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At least fredbob is trying to put up some kind of argument, misguided though it may be. But as I guess you want Ashley to sell up to anyone, I'm not sure why you're sticking up for him. How can you read that post as me "sticking up for Ashley"? I assume you'd want new owners as aye, they might fail. But then again, this is the second season in a row where the consensus is that we're in danger of relegation. So what's to fear from a change at the top? Why don't you stop "assuming" and deal with what people actually write? Oops, my bad. I missed out the quotes. That's not my opinion, it's yours from 2 years ago when a dodgy investment group showed an interest in buying us. They'll want to make money. This can only be done by, first and foremost, by pursuing success on the pitch and making Newcastle once again a team that people want to watch ? something that now seems to be way beyond Shepherd and his cronies. Aye, they might fail. But then again, this is the second season in a row where the consensus is that we're in danger of relegation. So what's to fear from a change at the top? I just assumed you'd still think the same now. Well, hell, forgive me for not twigging that you were replying to a two-year-old post. So now you've been reminded of your opinions, can I take it you stick by them and will be happy with anyone taking over from Ashley?

At least fredbob is trying to put up some kind of argument, misguided though it may be. But as I guess you want Ashley to sell up to anyone, I'm not sure why you're sticking up for him. How can you read that post as me "sticking up for Ashley"? I assume you'd want new owners as aye, they might fail. But then again, this is the second season in a row where the consensus is that we're in danger of relegation. So what's to fear from a change at the top? Why don't you stop "assuming" and deal with what people actually write? Oops, my bad. I missed out the quotes. That's not my opinion, it's yours from 2 years ago when a dodgy investment group showed an interest in buying us. They'll want to make money. This can only be done by, first and foremost, by pursuing success on the pitch and making Newcastle once again a team that people want to watch – something that now seems to be way beyond Shepherd and his cronies. Aye, they might fail. But then again, this is the second season in a row where the consensus is that we're in danger of relegation. So what's to fear from a change at the top? I just assumed you'd still think the same now.

We didn't pay anything to Mallorca. That doesn't mean we didn't pay Gutiérrez himself a hefty signing on bonus to cover the compo he'll have to pay Mallorca. He was a free agent when we signed him. This compensation claim has nothing to do with us & should be thrown out of court.

At least fredbob is trying to put up some kind of argument, misguided though it may be. But as I guess you want Ashley to sell up to anyone, I'm not sure why you're sticking up for him. How can you read that post as me "sticking up for Ashley"? I assume you'd want new owners as aye, they might fail. But then again, this is the second season in a row where the consensus is that we're in danger of relegation. So what's to fear from a change at the top?

If there was a genuine intention to replace Milner with either of those players then why was the sale of Milner rushed through (so that he could play for one of our supposed rivals while we were short on numbers) before we were sure they would sign? Milner's replacement is and was always intended to be a 26 year old loanee who noone had heard of because he's only ever played 5 games in Europe. I'm willing to bet none of our brilliant new recruitment team had even seen him play. But hey, it was a great deal

At least fredbob is trying to put up some kind of argument, misguided though it may be. But as I guess you want Ashley to sell up to anyone, I'm not sure why you're sticking up for him.

That was kind of the point of my post. Bollocks.

That's incorrect. If they'd all been available we'd have been talking about what good business £12m was. The problem is, we didn't bring in enough players to pad out our squad, so we are missing him, no doubt. In order for us to "miss him", he must be a better player then what we currently have. On the fact that Geremi had more assists than he did last season, and has at least a semblance of understanding with Owen (in delivering free kicks and crossses), no we don't miss him at all. According to ESPN, in 3 seasons with 89 starts + 8 sub appearances, Gutiérrez had 5 goals and 8 assists with Mallorca, that's less than 2 goals and 3 assists per season. I guess we haven't been missing him either and should stick with Geremi? We should also be looking to sell him on in January if we can make a decent profit. I'd call £8 million a decent profit on Milner, £12 million is a lot more than decent. £8m is probably what we got after Leeds took their sell on fee, but £10-12m + increasing his wages is what Everton & Villa were willing to pay. How much do you reckon we can get for Gutiérrez in January? I'm rubbing my hands at the thought of the cash already.

