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I don't understand, I can't possibly comprehend, how Souness' statement about now having a 'proper' left-sided player matches up to Luque. Did he actually see this lad play? If he thought Robert was half-arsed then what did he see in this idiot? He's even less motivated and has, from what we've seen so far, about a tenth of his quality. This is the same bloke who bought Faye, who bought Boumsong, who bought Parker and Emre expecting them to be a good CM pairing......

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There are two takes on this....... 1. There are those who said last season he was a striker because they saw him for Deportivo on some kind of video clip. 2. There is Souness, who said he had now signed a 'proper' player for the left when he signed Luque. The clear implication being that he was a replacement for Laurent Robert. Not sure who to believe actually, they're all equally thick, tbh. He's played for us both on the left and as a striker and he's been shit regardless.

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Aye, ok.

You pinched the DVD as well then.....

You obviously weren't reading this forum when Souness was appointed, were you?? I was, most thought he was a poor appointment. Many backed him and gave him a chance whilst knowing he'd be shit. Wrong. Many people thought he was the man to sort out the supposed trouble makers in the club, to rid the club of the cancers. It took a long, long time for many people to accept he was shite. Your memory is playing tricks on you but those who were against him either from the very start or within a month or two don't forget the abuse thrown around for suggesting he should be sacked. Anyway, with the exception of Souness the present Board has appointed successive managers based on excellent CV's. You can tell me now how you would set about selecting a manager. Thanks.

I haven't gone down any road, mate. I just don't think there is any similarity at all between the contributions of L Robert and A Luque. Zero. I can't see it. I never believed he was a lazy bastard, he became disenchanted with Souness like everybody else did, but I recall how he turned the performances of the team around when Souness did start to select him. He became hacked off again after one poor display ( again when the team performed badly ) caused Souness to make him the scapegoat. The bottom line for me is that Robert was a very good player for us for the majority of his time at the club. Luque has so far done absolutely nowt at all and because of his shit attitude is unlikely to do anything either. For the merry sake of Jesus, I never claimed there was any similarity between the contributions, I swear I didn't. I compared them technically and positionally and in a few other ways, but I never mentioned anything about contribution in the posts you took exception to. I'm not quite that daft. That's all I was upset about, you've argued with something I had never implied in the first place. We share exactly the same opinion about how good Robert was and how bad Luque has been, that's not in question, all I've done is try and offer up some balanced reasons about why Luque has been so bad for people to discuss. Yet you called my original post ridiculous and then compared me to HTT! Surely you can see why that would wind me up... especially the latter one, I mean howay, low blow or what? :wink: Andy, calm down man. I haven't taken exception to anything you've posted. If you didn't say what I thought you did then ok, I apologise. I take the point that Souness got rid of Robert because he thought he was a lazy bastard and has replaced him with a player who turns out to really be a lazy bastard. I realise now the comparison to grassroots was way below the belt, I understand I'm risking a ban for a couple of days for posting such a thing, or even a permanent IP ban come to think of it. I'm really sorry about that one. It's no bother, I'm not an admin these days anyway so I wouldn't be the one to enforce it :wink: And anyway, did you realise you've just posted something civil... borderline canny!? You'll be doing your reputation on here all sorts of damage with that one, should have stuck it in a PM. I appreciate it though, mate. Just glad I don't disagree with you on much else! But aye, everyone else, I reckon Luque should be sold and replaced ASAP, he's obviously never going to make it. Put that in your pipes and smoke it! Especially you, SLK... Doctors appointment next week then. Must be developing a split personality, or something. :winking:

You obviously weren't reading this forum when Souness was appointed, were you??

Never do answer questions, do you mate.........

I haven't gone down any road, mate. I just don't think there is any similarity at all between the contributions of L Robert and A Luque. Zero. I can't see it. I never believed he was a lazy bastard, he became disenchanted with Souness like everybody else did, but I recall how he turned the performances of the team around when Souness did start to select him. He became hacked off again after one poor display ( again when the team performed badly ) caused Souness to make him the scapegoat. The bottom line for me is that Robert was a very good player for us for the majority of his time at the club. Luque has so far done absolutely nowt at all and because of his shit attitude is unlikely to do anything either. For the merry sake of Jesus, I never claimed there was any similarity between the contributions, I swear I didn't. I compared them technically and positionally and in a few other ways, but I never mentioned anything about contribution in the posts you took exception to. I'm not quite that daft. That's all I was upset about, you've argued with something I had never implied in the first place. We share exactly the same opinion about how good Robert was and how bad Luque has been, that's not in question, all I've done is try and offer up some balanced reasons about why Luque has been so bad for people to discuss. Yet you called my original post ridiculous and then compared me to HTT! Surely you can see why that would wind me up... especially the latter one, I mean howay, low blow or what? :wink: Andy, calm down man. I haven't taken exception to anything you've posted. If you didn't say what I thought you did then ok, I apologise. I take the point that Souness got rid of Robert because he thought he was a lazy bastard and has replaced him with a player who turns out to really be a lazy bastard. I realise now the comparison to grassroots was way below the belt, I understand I'm risking a ban for a couple of days for posting such a thing, or even a permanent IP ban come to think of it. I'm really sorry about that one.

