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How many examples are there of us paying more for a replacement than we got for the player sold? With players Ashley can justify a few quid more too, as he can potentially recoup it. He knows whatever he pays a manager he's not getting back. Shouldn't the question be how many have been replaced with better, rather than how much we paid for them? It would be if there were better cheaper managers available. A new manager wouldn't be financed by sacking Pardew, it would be additional cost. I always wondered about the confused message of our transfer policy (keep the manager out, makes it easier to sack him) and then giving the manager an 8 year deal, making it harder to sack him. Are there not like? Not sure why you think being cheaper is an essential requirement - notice you ignored Dave's question about Ashley spending £20m in January. When has he done that before? I've not seen any more recent salaries since this... http://www.trophy4toon.co.uk/index.php/premier-league-salaries/ You tell me who's be willing to come for less pay than Chelsea's fitness coach gets. I hadn't seen Dave's question before you asked. Ashley's never spent £20m in January before. That suggests to me that he took the vblame for the lack of spending in the Summer though...or he would have sacked Pardew rather than give him that cash. He had to do one or the other to ensure the windfall next seasons TCV deal will bring. So why did he buy Cisse last January? He didn't need to do that did he? He spent £8m on a player who they had asked £14m for in Summer and we had walked away from despite having £35m to replace the player sold. Got a bargain. I never asked you if it was a bargain. You've argued that he never spends money unless absolutely necessary (hence why he won't pay any more for a new manager). Why did he buy Cisse when the team could obviously get by? Why did he buy Anita when the team could obviously get by?

We did play long ball at times, it wasn't our default style of play and it wasn't aimless like it is under our current idiot. We did play with wingers, we had wingers who could hit our own player because we actually had a game plan which involved getting at the opposition, rather than hitting it long to nobody in an attempt to get rid of the ball. Again as I said - better suited because of the personnel. Er yeah. Obviously. So why does Pardew choose to employ it?

How many examples are there of us paying more for a replacement than we got for the player sold? With players Ashley can justify a few quid more too, as he can potentially recoup it. He knows whatever he pays a manager he's not getting back. Shouldn't the question be how many have been replaced with better, rather than how much we paid for them? It would be if there were better cheaper managers available. A new manager wouldn't be financed by sacking Pardew, it would be additional cost. I always wondered about the confused message of our transfer policy (keep the manager out, makes it easier to sack him) and then giving the manager an 8 year deal, making it harder to sack him. Are there not like? Not sure why you think being cheaper is an essential requirement - notice you ignored Dave's question about Ashley spending £20m in January. When has he done that before? I've not seen any more recent salaries since this... http://www.trophy4toon.co.uk/index.php/premier-league-salaries/ You tell me who's be willing to come for less pay than Chelsea's fitness coach gets. I hadn't seen Dave's question before you asked. Ashley's never spent £20m in January before. That suggests to me that he took the vblame for the lack of spending in the Summer though...or he would have sacked Pardew rather than give him that cash. He had to do one or the other to ensure the windfall next seasons TCV deal will bring. So why did he buy Cisse last January? He didn't need to do that did he? Where does the assumption that he'll be paid less come from? By that logic, Anita MUST be on less than Guthrie. Do you think he is?

How many examples are there of us paying more for a replacement than we got for the player sold? With players Ashley can justify a few quid more too, as he can potentially recoup it. He knows whatever he pays a manager he's not getting back. Shouldn't the question be how many have been replaced with better, rather than how much we paid for them? It would be if there were better cheaper managers available. A new manager wouldn't be financed by sacking Pardew, it would be additional cost. I always wondered about the confused message of our transfer policy (keep the manager out, makes it easier to sack him) and then giving the manager an 8 year deal, making it harder to sack him. Are there not like? Not sure why you think being cheaper is an essential requirement - notice you ignored Dave's question about Ashley spending £20m in January. When has he done that before?