That's incorrect. If they'd all been available we'd have been talking about what good business £12m was. The problem is, we didn't bring in enough players to pad out our squad, so we are missing him, no doubt. In order for us to "miss him", he must be a better player then what we currently have. On the fact that Geremi had more assists than he did last season, and has at least a semblance of understanding with Owen (in delivering free kicks and crossses), no we don't miss him at all. According to ESPN, in 3 seasons with 89 starts + 8 sub appearances, Gutiérrez had 5 goals and 8 assists with Mallorca, that's less than 2 goals and 3 assists per season. I guess we haven't been missing him either and should stick with Geremi? We should also be looking to sell him on in January if we can make a decent profit. That depends if you can get your head around what pace and movement brings to a team, something that Milner had neither of. Are we still talking about how Geremi's better than Milner here?

Absolutely!, who wants some Englishmen with principles, f*** that!. I want some guy who made his fortune from children's sweat shops, having thousands of people evicted from their land just so they could make a fortune in dodgy apartment blocks that fall down with slightest of tremors. Aye, Ashley gets his £5 tracksuits made up by well paid staff in air conditioned office blocks in Kent.

I've not seen any proof of that from Ashley. We're certainly on the road to hell though, so you may be right like.

I think I see a flaw in your plan. I'm not missing it, I'm choosing to ignore the lie.

I don't think many have loyalties above the club as a whole tbf. I think all Skirge/cp's point is that where we don't know the facts, one is forced to ask who they trust on gut instinct and past experience alone. Keegan has surely done much more for this club than Ashley has, and so many retain the view that the former is the one they choose to trust and therefore back. This may seem daft to some, but it doesn't to me. It seems daft to me when the implications of the choice (based on no facts) is the implosion of the club. Thats quite an outcome based on the job someone did 10 years ago and ignoring the bad elements of that period. What's daft is the belief that anything supporters have done has caused the current situation. Thats nonsense. We ARE the situation. So why aren't the Glazer's selling? Why hasn't Hicks buggered off? How did Shepherd last so long for that matter? It's all been a bit too easy. As I've said before, if Ashley's so prone to public opinion, just print up a few banners and go on a march asking him to stay. Only the Glazers have had real problems and FC United was the upshot of that episode. The point i'm making is that loyalty, agendas, small-minded anti-cockney feelings etc has set the current direction of this football club rather than a sober analysis of the footballing and financial realities. The point is our furious reaction wasn't a reaction to a footballing issue, it was a reaction to a political and emotional issue. There are plenty examples of this type of behaviour at every level of the club from supporter to chairman over the past 15 years. Liverpool supporters have protested far more about Hicks than we have about Ashley, and some of the manc supporters went a lot further in setting up FC United than some of ours have by setting up NUSC. The point I'm making is that supporter unrest is merely a convenient excuse for Ashley to do publicly what he was doing privately anyway, and as such is largely irrelevant to out current situation.

I don't think many have loyalties above the club as a whole tbf. I think all Skirge/cp's point is that where we don't know the facts, one is forced to ask who they trust on gut instinct and past experience alone. Keegan has surely done much more for this club than Ashley has, and so many retain the view that the former is the one they choose to trust and therefore back. This may seem daft to some, but it doesn't to me. It seems daft to me when the implications of the choice (based on no facts) is the implosion of the club. Thats quite an outcome based on the job someone did 10 years ago and ignoring the bad elements of that period. What's daft is the belief that anything supporters have done has caused the current situation. Thats nonsense. We ARE the situation. So why aren't the Glazer's selling? Why hasn't Hicks buggered off? How did Shepherd last so long for that matter? It's all been a bit too easy. As I've said before, if Ashley's so prone to public opinion, just print up a few banners and go on a march asking him to stay.

I don't think many have loyalties above the club as a whole tbf. I think all Skirge/cp's point is that where we don't know the facts, one is forced to ask who they trust on gut instinct and past experience alone. Keegan has surely done much more for this club than Ashley has, and so many retain the view that the former is the one they choose to trust and therefore back. This may seem daft to some, but it doesn't to me. It seems daft to me when the implications of the choice (based on no facts) is the implosion of the club. Thats quite an outcome based on the job someone did 10 years ago and ignoring the bad elements of that period. What's daft is the belief that anything supporters have done has caused the current situation.