This post may as all admit that I'm right as it has no reasonable response. They make money because they cash in on the sheep, of which you're clearly one of the flock. They then, unlike other clubs with resources this big, waste it by giving it to an incapable manager, because they are too fucking stupid to appoint a good one in the first place. How can you be right, you weren't there, you weren't even alive in the 1960's and 70's, and a bairn in the 1980's [or correct me if this is not true], how can you speak from experience, how can you know what those eras are like, shame but I think you are one of the [blind] sheep...and reading the wrong books obviously must be the ones written by Mick and endorsed by Grassroots .... brilliant. You couldn't make this up ... thompers the expert on Newcastle United in an era before he was born .... priceless .. What the **** have the 60s and 70s got to do with now? The resources available are different, the club is different, because of Sir John Hall. Fred inheritted a club different to that of the 60s and 70s... SO HOW THE **** IS THE 60S AND 70S REMOTELY RELEVENT? It was a level playing field for ALL clubs, thompers. The club always had massive potential just waiting to be tapped but it wasn't tapped until SJH arrived and this has been carried on by the present Board. Unfortunately the present Board have been as unlucky with the appointment of Souness as SJH was lucky with the appointment of Keegan. And that appointment was luck, it could have easily gone pear shaped. Are you suggesting that the 60's and 70's were different only for Newcastle, that we were shit for decades because other clubs had the same resources they have now...........?

I haven't gone down any road, mate. I just don't think there is any similarity at all between the contributions of L Robert and A Luque. Zero. I can't see it. I never believed he was a lazy bastard, he became disenchanted with Souness like everybody else did, but I recall how he turned the performances of the team around when Souness did start to select him. He became hacked off again after one poor display ( again when the team performed badly ) caused Souness to make him the scapegoat. The bottom line for me is that Robert was a very good player for us for the majority of his time at the club. Luque has so far done absolutely nowt at all and because of his shit attitude is unlikely to do anything either.

How many times in the previous 3-4 decades isn't relevant, what's relevant is that the previous chairman moved the club from the lower reaches of the 2nd division to 2nd top of the premiership, Shepherd has taken the club backwards, fact. I can't give an answer to your 2nd question as I can't find all of the transfer fees in and out. Why don't you go and find them and then I'll have more chance of answering it? You don't need to find all of the in/out transfer fees to show whether or not the club is a selling club. You need to look at the timings of the departures of some players and who was brought in to replace them. You don't have to come up with a definitive list of every player bought and sold for years. :roll:

From open play I don't remember Robert offering as much as people make out, his dribbling was atrocious and he often passed poorly or lost posession, in his early days (as Nut says) he was a lot better from open play, but for the most part his threat came from set-pieces, first-time crosses and long-shots. I was still a huge fan of his, though, and he did brilliantly in a hell of a lot of games for us. I'm no Luque fan either, he frustrates me as much as anyone, but all I'm trying to do is to make people see things from a balanced perspective instead of having double standards: do you think Robert would have been half-as effective played as a lone striker, or paired with the likes of Ameobi/Milner/an ageing Shearer? In the game against Man Utd a half-fit Luque looked a very similar sort of player to Robert (evidence can be seen via NUFC.co.uk and reading match reports), he put in some good balls, took set-pieces and had a couple of difficult chances at the back-post, also had a goal rightly disallowed, but his contribution from open-play was generally poor (too much dwelling, ala Robert) - but then it all went horribly wrong and for whatever reason he's never looked like recovering his form and probably never will now that Zoggy and Duff are around. It's easy to say he's "crap", but there are mitigating factors about it - he can't have just turned shite overnight. What's happened to you, Andy? I can only think that grassroots has taken over your login.........

