David Icke - Son of God

Alan Shitjew.

Why would we do fascists salutes? If anything I'd expect the fuckers to sing The Internationale for 90 minutes.

"No lads, you're the fascists. Not us."

At least he's got the support of some Sunderland fans... https://www.facebook.com/SkyTyneAndWear/posts/145561868952074

I don't remember it being widely discussed on here but I've always been anti-Di Canio. Detest the way he could get away with being a fascist because he was a bit of a character. I'm glad the press are finally asking uncomfortable questions, the fact that the Mackems are showing themselves up just makes this entire saga even sweeter.

can you expand on that? I already have earlier in the thread. Football clubs represent people and places. They inevitably take on the political identity of those places. Just because the game is a global money making machine does not change that. Barca-Real isn't the biggest game in world football because they're two very good teams. This is utter nonsense - NUFC is in what is generally accepted as a Labour voting area, but many of the fans share a love of the club whilst having totally different views about politics - and politics should NOT enter sport, OR be linked to it. Hitler tried that in the 30s but the England Team(and Jesse Owens in the Olympics)rammed that down his throat....similarly, the Soviets and Chinese have both tried to use sport to boost Communism and ironically, the Chinese have only started to show at the top of Olympic medal tables since they moved away from Maoism and to what is basically a Capitalist economy. Ask the likes of Olga Korbut and various Iron Curtain gymnasts what they thought of sport being used to foster a political agenda... As for Barca and Real, the only way they represent a political viewpoint is because the Catalans want autonomy from Spain and they identify Barca's successes with that aim, just as Real fans use Madrid as an emblem of Spanish would-be supremacy. There is NO similar situation in the UK unless you use the former rivalry between Celtic and Rangers and that is based on religion rather than politics - another thing which should be kept separate from sport. If you are trying to identify NUFC and most other Northern sides with the left wing of politics, it is hardly worth it if you subscribe to that view because apart from the 2 Manchester clubs, one of whom has many southerners in its fan-base, the northern clubs are not as successful whereas clubs in London(viewed by many Northerners as a den of Toryism)like Spurs and Arsenal have been more successful...... Politics has NO place in football whatsoever - either to boost the Right OR the Left and every effort should be made to keep the 2 separate. I agree with Felipao's views about the whole thing and about Di Canio... As I said before, I am far more concerned about his possible impact on the Mackems - and hence, on our chances of relegation - than any madcap political stance/demonstration he might make. If he replicates his successes at Swindon, any Socialists in the Sunderland fan-base won't give 2 stuffs about his views.... As Felipao said, we should be far more concerned about appointing a Lge 1 manager with a dodgy managerial record behind him........ You've just massively oversimplified the rivalry between Real and Barca. Well done. Your argument is that politics and sport should remain separate however they are not. No amount of hand wringing will change that. They're linked and forever will be. I'm sorry if that upsets you. I've also never once tried to prescribe a political leaning to NUFC. You've simply assumed I have. Yes they are man. We have 50K crowds made up of people from all walks of life and all political persuasions. PDC's politics are irrelavent and like the above poster said we should be more concerned about any positive impact he has in terms of motivation despite his weak managerial cv. They're not. They're just not

Fascists have always had a good sense of style. The Nazi's were clad in Hugo Boss.

can you expand on that? I already have earlier in the thread. Football clubs represent people and places. They inevitably take on the political identity of those places. Just because the game is a global money making machine does not change that. Barca-Real isn't the biggest game in world football because they're two very good teams. This is utter nonsense - NUFC is in what is generally accepted as a Labour voting area, but many of the fans share a love of the club whilst having totally different views about politics - and politics should NOT enter sport, OR be linked to it. Hitler tried that in the 30s but the England Team(and Jesse Owens in the Olympics)rammed that down his throat....similarly, the Soviets and Chinese have both tried to use sport to boost Communism and ironically, the Chinese have only started to show at the top of Olympic medal tables since they moved away from Maoism and to what is basically a Capitalist economy. Ask the likes of Olga Korbut and various Iron Curtain gymnasts what they thought of sport being used to foster a political agenda... As for Barca and Real, the only way they represent a political viewpoint is because the Catalans want autonomy from Spain and they identify Barca's successes with that aim, just as Real fans use Madrid as an emblem of Spanish would-be supremacy. There is NO similar situation in the UK unless you use the former rivalry between Celtic and Rangers and that is based on religion rather than politics - another thing which should be kept separate from sport. If you are trying to identify NUFC and most other Northern sides with the left wing of politics, it is hardly worth it if you subscribe to that view because apart from the 2 Manchester clubs, one of whom has many southerners in its fan-base, the northern clubs are not as successful whereas clubs in London(viewed by many Northerners as a den of Toryism)like Spurs and Arsenal have been more successful...... Politics has NO place in football whatsoever - either to boost the Right OR the Left and every effort should be made to keep the 2 separate. I agree with Felipao's views about the whole thing and about Di Canio... As I said before, I am far more concerned about his possible impact on the Mackems - and hence, on our chances of relegation - than any madcap political stance/demonstration he might make. If he replicates his successes at Swindon, any Socialists in the Sunderland fan-base won't give 2 stuffs about his views.... As Felipao said, we should be far more concerned about appointing a Lge 1 manager with a dodgy managerial record behind him........ You've just massively oversimplified the rivalry between Real and Barca. Well done. Your argument is that politics and sport should remain separate however they are not. No amount of hand wringing will change that. They're linked and forever will be. I'm sorry if that upsets you. I've also never once tried to prescribe a political leaning to NUFC. You've simply assumed I have.