I went for the: 'Why in 2.5 years at Newcastle have you not been able to implement a style of play that means regardless of the personnel available the players will be comfortable & familiar playing a style that best suits their abilities?' (or something along those lines) Can you name the last Newcastle manager to do this? Not that it is relevant or that they had as long but we generally played the same way under Hughton most of the time, likewise Robson 10 years ago. Both played Kick and Rush a lot of the time though - so not a million miles from what we're playing a lot of the time now - just with better fitting personal. Pardew plays a similar style to Bobby Robson? Are you on some sort of hard drugs? Did you ever watch Bobby Robson''s teams? There was a good deal of long ball/reliance on wingers sticking it in the box. Bobby Robson's teams always played positively and tried to score goals. That is the polar opposite of Pardew.

How many examples are there of us paying more for a replacement than we got for the player sold? With players Ashley can justify a few quid more too, as he can potentially recoup it. He knows whatever he pays a manager he's not getting back. Shouldn't the question be how many have been replaced with better, rather than how much we paid for them?

I went for the: 'Why in 2.5 years at Newcastle have you not been able to implement a style of play that means regardless of the personnel available the players will be comfortable & familiar playing a style that best suits their abilities?' (or something along those lines) Can you name the last Newcastle manager to do this? Not that it is relevant or that they had as long but we generally played the same way under Hughton most of the time, likewise Robson 10 years ago. Both played Kick and Rush a lot of the time though - so not a million miles from what we're playing a lot of the time now - just with better fitting personal. Pardew plays a similar style to Bobby Robson? Are you on some sort of hard drugs?

Curbishley ffs. It's easy to play this game. "I'd like a new striker" "You what?! You want to sign Ade Akinbiyi?!" "Umm well a full back maybe?" "Oh so now you're happy to re-sign Peter Ramage?!"

It's really unfair isn't it? We must be the only team in the league with internationals in our squad. We're probably the only team in the league with two senior strikers. One playing through injury the other injured. Eh? Cisse - fractured rib. Ameobi - s****/injured. Pretty pathetic. Cisse doesn't have a fractured rib, and I'm fairly sure Gouffran is a striker. We had two of Europe's most coveted strikers between August to January, and went on the worst run of form in the club's history. Yes he does - he went to see a specialist & has been playing through it. This season has seen Gouffran play in the centre for Bordeaux but before that he's been on the wing - like he was when he came to SJP. Ba wasn't properly replaced - a 20+ goal a season striker. Worst run in our history? No not at all but I suppose the hysterical fannies on here might want to believe it. Spoiled rotten off 5th tbh. Yes, 7 points from 36 was at least one of the worst runs of form in our history, so was going until January without an away win. Hysterical fannies when we were one game off relegation. You think Pardew's doing a good job then? What's he doing so well for you? I don't think Pardew is doing a good job, neither is the regime, neither are the players. Half the league has been close to relegation this past couple of games but it just takes a bit of perspective. I have zero faith in Ashley to appoint someone better - it'll be another one of his mates and as I said earlier in the thread and got scoffed at for - Ashley & Derek aren't going to sack one of their mates. If you invest f*** all & pick up the bargains you're going to be inconsistent - that's just the way it is. A proper summer window or a replacement for Demba in january and nobody would be talking about relegation. Our squad was barely fit for the domestic season never mind europe on top. So if we'd kept Demba, we wouldn't be talking about relegation? How do you explain the form up to that point? I was talking about both windows - the January signings were panic buying - Ashley didn't want to spend otherwise. You used the word 'or', meaning one or the other.

