault.  Martins' movement and his inability to control a football are both attributable to Glenn Roeder.

[Guest shaun11177]

oh what rubbish didnt everyone say that Drogbas 1st touch was lousy last season.

If the bloke scores 20 goals a season i really have no interest what he is doing the rest of the time.

 

[Guest alex]

f****** hell man, because the lad plays well in 20 minute bursts after he's scored a goal, we should be knocking back £15m bids for him, and ignoring the rest of the time when he's, if you'll pardon my French, pretty f****** average.

what did you expect from Martins robot head?

to score 30 goals with Sibierski and Dyer as striking partners? to never lose possession when 90% of the time the ball was played to his feet with the whole opposition defense in front of him?

yes, Martins' first touch is often bad, cause he's under pressure and he rushes himself and his vision might not be the best but even if we bought fucking Leo Messi instead, i doubt he would've performed any better in Roeder's team.

Are you comparing Martins to Messi btw?

[Syrette]

Love how quick some of our fans like to write our players off.

 

Pathetic, if you ask me.

 

Yeah no one should point out serious deficiencies in a player's game.  It's tantamount to writing them off.

 

Have a word with yourself ffs.

 

Exactly where the fuck did I say I had a problem with people pointing out flaws?

 

In my opinion it is the zealous desire of some to get rid as soon as possible, that I don't understand. Some on here point out his flaws and leave it at that, but many just completely write him off and express their desire to leave. To each their own. I don't have an issue at all with people pointing out flaws in our players, but I do think it's a bit unfair that so many aren't willing to let the player (in this case) have a chance to eradicate them, especially given the circumstances in this case (new manager, only 22, only just finished his first season).

 

Because people recognise that this might be the one chance we have to get our money back/make a profit on the player.  As he plays more games, and if he doesn't improve, word is going to get out that he's not even worth £10m, never mind anything north of that.  Don't believe the shit you read on here about OMG OBAZ FUCKUN CLASS!111.  It's just not true.

 

In your opinion.

 

If Martins stays and scores 20+ goals next year, will you still want him out if at the end of the day you can still see his deficiencies?

 

We're not in Europe next season so I doubt Martins will be scoring 20+ goals.  If we have the same ratio of poor performances to good next season, then yeah, I think we need to get rid.  Only by that stage, word will be out and we'll not be getting £10m for him.

 

But if Martins scores 20+ goals next year, and you still notice his deficiencies, would you still want to get rid?

[Guest Gemmill]

In your opinion, to be fair I think the fact you made up your mind almost straight away on Martins and that has clouded your judgement. The same way people cannot acknowledge Bramble ever having a good game because he is "the worst defender in the league, ever".

 

 

 

Made my mind up about what?  Clouded my judgement about what?  What I said from day one was that his touch and movement looked suspicious.  What Martins has done over the season has proved me right.  My judgement of his touch and movement haven't changed because his touch and movement haven't changed.

 

And you're talking bollocks if you're suggesting I've said he's never had a good game, or that I won't concede that he does from time to time.  Him or Bramble.  I'm reasonable enough to concede when he plays well, in fact I fucking rejoice in him playing well.  Doesn't do it all that often though does he?

[Guest NUFCnutter]

How many times last year was the ball lumped up in the air to him? AT 5ft 7 he is never going to excell at that type of game and I think if Sam can work on the lad's first touch and get a regular strike partnership set up then we will see a lot more goals from him.

[Guest Gemmill]

Love how quick some of our fans like to write our players off.

 

Pathetic, if you ask me.

 

Yeah no one should point out serious deficiencies in a player's game.  It's tantamount to writing them off.

 

Have a word with yourself ffs.

 

Exactly where the fuck did I say I had a problem with people pointing out flaws?

 

In my opinion it is the zealous desire of some to get rid as soon as possible, that I don't understand. Some on here point out his flaws and leave it at that, but many just completely write him off and express their desire to leave. To each their own. I don't have an issue at all with people pointing out flaws in our players, but I do think it's a bit unfair that so many aren't willing to let the player (in this case) have a chance to eradicate them, especially given the circumstances in this case (new manager, only 22, only just finished his first season).

 

Because people recognise that this might be the one chance we have to get our money back/make a profit on the player.  As he plays more games, and if he doesn't improve, word is going to get out that he's not even worth £10m, never mind anything north of that.  Don't believe the shit you read on here about OMG OBAZ FUCKUN CLASS!111.  It's just not true.

 

In your opinion.

 

If Martins stays and scores 20+ goals next year, will you still want him out if at the end of the day you can still see his deficiencies?