can you expand on that? I already have earlier in the thread. Football clubs represent people and places. They inevitably take on the political identity of those places. Just because the game is a global money making machine does not change that. Barca-Real isn't the biggest game in world football because they're two very good teams. they do if the places have a political identity to speak of, what's NUFC's politics identity out of interest? i'd suggest there are a few exceptions in the game where politics and teams are inextricably linked and mixed, but it's very far from the norm especially in the UK I think Sky and the emergence of the Premier League has sanitised the game in this country, but to suggest that UK clubs don't have a political identity is a bit daft even if it is less overt than in other nations. I'd consider clubs like Man United, Liverpool, Chelsea etc. to all have a political identity.

can you expand on that? I already have earlier in the thread. Football clubs represent people and places. They inevitably take on the political identity of those places. Just because the game is a global money making machine does not change that. Barca-Real isn't the biggest game in world football because they're two very good teams.

Decency still exists on the SMB. That's a cracking post, has to be the best post ever made on there. Don't agree. People seriously needs to separate football from politics. What is a football club? What is politics? I've explained the reasoning behind this. A football club is driven like it's a company and not a political party. No one cares, if you are black, white, olive, pale, socialist, conservative, communist when it comes down to football. It's not the 50's or 60's anymore. I'm aware that there is politics in terms of company politics or what you want to call it, but that isn't the same typ of politics being discussed here. What is being discussed here is that a man who has a political view that hasn't interefered with his job is being considered as a disgrace to football. I think it's rather more a disgrace that they have signed a league one manager who clearly has had tons of problems at past clubs. But has he let his fascist view get in the way of his job as a football manager? I can't find any evidence of that. I'm not defending Di Canio, he should know more as an human being. But claiming he's a disgrace while we as a club have signed some thugs in the past and gotten away with it. Come sunday and they beat Chelsea no one is going to care if he's a fascist or not. Football is as fickle of a game as politics and it's pathetic at times. But it has interfered with his job... http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2013/04/dicanio.jpg You're talking about whitewashing the history of the game because you find the political side unpalatable. Politics and football are linked. End of story.

To be fair to Miliband he could kiss what remained of his political career goodbye if he didn't resign. There's no way he could've spoken with any authority as an ex-Labour MP if he sat quietly while the club he was vice chairman of appointed a self-confessed fascist. He had no where else to go. I agree. Just looks like he dropped them right in it for self serving reasons when he could have done it privately and with little fuss. How private does he need to be? He's got to make a statement to clarify his position. He was well within his rights IMO and while I don't like the bloke to suggest he's been self serving is a bit stupid. Surely it would've been a lot more self serving if he remained in his role, fucked his principles and collected his £125k?

Absolutely. Wasn't he offski stateside anyway? Expertly shit stirred and served to the media on a silver platter. Until 24 hours ago he was remaining in his role at Sunderland. USA or not he wasn't going to jack in a job that paid £125k for a fortnight of work.

To be fair to Miliband he could kiss what remained of his political career goodbye if he didn't resign. There's no way he could've spoken with any authority as an ex-Labour MP if he sat quietly while the club he was vice chairman of appointed a self-confessed fascist. He had no where else to go.

It wouldn't. That's why it became a story.

