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could that not be classed as fraud ?

this would be marked down as internet hearsay by the local press. doubt they'd be interested (and scared of making waves) without proof. would anything show up in the details of the accounts, maybe cross referencing NUFC's and sports directs ?

for those getting sick of the corporate side of things just found this is now on youtube in full. better on the TV screen and it's also available through the virgin youtube thing (can you get youtube on sky ?). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa53HrCJo58

tbf why would any billiuonaire want to buy any football club. what puts thew story off for me is they could buy other premier clubs for a lot less.

you're kidding ? he'd snap their hands off.

It's more their run from now until the beginning of November, though. Sunderland v Arsenal Sat 14 Sep West Brom v Sunderland Sat 21 Sep Sunderland v Peterborough Tue 24 Sep Sunderland v Liverpool Sun 29 Sep Sunderland v Man Utd Sat 5 Oct Swansea v Sunderland Sat 19 Oct Sunderland v Newcastle Sun 27 Oct why stop in early november, after that lot they have hull, stoke and villa away, man city chelsea and spurs at home.

what a shite line.

except those who looked before ashley.

where do you play ben arfa ? surely he's better pushed further up but not as a tsriker ? In the Cazorla/Walcott role coming from the right because arsenal have that lack of mobility in the middle (which we have when tiote plays). There's many problems with Tiote. A lack of mobility is not one of them. it's not ? he's mobile when they have, he's statuesque when we have it. it also drags cabaye further back to get the ball off the defenders as the oppo want us to give it tiote. Nah not really. He's meant to be a DM, where do you want him to run? He often makes the most passes for us when he plays and he always shows for the ball. His issue is not moving the ball quickly enough. Pressuring Tiote into mistakes like Stottie said - is very effective for opponent. There's nothing wrong with having 2 CM's sitting pretty deep. The problem is that we don't have another midfielder or forward that wants to come deep and get the ball to link it up. When you have 2 strikers that want to run away from the ball theres nothing wrong with it, esxpet the playing staff we have don't really lend themselves to it as much as a mobile 4-3-3.

The loan that he seems to want paid off sharpish is the 20 odd million he injected after we went down I think. /we went down because of his mistakes again though obviously. Are there any other owners in the league who treat investing in the club as loans like that? That bottom bit is what I don't get at all, he's had to invest more money because of his incompetence surely. as of now, all of them according to how i understand the new rules. alos if he hadn't been incompetent in not doing due dilligence it's hard to think anyone else would havebailed us out and whoever was coming in was going to have to put in that money. it's why polygon and belgravia legged it.

don't the new premier ffp rules (as opposed or in conjunction with the UEFA rules) stop this, or at least limit this. They're supposed to stop clubs making regular losses, yeah. Doesn't seem to be affecting anyone right now though... partly because of how easy it is for clubs like Man City to get massively inflated sponsorship deals from companies owned by the same people who own them etc. Presumably there will be a million ways around it and it will be very unlikely to be tested in court. the premier ones were only voted in in april, starting this season.

don't the new premier ffp rules (as opposed or in conjunction with the UEFA rules) stop this, or at least limit this.

It is - but only up to 30th June 2012. Well that's all we can go on really, what is in the accounts. If he pockets all the new TV money than that's a different matter. In the accounts there is £111 million of loan that is long term - i.e due after more than one year. That has now been there for several years. As at June 2012 he had loaned the club an additional £29 million during 2011 and 2012 to buy players and meet short term cash commitments. This additional amount was short term, repayable within one year.. The accounts show he had already received £11 million back, and we can probably assume he's had the remaining £18 million back by now. He's not going to get his loan back anytime soon if that pattern continues aye but if you accept that you just have to see him maybe as being poor at running a football club as opposed to maliciously evil.

where do you play ben arfa ? surely he's better pushed further up but not as a tsriker ? In the Cazorla/Walcott role coming from the right because arsenal have that lack of mobility in the middle (which we have when tiote plays). There's many problems with Tiote. A lack of mobility is not one of them. it's not ? he's mobile when they have, he's statuesque when we have it. it also drags cabaye further back to get the ball off the defenders as the oppo want us to give it tiote.

where do you play ben arfa ? surely he's better pushed further up but not as a tsriker ? In the Cazorla/Walcott role coming from the right because arsenal have that lack of mobility in the middle (which we have when tiote plays).

where do you play ben arfa ? surely he's better pushed further up but not as a tsriker ?