It's really unfair isn't it? We must be the only team in the league with internationals in our squad. We're probably the only team in the league with two senior strikers. One playing through injury the other injured. Eh? Cisse - fractured rib. Ameobi - s****/injured. Pretty pathetic. Cisse doesn't have a fractured rib, and I'm fairly sure Gouffran is a striker. We had two of Europe's most coveted strikers between August to January, and went on the worst run of form in the club's history. Yes he does - he went to see a specialist & has been playing through it. This season has seen Gouffran play in the centre for Bordeaux but before that he's been on the wing - like he was when he came to SJP. Ba wasn't properly replaced - a 20+ goal a season striker. Worst run in our history? No not at all but I suppose the hysterical fannies on here might want to believe it. Spoiled rotten off 5th tbh. Yes, 7 points from 36 was at least one of the worst runs of form in our history, so was going until January without an away win. Hysterical fannies when we were one game off relegation. You think Pardew's doing a good job then? What's he doing so well for you? I don't think Pardew is doing a good job, neither is the regime, neither are the players. Half the league has been close to relegation this past couple of games but it just takes a bit of perspective. I have zero faith in Ashley to appoint someone better - it'll be another one of his mates and as I said earlier in the thread and got scoffed at for - Ashley & Derek aren't going to sack one of their mates. If you invest fuck all & pick up the bargains you're going to be inconsistent - that's just the way it is. A proper summer window or a replacement for Demba in january and nobody would be talking about relegation. Our squad was barely fit for the domestic season never mind europe on top. So if we'd kept Demba, we wouldn't be talking about relegation? How do you explain the form up to that point?

No reason to sell particularly many, but aye, buy players for the first team (striker and CB mainly), January window was good. Just need them players to settle, our internationals to get a summer off after 2 years without a break which has strained them. Eh, you said before they're mainly relegation fodder. So sign a striker and a CB, and where do you think Pardew will have them finish? And presumably the football will be positive and attacking? Mid -table at best. We're a poorly run club from the top. Ashley has a yes man in charge of team affairs. Someone who won't be critical of him. Who will take the players he's given and never question it. It's that sort of thing that players lament once they see how it goes. Players bust a gut to finish in the top 5. They secure a massive tv cash windfall......and then they see a summer investment of £2m. that's more disheartening than anything Pardew can do. I don't think the players in 2009 or 2013 are relegation fodder, but both of them have seen players tire of the lack of ambition at the top and look less and less interested on playing for the club...or the manager, no matter who he may be. Part of that ambition is the manager, who you have shown you're fully behind. Oh no sorry, you say he isn't good enough but don't want him replaced with a better one. Almost there. I'd have him replaced with a better manager tomorrow. Only an idiot wouldn't. I don't buy that Pardew is the worst manager that Ashley could appoint though. Based on several previous appointments he is the very best. Utter WUM. Not worth talking to.

It's really unfair isn't it? We must be the only team in the league with internationals in our squad. We're probably the only team in the league with two senior strikers. One playing through injury the other injured. Eh? Cisse - fractured rib. Ameobi - s****/injured. Pretty pathetic. Cisse doesn't have a fractured rib, and I'm fairly sure Gouffran is a striker. We had two of Europe's most coveted strikers between August to January, and went on the worst run of form in the club's history. Yes he does - he went to see a specialist & has been playing through it. This season has seen Gouffran play in the centre for Bordeaux but before that he's been on the wing - like he was when he came to SJP. Ba wasn't properly replaced - a 20+ goal a season striker. Worst run in our history? No not at all but I suppose the hysterical fannies on here might want to believe it. Spoiled rotten off 5th tbh. Yes, 7 points from 36 was at least one of the worst runs of form in our history, so was going until January without an away win. Hysterical fannies when we were one game off relegation. You think Pardew's doing a good job then? What's he doing so well for you? He says Cisse has no rib injury btw.

