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25 games=6 goals for Kluivert Ah right, so you use 17 goals for Martins (ie, his UEFA Cup goals too), but ignore Kluivert's (not forgetting his FA Cup goals). That's fair. You must have expected an idiotic response. The record book states he played 25 games and scored 13 goals. Not bad.

I once listened to a 5 minute interview from Michael Ricketts on John Barnes' Football show talking in length about the techniques Big Sam used to turn him from a lower league player at Wallsall to an England player in the space of a few years and he talked about attention to detail in analysing his game and performances in training, pre and post match, technical coaches appointed to work on his and others' games and by instilling a real hunger and thirst for learning and knowledge. Now Ricketts was always a poor player, but for one season he was immense and that was all down to coaching and an appettitie to work hard to improve. Apply those methods to someone with Martins' talents... Fine, but you can't teach vision and awareness.

Now there's someone who isn't a fan of Martins. For one thing, atleast Martins has actually been on the fucking field for more than half the season. Tbf, Kluivert should have played lots of matches up front with Bellamy but shithead didn't have the balls to drop Shearer.

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Yes, good post. He's done ok but he's not as fantastic as some are making out. He has a lot of improving to do, which seems to me to be what people are saying. again you are making things up nobody said he was fantastic. And nobody said he was perfect All we are saying that its stupid to say that at the age of 22 he wont improve the flaws of his game Anybody know where I can find a smiley thing of a toilet with a turd in it and someone pulling a chain?

He has to change his opinion of himself before anyone else will change their opinion of him? What's his opinion of himself? Is he a personal friend? Alright, badly worded post, meant no-one on here will change anyone else's opinion, the only person who can change anyone's opinion on Obafemi Martins, is Obafemi Martins himself. Goes without saying, I guess. FFS, 'twas a joke, man......

Yes, good post. He's done ok but he's not as fantastic as some are making out. He has a lot of improving to do, which seems to me to be what people are saying. Nothing wrong with that to be honest. Nowt wrong with most of my posts, tbh. Check out the last one...

He has to change his opinion of himself before anyone else will change their opinion of him? What's his opinion of himself? Is he a personal friend?

Yes, good post. He's done ok but he's not as fantastic as some are making out. He has a lot of improving to do, which seems to me to be what people are saying.

The trouble with Martins is, the major flaws in his game are things that usually come naturally to players and aren't coached or taught. Bullshit, they can be coached and learned. Unless all footballers are born that way I'm talking about something that comes naturally to players over their development from a young age. Martins doesn't have the same intelligence as the likes of Owen or Berbatov, and he never will. He could spend every day of the next 5 years working with the best coaches on the planet - he won't suddenly grow a good footballing brain. Are you saying Martins doesnt have enough football intelligence??? You can say that about Ameobi mate... But saying that about Martins... fucking wept WUM, tbh. The flaws in Martin's game are obvious to see and a football brain that isn't among the best is definitely one of them.

We have Luque. He's world class.

I very much doubt that any team in the Premiership will sign a 17 goal a season striker this summer for less than 10 million (that isn't on a Bosman of course.) That is the going rate, and Oba has been good value for money. Why don't you stop looking at stats and counting goals, we all know he scored goals and we all know it's important. We're talking about his overall game and that's important as it impacts on the entire team.

The trouble with Martins is, the major flaws in his game are things that usually come naturally to players and aren't coached or taught. Bullshit, they can be coached and learned. Unless all footballers are born that way I'm talking about something that comes naturally to players over their development from a young age. Martins doesn't have the same intelligence as the likes of Owen or Berbatov, and he never will. He could spend every day of the next 5 years working with the best coaches on the planet - he won't suddenly grow a good footballing brain. True. And that's the problem and is why he reminds of Macdonald. He's a bit of a one man band and ultimately if he stays like that he won't be good enough for where we should be aiming.

You're use of English should lead to post moderation. Didn't get the edit done in time, eh......

Who said that, like?

Read somewhere that someone reckoned Andy Cole was Bobby Robson's son. Don't believe it myself. Wasn't Robson a fullback, or something.

Yes, there are. They don't react much to petty bickering, though. Just don't post Youtube clips or fixture lists. Petty bickering? Melanie being all self righteous is important stuff...!

His control is pretty poor and he shows a lack of awareness of what's on around him. These are both worries and need to be improved on if he's to be the answer. His main attribute is his shooting power with either foot and that's why despite his limitations he scored goals last season. Just as well we signed him instead of a CB or a LB.

You could always have made a comment about Craig Moore but you made a decision not to bother. And you did? Nope, you decided to have an immature dig at a younger poster instead. Typical. Err, no. I didn't. I also didn't go on to moan about the thread being ruined, which is what you did. By the way, age doesn't come into anything. You don't like my posts and you pop up all over the place telling the world, so don't get too self righteous about what I posted in this thread. Hold up, I made a small general comment that pretty much was a reply to what Dave said, and then YOU made a comment about me. I wasn't planning saying a thing about or to you until you got personal. Half the posts in this thread aren't related to the topic anyway.

You could always have made a comment about Craig Moore but you made a decision not to bother. And you did? Nope, you decided to have an immature dig at a younger poster instead. Typical. Err, no. I didn't. I also didn't go on to moan about the thread being ruined, which is what you did. By the way, age doesn't come into anything. You don't like my posts and you pop up all over the place telling the world, so don't get too self righteous about what I posted in this thread.

You could always have made a comment about Craig Moore but you made a decision not to bother. For myself, I don't give a toss about where Craig Moore ends up but he's not that bad, so I'd prefer he didn't go to sunderland. If we want to send players to sunderland I'd start with Ramage, Parker and Ameobi.

You are funny I'm rather stupid imo

Care to put some names to that....... Alex,Gemmill... I'll wait for them to confirm that they believe Martins 2 can't improve. Maybe they are as daft as you after all. Apparently he's had the catchafarceico def drummed into him so his first instinct always is to kick the ball away....Just looks like a bad first touch..It's more of a twitch.

Care to put some names to that....... Alex,Gemmill... I'll wait for them to confirm that they believe Martins can't improve. Maybe they are as daft as you after all.

Care to put some names to that.......