Well done that man. It's such a simple solution. He's only here to generate mild profit while he looks to sell. Starve sources of profit, he has to make a move. he's still a long way off from making any sort of profit mind. Even better. and you really think he'll just cut his losses ? Why would he need to? unless someone is willing to pay him near quarter of a billion. Can't see Ashley ever making money from owning us, except indirectly through some (hard to quantify) benefit to Sports Direct. Anyway, I believe his decision is much more likely to be made on a whim than for any sound financial reason. He might be slightly more likely to sell once he gets his loan back, but even then I doubt it's going to be a decision made for financial reasons. don't think he'll make money personally. could well pay him back his loan over a few years then sell at near to his original purchase price. then theres still the free advertising.

The clamour for new signings wouldn't be anywhere near as frenzied as it has been if Pardew had actually created a team that was as strong as the sum of its parts. Pardew doesn't ''create'' the team or choose the players in the squad. He just coaches it. bingo and the only category in choosing the players is the question "is it a good deal" and not any actual football vision and philosophy so we're stuck with a squad thats completely unbalanced and hasn't really shown any capacity that they're the right fit for each other. If that's true and he does only coach the team it shows him in an even worse light. He has a team full of internationals and not internationals from s*** countries either - France, Argentina, Senegal, Italy, Ivory Coast, Holland, England. Last season the tactics were s****, the set play routines were awful, players were consistently played out of position, the substitutions were baffling etc. Make all the excuses you want for Pardew but if he was any good then last season would have been the anomaly in his managerial record but it wasn't, the previous season was. How many more internationals do you think we need to sign before we actually start to see the fruits of Pardew's genius? doesn't matter if you have internationals (even if they aren't exactly top quality internationals) if there is little balance. for all our squad got smaller, IMO it is now better as it is more balanced. Remy was a massive one for us and for that reason pardew has no excuses this season. How are we unbalanced? We have a squad that can adapt to 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 4-3-3 etc. What more do you want? Our attacking players can operate as wingers or second strikers. We have good options in the centre as well - Jonas, Sissoko, Cabaye, Tiote etc. The weak point is the lack of a decent target man but here's an idea, play without one. Use pace, movement, skill and flair as your weapons like most of the other decent teams in the league. Oh no, wait a minute......that's far to risky for the mini-Mourinho. f*** it, let's stick some more square pegs in round holes and hope they can scrape a last minute 1-0 win. how are we unbalanced ? we spent most of last season and thye start of this with one player who is a natural at getting onto the box , ONE! that makes it very easy for the opposition and you can knock it around like barcelona till 30yds out without players looking to get into the box and get on the end of things you'll end up not scoring. i agree all about pace and movement but if they don't do it (or can't do it) in and around the box you are going to suffer. That was down to the manager and the s*** tactics he employed. We still had Cisse, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Marveux and to a lesser extent Obertan. We could have been a lot more potent than we were but taking risks and playing attacking football is not Pardew's bag. last season i wanted marveaux and ben arfa playing off cisse or ba. the more i watched both the more i realised they do not get in the box off the ball, it's not their natural game, nor sissokos or cabayes and it's like saying to mike williamson, pass it more, if it's not in their game they are not going to do it well. a remy/aubameayng type who can link midfield and attack aswell as get in the box was essential.