 

We're not in Europe next season so I doubt Martins will be scoring 20+ goals.  If we have the same ratio of poor performances to good next season, then yeah, I think we need to get rid.  Only by that stage, word will be out and we'll not be getting £10m for him.

 

But if Martins scores 20+ goals next year, and you still notice his deficiencies, would you still want to get rid?

 

Do you want to keep asking stupid questions?  Shall we up it to 30 goals?  How about the Golden Boot?

[Cajun]

In your opinion, to be fair I think the fact you made up your mind almost straight away on Martins and that has clouded your judgement. The same way people cannot acknowledge Bramble ever having a good game because he is "the worst defender in the league, ever".

 

 

 

Made my mind up about what?  Clouded my judgement about what?  What I said from day one was that his touch and movement looked suspicious.  What Martins has done over the season has proved me right.  My judgement of his touch and movement haven't changed because his touch and movement haven't changed.

 

And you're talking bollocks if you're suggesting I've said he's never had a good game, or that I won't concede that he does from time to time.  Him or Bramble.  I'm reasonable enough to concede when he plays well, in fact I fucking rejoice in him playing well.  Doesn't do it all that often though does he?

 

I seem to remember you being quite quiet on the matter when Martins was going through his good spell this season.

[Guest alex]

How many times last year was the ball lumped up in the air to him? AT 5ft 7 he is never going to excell at that type of game and I think if Sam can work on the lad's first touch and get a regular strike partnership set up then we will see a lot more goals from him.

We haven't played to his strengths, he's never had a decent partner and the team has struggled. So, all in all he did ok. The bit about his first touch shows a complete lack of understanding about football though imo. Sorry.

[Guest NUFCnutter]

How many times last year was the ball lumped up in the air to him? AT 5ft 7 he is never going to excell at that type of game and I think if Sam can work on the lad's first touch and get a regular strike partnership set up then we will see a lot more goals from him.

We haven't played to his strengths, he's never had a decent partner and the team has struggled. So, all in all he did ok. The bit about his first touch shows a complete lack of understanding about football though imo. Sorry.

How many times last year was the ball lumped up in the air to him? AT 5ft 7 he is never going to excell at that type of game and I think if Sam can work on the lad's first touch and get a regular strike partnership set up then we will see a lot more goals from him.

We haven't played to his strengths, he's never had a decent partner and the team has struggled. So, all in all he did ok. The bit about his first touch shows a complete lack of understanding about football though imo. Sorry.

 

Whatever! So lets sell him then? Bollox

[Syrette]

Love how quick some of our fans like to write our players off.

 

Pathetic, if you ask me.

 

Yeah no one should point out serious deficiencies in a player's game.  It's tantamount to writing them off.

 

Have a word with yourself ffs.

 

Exactly where the fuck did I say I had a problem with people pointing out flaws?

 

In my opinion it is the zealous desire of some to get rid as soon as possible, that I don't understand. Some on here point out his flaws and leave it at that, but many just completely write him off and express their desire to leave. To each their own. I don't have an issue at all with people pointing out flaws in our players, but I do think it's a bit unfair that so many aren't willing to let the player (in this case) have a chance to eradicate them, especially given the circumstances in this case (new manager, only 22, only just finished his first season).

 

Because people recognise that this might be the one chance we have to get our money back/make a profit on the player.  As he plays more games, and if he doesn't improve, word is going to get out that he's not even worth £10m, never mind anything north of that.  Don't believe the shit you read on here about OMG OBAZ FUCKUN CLASS!111.  It's just not true.

 

In your opinion.

 

If Martins stays and scores 20+ goals next year, will you still want him out if at the end of the day you can still see his deficiencies?

 

We're not in Europe next season so I doubt Martins will be scoring 20+ goals.  If we have the same ratio of poor performances to good next season, then yeah, I think we need to get rid.  Only by that stage, word will be out and we'll not be getting £10m for him.

 

But if Martins scores 20+ goals next year, and you still notice his deficiencies, would you still want to get rid?

 

Do you want to keep asking stupid questions?  Shall we up it to 30 goals?  How about the Golden Boot?

 

How is it stupid? Why can't you answer it? Yes, or no?

 

What do you value more? A decent performance over 90, without scoring, or a poor performance over 90, with a goal (or 2)? What's more important to you?

[Belfast Boy]

To those who are wanting Martins sold, are you expecting Owen to stay? And if so, what happens next summer if he refuses to sign a new contract with only 1 year left. We currently have a huge amount of players to bring in just to get back to having a threadbare squad like we had last season. Until that is done I would be very against selling any first team or even regular squad players.