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Reading through the Carroll-thread there, it's hilarious how they apologize if they think King Kenny has made a mistake. 'Gonna get stick for this, but dropping Carroll for 2 games after Everton may have been a little mistake by King Kenny.'

I think he's s****, and probably overweight or carrying a bit too much for his diminutive frame. Against Arsenal I thought the mackems actually defended well and when they did get on the ball, worked it well enough. They just lack a true cutting edge in midfield and up front. Add Bent and Gyan to that side and a playmaker in midfield and they would be a much more different propersition. As it is they have no creativity in midfield and not attack up front to speak of, not without Bendtner anyway. For the money they have spent though they have done really badly in terms of players signed. The Man Utd duo of Brown and O'Shea look off the pace. I remember Brown was quick and adaptable but from what I've seen he's cumbersome and doesn't look sharp. O'Shea used to be quite comfortable on the ball for a defender and a good reader of the game but he hoofs it a lot and gets himself lost in position. Could be down to confidence, tactics or even the culture shock that I believe Nicky Butt struggled with moving from Manchester to Newcastle at first, or it could be they are simply past it. There is a hard working, defensively strong, mid-table side in there for them but given their expectations (NETD's and all that, CL winners etc.) and the money they have spent, I think mid-table is a poor return. parts of it are confidence, parts of it maybe tactics. They used to be managed by probably the best manager the world has ever seen, now they have Steve Bruce. Ferguson can make reasonable players look very good and good players look great. We've seen the with Butt the difference Ferguson makes, with them he was very good, when he came to us he was shocking generally. Playing with 9 or 10 of the worlds best can make you look good because others will make up for you mistake. Playing with 9 or 10 mediocre players make even the best look crap unless they are an enigma in a free role. Plus sunderland are f***ing s**** in general. I was reading this without really thinking and started to wonder that do you mean Keane or Reid or who? I mean brown and o Shea used to be managed by SAF Yeah, understood in few seconds, was just funny that I even started to think about it.

I think he's s****, and probably overweight or carrying a bit too much for his diminutive frame. Against Arsenal I thought the mackems actually defended well and when they did get on the ball, worked it well enough. They just lack a true cutting edge in midfield and up front. Add Bent and Gyan to that side and a playmaker in midfield and they would be a much more different propersition. As it is they have no creativity in midfield and not attack up front to speak of, not without Bendtner anyway. For the money they have spent though they have done really badly in terms of players signed. The Man Utd duo of Brown and O'Shea look off the pace. I remember Brown was quick and adaptable but from what I've seen he's cumbersome and doesn't look sharp. O'Shea used to be quite comfortable on the ball for a defender and a good reader of the game but he hoofs it a lot and gets himself lost in position. Could be down to confidence, tactics or even the culture shock that I believe Nicky Butt struggled with moving from Manchester to Newcastle at first, or it could be they are simply past it. There is a hard working, defensively strong, mid-table side in there for them but given their expectations (NETD's and all that, CL winners etc.) and the money they have spent, I think mid-table is a poor return. parts of it are confidence, parts of it maybe tactics. They used to be managed by probably the best manager the world has ever seen, now they have Steve Bruce. Ferguson can make reasonable players look very good and good players look great. We've seen the with Butt the difference Ferguson makes, with them he was very good, when he came to us he was shocking generally. Playing with 9 or 10 of the worlds best can make you look good because others will make up for you mistake. Playing with 9 or 10 mediocre players make even the best look crap unless they are an enigma in a free role. Plus sunderland are f***ing s**** in general. I was reading this without really thinking and started to wonder that do you mean Keane or Reid or who?

Fantasy had Colo as doubtful.

Doesn't make sense.

Anyone at home, rather play the top teams now than in the semis.

Stats is stats I think you should go back to forest for couple of months, I'm sure then you'll be needed...

I am yet to see anything to think Obertan has more 'end product' than Jonas. Also if I could pick Jonas or Obertan 1-on-1 against fullback it's Jonas for me everytime for now. Can't comment on Marveaux as I've only seen him against Villa. But if it's down to either Jonas or Obertan, Jonas has to start especially when you consider that Obertan has played the best against tired legs from the bench.

