toontownman

We will be struggling to get out of the bottom four by then. Id call Trevor Brooking ahead of time. This is the worst signing on face value that i can ever remember, being a Newcastle fan. All my City mates are in stitches or out rejoicing. He is useless, he has played in every position across midfield and upfront and has been utter gash in each of them. The only good thing about him is that he is apparently excellent in training, but has never produced on the pitch. Like the rest of the country im in absolute shock, still over this one. At least with Barnes and Rush they both had done something, or been good players before they came here. One mancity fan actually told me he hated Sibierski more than Roy Keane, he was so shite. Im at a complete loss, he brings us nothing but a bigger wage bill, i hope he proves everyone wrong, but there is no basis to think that is possible.

Dont rate him past £4m at most. let alone milner and an extra £2m. Not ever going to happen, if it does i think Freddy will be lynched more than if we signed no-one at all!

Ive heard he can even score with it too.

Touche :winking:

Id be more than happy with Bridge/Neill both would improve either flank and Neill can cover CB aswell, looks unlikely though. Sounds suspiciously like Luque. Who should really also excel in Europe. Although he would bring alot more to the table in terms of strength, physical prescence and holding the ball up.

We dont have anyone very capable of holding up the ball and imposing himself physically though. We need someone that is big and strong that can dominant in the air and on the ground, whilst we do have Martins, Shola, Rossi, Duff, Dyer, Luque maybe even Emre or N'Zogbia that could do scratch jobs up front, none of them are great foil for any other. Whilst Viduka isnt great he would bring precisely what we need, although he is NOT coming, hopefully someone in that playing style will.

Viduka is staying at Boro, he doesnt even come into any equations, if people want to feel better, pretend it was just a smokescreen for the player we are going to sign. At least that will keep you going through the day, pick up the pieces tmrw..

Depends on the team we are playing surely, and whether we are home or away. Duff can play there well enough, Nobby is more creative and will stick a decent cross in, something Dyer cannot, but Dyer will open up the field and get in behind the defenders. Depending on the team we are playing it would be good to switch, the chances of Dyer being fit enough to be considered often are certainly more than questionable though.

on an up point Malbranque is out for 10 weeks, even though, spurs have still signed him. Seemed like a made replacement for Milner, but maybe Roeder actually believes Dyer will be able to play more than a couple of matches this season and sees him as the replacement, either way he is wired if he doesnt get some kind of replacement in.

I think its time to turn SSN off, turn the internet off and do something else. Gutted. Although we can do alot better than Viduka and Huth, just not happening.

NOT GETTING VIDUKA. Staying at Boro, Gibson confirms in press conference.

Cant believe this is happening, complete madness. So we arent even replacing Milner. If feel like they are doing there best to grind us down so we will be happy with anything just to make the madness be over.

Looks like, in fairness we have kept our cards close to our chest all summer, No one would have predicted either Martins or Duff up to a couple of days before we signed them, We were never in "pole position" for either Huth or Woodgate so until 12am tmrw we wont know whether it has paid off or not. The transfer policy does seems to have been wrong, and certainly something for Roeder etc to learn from, because it might prove to be very costly. The pro's have been that we have held our cards close to our chest and actually acted profesionally for a change, unlike other years. It seems very strange we havent got alot of players in early, but i guess the explanations will have to wait for the next talk in, if Roeder is around for it.

It basically comes down to what Roeder said a couple of months back (at the talk in?) "There is only so much you and the club can do for the player, he has to do it for himself aswell." Until that happens he will be a flop, he has the talent he just needs the motivation, which has to come from inside. One of the seniors needs to have a serious word with him. How a player goes from this: ..... ....To what we have seen of him who knows. Maybe if he sorts himself out and forces a run and scores a few he can get that kind of confidence back, but he will be an expensive disaster until then.

Worth a go, giving them Milner is rubbish tbh, Roeder doesnt want to part with him. I wouldnt mind him here, but looks like we will have to pay out big bucks, Viduka wants to come though, i think if the Euell deal comes off it will be more than a possibility, especially if Viduka does still want to come and makes it known.

Id take Viduka over Hasselbaink for sure. Viduka wouldnt be too bad, we need someone big and strong to hold up the ball, and he has been prolific at doing that. Whether we could motivate him enough we would have to see though.