Decency still exists on the SMB. That's a cracking post, has to be the best post ever made on there. Don't agree. People seriously needs to separate football from politics. FWIW I think Di Canio should have a look at himself if he supports the belief and firm stance that Benito Mussolini apparently had... The opportunist that he was and the left-wing to right-wing switch is really a firm stand. The man clearly knows nothing about his supposed beliefs and should have a look into history books. We seriously need to thrive for football free from politics, it's beyond ridiculous at times. Di Canio is an ignorant person, but I can bet my house that this man will be as happy as ever if Di Canio wins them a trophy ( won't happen ). I'd also like to thank Cajun and TT for getting me to see the great enjoyment that this is. Di Canio was the one that brought his political beliefs into football, not the other way round. His actions while at Lazio were a disgrace and he was rightly banned for bringing the game into disrepute. Also you can't sperate politics from most things in life, football isn't a exception. First of all, him bringing it in or not, my point is that people is caring more about his political views than his managerial abilities. As for separating politics from most things in life you've must never have played any sports. When you walk into the pitch, you don't care if the other man is a socialist sympathizer or a right-wing extremist. All you care about is winning. That's what sports is about, it's entertainment. Would you refuse to watch a movie if the director said he had fascist views? Sports is entertainment, deal with it. I understand that it's hard to separate politics from most things in life, I'm just saying that people should thrive for it. Obviously that would only happen in an ideal world. Eh? Football and politics are intrinsically linked. It really shouldn't though. Football is about entertainment, enjoyment, it's not about politics. Why shouldn't it be? Politics is a major part of the games history. Club's represent people and places, they're naturally going to take on a political identity too. That's what makes the game great. If you don't like it I suggest you stick to the MLS. Maybe that's how it all started. But that's a long time ago now. It's a global sport now. You have kids from all over the world growing up to support teams half way across the world without having a clue what the politics behind the club originally were. The global nature of the sport has not eradicated the political side of the game. Ask the fans of Barca, Real, Liverpool, Bilbao, St Pauli, Marseille, Livorno, Lazio, AEK, Olympiakos, Celtic, Rangers etc. if they don't care about their club's politics.

League 1 club, Premier League club. Obviously one is going to get more media attention than the other. That's why 90% of football followers will know Chelsea won today but how did Crawley get on this weekend? I guess but if everyone (mainly the press) was so appalled by it then as they claim to be now it would never have come to this. Had the situation been reversed and he'd been appointed here there'd be a fair few backing him regardless too such is the exceptionally tribal/cult nature of football. Devils advocate and all that. And that's what is fucking tragic.

Decency still exists on the SMB. That's a cracking post, has to be the best post ever made on there. Don't agree. People seriously needs to separate football from politics. FWIW I think Di Canio should have a look at himself if he supports the belief and firm stance that Benito Mussolini apparently had... The opportunist that he was and the left-wing to right-wing switch is really a firm stand. The man clearly knows nothing about his supposed beliefs and should have a look into history books. We seriously need to thrive for football free from politics, it's beyond ridiculous at times. Di Canio is an ignorant person, but I can bet my house that this man will be as happy as ever if Di Canio wins them a trophy ( won't happen ). I'd also like to thank Cajun and TT for getting me to see the great enjoyment that this is. Di Canio was the one that brought his political beliefs into football, not the other way round. His actions while at Lazio were a disgrace and he was rightly banned for bringing the game into disrepute. Also you can't sperate politics from most things in life, football isn't a exception. First of all, him bringing it in or not, my point is that people is caring more about his political views than his managerial abilities. As for separating politics from most things in life you've must never have played any sports. When you walk into the pitch, you don't care if the other man is a socialist sympathizer or a right-wing extremist. All you care about is winning. That's what sports is about, it's entertainment. Would you refuse to watch a movie if the director said he had fascist views? Sports is entertainment, deal with it. I understand that it's hard to separate politics from most things in life, I'm just saying that people should thrive for it. Obviously that would only happen in an ideal world. Eh? Football and politics are intrinsically linked. It really shouldn't though. Football is about entertainment, enjoyment, it's not about politics. Why shouldn't it be? Politics is a major part of the games history. Club's represent people and places, they're naturally going to take on a political identity too. That's what makes the game great. If you don't like it I suggest you stick to the MLS.