In "one of the most ridiculous things I've read" (:wink:) you later argued with something that wasn't there - after someone else took the responsibility of explaining to you what they thought my post meant and you took that as Gospel because you couldn't be arsed to wait for my explanation. What are you on about, ducking questions? You said that Souness let a player ( Robert ) go for near nowt and then brought in quite probably the nearest thing to him ( Luque ). I think that's bollocks. If you think it's bollocks too then why are you making out that the two players are similar. " The nearest thing to him for the same price " means what exactly? Already explained this, like... I was talking about style of play, in that Luque is supposedly a left-winger, who doesn't fancy defending much and who has crossing and shooting as his two major strengths, sound familiar? Robert wasn't that great at dribbling and his first touch wasn't that great, which is also very similar to Luque. Despite what they have/haven't offered you're telling me that Robert and Luque aren't similar players when they're on the football pitch in how they play/try to play the game, respectively? I thought you'd be able to tell from the tone of my post and what I said about Souness that I didn't think it was a good move, but obviously not. Other similarities I could offer are that they both joined in August in the region of £10M, are foreign, are left-footed, both set-piece takers, play the same role on the pitch, joined from the leagues their country of origin and have become outcasts of their national teams. All that bollocks as well? My point was that Souness was daft enough to sell Robert for nothing and replace him with Luque for a bomb (which is exactly what happened), which has turned out to be like selling a Gibson and replacing him with an Epiphone copy of a Gibson: a poor version of what we already had, but nontheless an attempted replica, because the Scotsman knew how much Robert's style of play added to the team - but he'd be fucked if he was going to put up with Wor Laurent off the pitch... For whatever reason, Luque hasn't had anywhere near the same impact, some people will blame the injury he got, or him being played out of position and others will just say it's because he can't be arsed/doesn't have the bottle - or maybe he's just not that good (which history would apparently deny.) At the end of the day, though, he still plays the game like Robert did and it would be far more noticeable if we saw him on the left-flank (like he played against Man Utd that one time), but this isn't going to happen with Duff and N'Zogbia here - and I'd pick them ahead of him every time anyway. Despite his brilliance there were days when Robert was just as bad as Luque has been for us so far - surely that is undeniable, which does lend credence to the theory that Luque "might" improve if he's played in his correct position, Robert might have struggled just as much being played up-front, but probably not. But aye, still don't know how you read into that what you did after the rest of my post had explained my point. There is no similarity between Laurent Robert and Luque. Also, when Souness signed Luque he said he had signed a 'proper' player for the left, which indicates he wasn't expecting Luque to be a hearltess heap of shite. Also, I'd say that over half of the people on here who bang on about Luque claim he's a striker, or at least that he's not an out and out wide man but someone who 'performs' in a kind of left sided striker mode. Whatever that is....... No similarity at all.

In "one of the most ridiculous things I've read" (:wink:) you later argued with something that wasn't there - after someone else took the responsibility of explaining to you what they thought my post meant and you took that as Gospel because you couldn't be arsed to wait for my explanation. What are you on about, ducking questions? You said that Souness let a player ( Robert ) go for near nowt and then brought in quite probably the nearest thing to him ( Luque ). I think that's bollocks. If you think it's bollocks too then why are you making out that the two players are similar. " The nearest thing to him for the same price " means what exactly?

He doesn't have the attributes to be a man in the PL would be more accurate. Apology accepted. Eh?

He doesn't have the attributes to be a man in the PL would be more accurate.

Well aye, but it's just such an incredible thing to say. I know not everybody rated Robert but he produced for this club. He had his problems with Souness, but even when that twat was manager Robert changed the way we played when he was eventually selected. Some people have bloody short memories. Robert scored and created more goals than the rest of the midfield combined, comparing his contribution with that of Luque is one of the most ridiculous things I've read.

I remember one where he let the ball drop over his shoulder and couldn't bring it down. But it'd be harsh to criticise that. He general touch on the ball was excellent, imo. Aye, gross overexaggeration tmonkey from what I saw last night. Thought Milner was pretty good, looked extremely lively and he was involved in a lot of what we did right. That freekick was a pearler, as well. As for Luque, I really can't be arsed to debate on a grandiose level because no fucker ever changes their opinions/listens anyway so it'd be a complete waste of time, but I thought he was played out of position last night and suffered because of it. However, that doesn't account for the numerous shoddy passes and miscontrols that we saw from him. He did win a few balls in the air against Ndeki mind, and could hardly be criticised for "not trying", I thought he was putting more effort in than I've seen from him so far entirely. Still not convinced he'll make it, but I hope he does - although I can't see him getting near a game in his preferred position, which is a real shame. He's obviously not a shite player but on the other hand he's hardly some technical wizard, like others are making him out to be - and he's not all that quick, either. He's similar to Robert in that shooting/crossing is his real strength (haven't really seen it yet, like), but technically he's not brilliant: touch, dribbling, control, etc. I still maintain that he could be useful when played in his correct position, but it will never happen because of N'Zogbia, Duff and now Martins being at the club. The biggest laugh for me is that Souness let a £9.5m player go for near nowt and then brought in quite probably the nearest thing to him for the same fucking price. What a fucking joke that Magnum PI c*nt is. Eh? What the hell are you on about here?

How bad does Luque have to get for his rent boys to admit he doesn't give a shite about playing for us?

Luque ..... a striker? If ever it was clear that this bloke isn't a striker it was last night, against a pub team, anarl.

Thinking of making that my signature. Clearly shows the level of ignorance of some people when it comes to football.

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