:winking: you have to aim to be good at something even if it is non-sensical. I do agree with alot of what you said, but comparing Robert and Luque's pace is like comparing Solano to dyer. When we signed him he was all about beating the man and whipping the cross in, and pace he certainly had. He tore Arsenal to shreds when we beat them at Highbury years ago, albeit we were one man up after Ray Parlours dismissal. Maybe im pulling my hair out here, but im pretty sure i have seen Robert take the ball down to the opposite end of the, pitch beat a man whilst dribbling along the touchline ala what N'Zog does now. Ok fine he wasnt as quick the last few years, and certainly he couldnt even pass to our own players have the time, people remember the last few years when he was a shadow of his former self, when he had to rely on a shots from stupid distances or free kicks. He changed his game considerably in his time with us, he was much better all round earlier on in his Newcastle career. I just dont think they are similar players, not as you would have it anyways. In spain Luque was a completely different player, and at times he has held up the ball for us fine, he is much stronger than Robert, he is bigger and when he knows what the hell he is doing you can see that. Luque needs space to play and is certainly used to it in spain, Robert could make his own spaces, he played well with a long ball and could control is suberbly, Luque needs the ball played to feet more than not. I heartily agree. That said it was offered only as my opinion, and it was me on a high horse,in quick tempered scoff, of course there are some similarities. Off the pitch and personality wise they are completely different, Roeder has not had anything but praise for his work ethic, Robert was the opposite, Luque was a panic buy and certainly not first choice like Robert was. I wasnt bringing in anything into consideration other than on the pitch though. I just thought some of the things that were being written were alot different to how i percieved Robert the footballer to be whilst playing for us, especially compared to Luque. Of course they have similarities some of the admitted gash facts show that, we could get down to Dads middle names if we had to, I just think they are less similar than they are the same type of player.

there is some complete tosh being written here, well thats my opinion anyways. Luque and Robert are NOTHING like each other. Roberts game was based around his pace (which initially made him such a hit here) and his Crosses and Flair, the set pieces came later and put him in a league with Ginola and even above Solano IMO. Luque doesnt have pace, certainly not half as much as Robert, isnt a dribbler of the ball like Robert was and has basically a completely different game. Sure Luque looks lethargic, obviously Robert was at times towards the end of his Newcastle career, but i would take a Robert on top of his game over Luque any day. Robert undid himself though, under Souness we did actually see the most rounded Robert i think there has ever been, but alas it couldnt last, due to both idiot parties acting like childeren, it was best both went, and Robert has lost the plot further since leaving. Robert was less interested and to an extend clueless tracking back, but anything going forward there was a different player involved. Luque has just looked lost, although he tries hard all over the pitch, he just hasnt settled anywhere, he isnt lazy he just doesnt seem to know what he is doing, and often reverts to going deep, where we have seen the best of him. Luque is more about power (whilst we havent seen it), strength and skill rather than pace, flair and dribbling. Luque does look better playing deeper though from what i have seen of him. He does have a good cross on him though and he is left footed, he has played in a spanish league too so they do have a few things in common.

Yeah, i had hoped we wouldnt be banging the ball hit and hope style so much, which was a bit distressing. An amazing 20 mins by Luques standard in a newcastle shirt maybe. He didnt see enough of the ball, jumped for alot in the air which was nice to see, but lets not get too over joyed that our little pet project has managed to do what is essential to what we demand from every player. He needs more time though on the pitch and certainly a hell of alot better service. We looked alot better going forward with Butt of the pitch but we were barely in control of the game.

For the most part i think the wet grass carried him alot harder and faster than he would have liked it to.

The problem is he isnt an out and out centre forward, every time he has come on he has looked best when coming and playing from deep. He as also looked good crossing balls into the box. He might be good behind the main striker but i dont think he is the target man we are looking for and whilst we have Duff and N'Zogbia playing better than him he isnt going to break through to the team on the Left Wing. He worked hard today but didnt see enough of the ball. I would have preffered to see Roeder play 4-4-2 with Luque behind Ameobi, but Roeder didnt fancy it, and its paid off, we certainly looked the better when Butt was on.

Being unveiled on Friday with Ronaldo tbh.

I think Luque is finally starting to pull himself together, someo of his play this past Saturday was fantastic, he looks alot hungrier and fitter, he has also made all the noises about staying and the club has made a minor fuss about him getting the Number 7 shirt, i really dont see him leaving, at least until christmas. He will thrive in the Uefa cup and hopefully in the premiership aswell, we are seeing more and more of his talent, like i said some of his skill on Saturday was blinding. That said we cant really rule out anyone leaving, Woodgate showed us that.

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Was obviously what you meant to say. :winking: Im not sure which way it will go with Luque to be honest, he seems intent on staying, Nobby has backed him and Roeder has said he needs to take his oppurtunity. Id rather keep him and get his confidence back, he is a quality player but the injury and the premiership has knocked him flat on his arse and he is struggling, like Roeder says the club can only do so much for a player, the rest he has to do for himself. It wouldnt suprise me to see him offloaded, but it wouldnt also suprise me to see him still here for the season at least. I hope its the latter because we need to have quality strength in depth and if he does come good we will have a fantastic player on our books. Whether we can afford to keep him on those wages is another matter.