Decency still exists on the SMB. That's a cracking post, has to be the best post ever made on there. Don't agree. People seriously needs to separate football from politics. FWIW I think Di Canio should have a look at himself if he supports the belief and firm stance that Benito Mussolini apparently had... The opportunist that he was and the left-wing to right-wing switch is really a firm stand. The man clearly knows nothing about his supposed beliefs and should have a look into history books. We seriously need to thrive for football free from politics, it's beyond ridiculous at times. Di Canio is an ignorant person, but I can bet my house that this man will be as happy as ever if Di Canio wins them a trophy ( won't happen ). I'd also like to thank Cajun and TT for getting me to see the great enjoyment that this is. Di Canio was the one that brought his political beliefs into football, not the other way round. His actions while at Lazio were a disgrace and he was rightly banned for bringing the game into disrepute. Also you can't sperate politics from most things in life, football isn't a exception. Have you seen the Lazio fans? Why doesn't every club across Europe protest against them? Why don't clubs refuse to play against them? As someone else said earlier in this thread, most of this "fascism" in football is just pathetic gang mentality to make oneself look hard. What's your point? My point is that it's this "label" that people carry around and choose to identify with, that does the sum total of fuck all in reality. Fascism is not in power now, and if people know what's good for them, they'll never vote for it to be in power ever again anywhere in the world. In footballing context it's nothing more than a "I'm well 'ard" image. IMO By that same logic neo-Nazi's are okay because they're not likely to wield any form of political power.

Decency still exists on the SMB. That's a cracking post, has to be the best post ever made on there. Don't agree. People seriously needs to separate football from politics. FWIW I think Di Canio should have a look at himself if he supports the belief and firm stance that Benito Mussolini apparently had... The opportunist that he was and the left-wing to right-wing switch is really a firm stand. The man clearly knows nothing about his supposed beliefs and should have a look into history books. We seriously need to thrive for football free from politics, it's beyond ridiculous at times. Di Canio is an ignorant person, but I can bet my house that this man will be as happy as ever if Di Canio wins them a trophy ( won't happen ). I'd also like to thank Cajun and TT for getting me to see the great enjoyment that this is. Di Canio was the one that brought his political beliefs into football, not the other way round. His actions while at Lazio were a disgrace and he was rightly banned for bringing the game into disrepute. Also you can't sperate politics from most things in life, football isn't a exception. First of all, him bringing it in or not, my point is that people is caring more about his political views than his managerial abilities. As for separating politics from most things in life you've must never have played any sports. When you walk into the pitch, you don't care if the other man is a socialist sympathizer or a right-wing extremist. All you care about is winning. That's what sports is about, it's entertainment. Would you refuse to watch a movie if the director said he had fascist views? Sports is entertainment, deal with it. I understand that it's hard to separate politics from most things in life, I'm just saying that people should thrive for it. Obviously that would only happen in an ideal world. Eh? Football and politics are intrinsically linked.

Decency still exists on the SMB. That's a cracking post, has to be the best post ever made on there. Don't agree. People seriously needs to separate football from politics. FWIW I think Di Canio should have a look at himself if he supports the belief and firm stance that Benito Mussolini apparently had... The opportunist that he was and the left-wing to right-wing switch is really a firm stand. The man clearly knows nothing about his supposed beliefs and should have a look into history books. We seriously need to thrive for football free from politics, it's beyond ridiculous at times. Di Canio is an ignorant person, but I can bet my house that this man will be as happy as ever if Di Canio wins them a trophy ( won't happen ). I'd also like to thank Cajun and TT for getting me to see the great enjoyment that this is. Di Canio was the one that brought his political beliefs into football, not the other way round. His actions while at Lazio were a disgrace and he was rightly banned for bringing the game into disrepute. Also you can't sperate politics from most things in life, football isn't a exception. Have you seen the Lazio fans? Why doesn't every club across Europe protest against them? Why don't clubs refuse to play against them? As someone else said earlier in this thread, most of this "fascism" in football is just pathetic gang mentality to make oneself look hard. What's your point?

Thats the thing, you cant just dismiss it like that, it's not him coming out as a Tory or a Eurosceptic, he's a self confessed fascist, and a lot of people - quite rightly - still have a problem with that. You're right, he's entitled to his views, as that's the sort of thing we protect in a modern democracy - see what your average fascist thinks of that. I'm not even debating that. That's obviously a given. We haven't a clue what most footballers or managers political ideals are. All I'm saying is, he seemed to get on with his footballing job fine at Swindon (as in, without letting his political views get in the way), so why not just focus on the footballing aspect of this appointment? Why do we always seem to cling to details that deter from the matter at hand. If he'd been a convicted murderer, or a rapist, it would be a completely different story. The day political opinions become a crime is the day the democracy dies. Because he brought politics into his footballing career. No one is suggesting he should be locked up, they're simply pointing out he's not a very nice person to have associated with your club.

The next time they play that classy club card it'll take everything I've got not to laugh in their fucking faces. What an absolutely vile set of bastards.

He's the one who blurred the line between politics and football. He's the one who spent his time at Lazio continually making Nazi salutes before and after matches. In that context his views are not irrelevant, quite the opposite.

Fuck me. Wasn't Fishpaste the nutter who penned that lengthy article before the last derby about how they would always been classier than us?