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/939/61673212440dc2a9371cz.jpg Oh my God Indeed. The penis is invisible from this view? Weird at least...

Sholaaaaa

Can't remember the last time we were this dominant in possession.

I'll go with the latter.

I was shocked when there were no subs in halftime. How hard can it be to change something that isn't working? Villas-Boas substituted Kalou for Malouda after 30 minutes when he saw his team is playing s*** yet we watch Shola ~65 minutes and Raylor all match when we for once had a great bench. Why not give Marveaux and Sammy more time, just pointless to bring them in so late. It really shouldn't be so hard. And I'm not comparing AVB and Pardew.

Few times today he seemed like he didn't know where to pass/find anybody open and lost the ball cause of that, as he clearly doesn't like to kick it long. But I'm sure he'll come good again.

I think he's going to be solid for us as it is but his complete lack of ability on the ball will make him probably the first player needing replacement if we are ever going to show more ambition than mid-table.

Ba HAS to start next game.

Has Obertan touched the ball on the second half?

Why even put Santon on the bench if you don't bring him on after that half. FFS

Punk is this forums Amdy Faye.

Seriously, I don't know if one option could be "to win this" to make stated intentions realised. At least it should be thought about, I don't think it's impossible.

I know the feeling. I want to laugh at him for failing but on the other side I feel kinda proud and hope he does well. Totally split.

Makes me wonder how we survived over 100 years without the Carroll-money?

That depends on how you calculate the expenses. If we include agent fees, salaries during the contract period and sign on fees, we've used all the money. And a very, very important factor is that we used some of those money to tie down Tiote for 6,5 years. You're so emotionally tied to Carroll that you have difficulties to see what we've bought/secured for the future with the money we sold him for: *Tiote *Cabaye *Ba *Maveraux In sum, those players are of course much better than Carroll. And we have REPLACED Carroll if we're talking about getting in a similar player (Ba), but if you're yearning for a marquee signing, we have not succeeded. Personally, I think it's important to consider many aspects: I don't want us to use too much, he must be fast and have a good engine, and he must fit into the squad. What a post, you always deliver.

Oh no! Someone had a different opinion to you on an internet forum. They must be getting paid. If anyone on Ashley's payroll would like to contact me about disagreeing with HawK, or any other user, I'd be willing to listen to offers. The Carroll deal seemed to work well for everyone involved. We got a s*** load of cash, Carroll got a massive wage rise, Liverpool got a young, English striker and his agent made a fortune. As it has turned out, the money we received hasn't obviously been reinvested in the squad and we've not replaced him in the team and Carroll hasn't settled yet at Liverpool and hadn't come close to finding the same form for Liverpool that got him the transfer in the first place. The thing isn't about Carroll. It's just a total mess that we had 8 months to find a striker and we didn't. And here are people who think it's acceptable. We had longer than 8 months, we needed a striker before Carroll left. I know we did, but after Carroll it was a must. That's true, but it's a tough call. Without the sale of Carroll it's not sure that we could have afforded Cabaye, Maveraux or BA. In reality we got three potentially very good players for the price of one potentially very good player. Besides, we need a different kind of attacker than Carroll:fast, poacher and who's capable of beating the offside trap. This post just cracks me up. Four sentences full of c***.

Oh no! Someone had a different opinion to you on an internet forum. They must be getting paid. If anyone on Ashley's payroll would like to contact me about disagreeing with HawK, or any other user, I'd be willing to listen to offers. The Carroll deal seemed to work well for everyone involved. We got a s*** load of cash, Carroll got a massive wage rise, Liverpool got a young, English striker and his agent made a fortune. As it has turned out, the money we received hasn't obviously been reinvested in the squad and we've not replaced him in the team and Carroll hasn't settled yet at Liverpool and hadn't come close to finding the same form for Liverpool that got him the transfer in the first place. The thing isn't about Carroll. It's just a total mess that we had 8 months to find a striker and we didn't. And here are people who think it's acceptable.