No reason to sell particularly many, but aye, buy players for the first team (striker and CB mainly), January window was good. Just need them players to settle, our internationals to get a summer off after 2 years without a break which has strained them. Eh, you said before they're mainly relegation fodder. So sign a striker and a CB, and where do you think Pardew will have them finish? And presumably the football will be positive and attacking? Mid -table at best. We're a poorly run club from the top. Ashley has a yes man in charge of team affairs. Someone who won't be critical of him. Who will take the players he's given and never question it. It's that sort of thing that players lament once they see how it goes. Players bust a gut to finish in the top 5. They secure a massive tv cash windfall......and then they see a summer investment of £2m. that's more disheartening than anything Pardew can do. I don't think the players in 2009 or 2013 are relegation fodder, but both of them have seen players tire of the lack of ambition at the top and look less and less interested on playing for the club...or the manager, no matter who he may be. Part of that ambition is the manager, who you have shown you're fully behind. Oh no sorry, you say he isn't good enough but don't want him replaced with a better one.

It's really unfair isn't it? We must be the only team in the league with internationals in our squad. We're probably the only team in the league with two senior strikers. One playing through injury the other injured. Eh? Cisse - fractured rib. Ameobi - shite/injured. Pretty pathetic. Cisse doesn't have a fractured rib, and I'm fairly sure Gouffran is a striker. We had two of Europe's most coveted strikers between August to January, and went on the worst run of form in the club's history.

It's really unfair isn't it? We must be the only team in the league with internationals in our squad. We're probably the only team in the league with two senior strikers. One playing through injury the other injured. Eh?

No reason to sell particularly many, but aye, buy players for the first team (striker and CB mainly), January window was good. Just need them players to settle, our internationals to get a summer off after 2 years without a break which has strained them. Eh, you said before they're mainly relegation fodder. So sign a striker and a CB, and where do you think Pardew will have them finish? And presumably the football will be positive and attacking?

So what's the solution then HF? Presumably to sell all the players and buy a new squad for Pardew?

I'm on record calling Pardew a cunt. We were relegation bait before Pardew and we will be after though. Ashley is the common denominator. The squad isn't relegation bait though, so your point is nonsensical. You've claimed that the players are "wilting" - how is that Mike Ashley's fault? For someone who hates Pardew, you're doing a good job of arguing against every point made about his poor management. Why?

The players wilt? And have been wilting since he got here, every time we have a lead, even when it's two completely different XIs from game to game?

Only other game we've won by two is Southampton home.

Anyone who willingly listens to that has to be some sort of masochist. I can't even make it through his 15 second MOTD snippets without wanting to kick shit out of the telly.

HF doesn't think Pardew can attack dangerously and doesn't like the way he plays but thinks we create tons of chances.

I don't really understand posts like this. Are you not able to judge for yourself from what you see on the field "which was the fluke"? I don't need a number on a league table to tell me that the way we play is not good enough and will not lead to consistently good results. My main issue through out this anti Pardew thing is less criticizing Pardew or even wanting him out, everyones entitled to their opinion etc etc. But rather how absolutely everything wrong is being put at his door and the players get off scot-free criticism wise. Obviously he's made mistakes but why aren't they taking their share of the blame for some gutless performances? And if you say its just down to Pardews negative tactics, don't they have minds of their own? So, for example, if Pardew is unable to coach the defence into a unit, who all know where the others are, when to push out, when to fill in etc... what, they should do it in their spare time down the park? If they don't practice passing in triangles in training you expect them to do it in their back garden, against their son and the dog. Can't believe what I'm reading. Minds of their own. They're up against the tactics of Sir Alex Ferguson and they should all be doing their own thing, on the hop. Reminds me of that game we used to play, 'knockout' where everyone's trying to score in the same end, twenty people running after the same ball and trying to run past everyone or shoot from anywhere. If one player underforms while everyone else is playing, fair enough. An entire squad of thirty-odd players?! What's your solution then? Sell them all presumably?

I notice he doesn't mention the Europa League. Obviously he would rather beat Arsenal than not but it's 100% his opinion that he doesn't want to be in Europe because having to raise his managerial game completely exposes him as the utter fraud he is.

I don't really understand posts like this. Are you not able to judge for yourself from what you see on the field "which was the fluke"? I don't need a number on a league table to tell me that the way we play is not good enough and will not lead to consistently good results.