Eh? Examples? Held the club back from the heady days of nearly dropping into the 3rd? How does a supporter's loyalty to an ex-manager hold the club back exactly? One a smallish scale not allowing the promising Bellamy/Kluivert partnership to grow in order to allow Shearer to get to the goal record? Managerial choice, nothing to do with supporter loyalty. Some managers are loyal to players who have done well in the past even when form dips and keep consistency in the team, others will swap and change the team based on form. Both methods have advantages and disadvantages, and both have worked successfully. When Butt came back from relegated Birmingham noone here held out any hope for him, yet he was very good that season and the same kind of faith in a player you're talking about with Shearer was rewarded. /sidetrack

Eh? Examples? Held the club back from the heady days of nearly dropping into the 3rd? How does a supporter's loyalty to an ex-manager hold the club back exactly?

I think this is actually the most likely scenario.

That's incorrect. If they'd all been available we'd have been talking about what good business £12m was. The problem is, we didn't bring in enough players to pad out our squad, so we are missing him, no doubt. In order for us to "miss him", he must be a better player then what we currently have. On the fact that Geremi had more assists than he did last season, and has at least a semblance of understanding with Owen (in delivering free kicks and crossses), no we don't miss him at all. According to ESPN, in 3 seasons with 89 starts + 8 sub appearances, Gutiérrez had 5 goals and 8 assists with Mallorca, that's less than 2 goals and 3 assists per season. I guess we haven't been missing him either and should stick with Geremi? We should also be looking to sell him on in January if we can make a decent profit.

That statement is from the 4th September, so is the club lying about the fact they had been in discussions with Keegan? Keegan didn't leave the club in limbo, he resigned. It happens. You get a new manager and move on. The super duper system is supposed to make that easier, not harder. It's Ashley who is leaving the club in limbo while he made public his effort to look for a buyer while he can still profit from the mess he's caused..

If he is suing Mike Ashley personally then good luck to him, I'm not concerned in the slightest if Ashley gets taken to the cleaners. I won't however back Keegan against the club unless he has a cast iron case...which I hope he doesn't. I'd rather that money was re-invested in the team by the new owners. How on earth could he sue Mike Ashley personally? If there were any claim it would obviously be against the club.

Not as much as he would love to keep his Soccer Centre creditors happy is my guess. Shame. Nail on head. Makes you wonder why he came back in the first place and got out so quickly once an "opportunity" arose. Choosing to believe the press now are we. I don't read the press - what are they saying like ? I can see why you missed it then, but apparently the London Evening Standard newspaper - which obviously has it's finger on the pulse of the goings on at Newcastle United - is claiming that Keegan is suing the club for £9m. The really funny thing is though that some people are choosing to believe it without any quotes or evidence whatsoever, purely based on what "Standard Sport understands"! BTW for someone who doesn't read the press you sure have a lot of posts in the "The Media : 'We hate Newcastle United'" thread. Just posting your opinion on something you know absolutely nothing about as usual I guess.

Not as much as he would love to keep his Soccer Centre creditors happy is my guess. Shame. Nail on head. Makes you wonder why he came back in the first place and got out so quickly once an "opportunity" arose. Choosing to believe the press now are we.

I love how you assume you know what other people think. The 2 posts I quoted specifically complained about NUSC being "dedicated to getting Ashley out" and being a "small Ashley out pressure group". I merely suggested forming a counter group to get their views across. This would obviously be a popular group as "most fans do NOT think Ashley was killing the club" so would naturally want him to stay, and surely some would feel strongly enough about it to plan some pro-Ashley action knowing how easily swayed he is by popular opinion. Either you want Ashley to go, or you want him to stay. If you want him to go, then why should protests and action stop until he's gone, and if you want him to stay why don't people get of their arses and do something about it instead of crying onto their keyboards.

Presumably along with "Cockney Mafia In" and "Ashley, please keep killing our club" Any of you got a firm preference on who you think should replace Ashley to move the club forward ? Point is most fans do NOT think Ashley was killing the club - quite the opposite - and that the so called "NUSC" could do far more damage to Newcastle than the so called "cockney mafia" ever did. So go for it and set up your own action group & support Ashley. He supposedly decided to sell the club based on a few banners and protests, so why wouldn't he now change his mind and decide to stay on if all of you - most fans that is - now show your support so he realises its only a small minority who want him out?