The clamour for new signings wouldn't be anywhere near as frenzied as it has been if Pardew had actually created a team that was as strong as the sum of its parts. Pardew doesn't ''create'' the team or choose the players in the squad. He just coaches it. bingo and the only category in choosing the players is the question "is it a good deal" and not any actual football vision and philosophy so we're stuck with a squad thats completely unbalanced and hasn't really shown any capacity that they're the right fit for each other. If that's true and he does only coach the team it shows him in an even worse light. He has a team full of internationals and not internationals from s*** countries either - France, Argentina, Senegal, Italy, Ivory Coast, Holland, England. Last season the tactics were s****, the set play routines were awful, players were consistently played out of position, the substitutions were baffling etc. Make all the excuses you want for Pardew but if he was any good then last season would have been the anomaly in his managerial record but it wasn't, the previous season was. How many more internationals do you think we need to sign before we actually start to see the fruits of Pardew's genius? doesn't matter if you have internationals (even if they aren't exactly top quality internationals) if there is little balance. for all our squad got smaller, IMO it is now better as it is more balanced. Remy was a massive one for us and for that reason pardew has no excuses this season. How are we unbalanced? We have a squad that can adapt to 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 4-3-3 etc. What more do you want? Our attacking players can operate as wingers or second strikers. We have good options in the centre as well - Jonas, Sissoko, Cabaye, Tiote etc. The weak point is the lack of a decent target man but here's an idea, play without one. Use pace, movement, skill and flair as your weapons like most of the other decent teams in the league. Oh no, wait a minute......that's far to risky for the mini-Mourinho. f*** it, let's stick some more square pegs in round holes and hope they can scrape a last minute 1-0 win. how are we unbalanced ? we spent most of last season and thye start of this with one player who is a natural at getting onto the box , ONE! that makes it very easy for the opposition and you can knock it around like barcelona till 30yds out without players looking to get into the box and get on the end of things you'll end up not scoring. i agree all about pace and movement but if they don't do it (or can't do it) in and around the box you are going to suffer.

Well done that man. It's such a simple solution. He's only here to generate mild profit while he looks to sell. Starve sources of profit, he has to make a move. he's still a long way off from making any sort of profit mind. Even better. and you really think he'll just cut his losses ? Why would he need to? unless someone is willing to pay him near quarter of a billion.

Well done that man. It's such a simple solution. He's only here to generate mild profit while he looks to sell. Starve sources of profit, he has to make a move. he's still a long way off from making any sort of profit mind. Even better. and you really think he'll just cut his losses ?

Well the local journo's have zero hope for the last part. As for the rest everything you need is in the club accounts. It would give Lee Ryder a chance to show he's a bit better with numbers than he is with words. or as bad ?

The clamour for new signings wouldn't be anywhere near as frenzied as it has been if Pardew had actually created a team that was as strong as the sum of its parts. Pardew doesn't ''create'' the team or choose the players in the squad. He just coaches it. bingo and the only category in choosing the players is the question "is it a good deal" and not any actual football vision and philosophy so we're stuck with a squad thats completely unbalanced and hasn't really shown any capacity that they're the right fit for each other. If that's true and he does only coach the team it shows him in an even worse light. He has a team full of internationals and not internationals from s*** countries either - France, Argentina, Senegal, Italy, Ivory Coast, Holland, England. Last season the tactics were s****, the set play routines were awful, players were consistently played out of position, the substitutions were baffling etc. Make all the excuses you want for Pardew but if he was any good then last season would have been the anomaly in his managerial record but it wasn't, the previous season was. How many more internationals do you think we need to sign before we actually start to see the fruits of Pardew's genius? doesn't matter if you have internationals (even if they aren't exactly top quality internationals) if there is little balance. for all our squad got smaller, IMO it is now better as it is more balanced. Remy was a massive one for us and for that reason pardew has no excuses this season.

Well done that man. It's such a simple solution. He's only here to generate mild profit while he looks to sell. Starve sources of profit, he has to make a move. he's still a long way off from making any sort of profit mind.

about football ? nothing would get me to raging.