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:lol: I really hope they didn't mass-produce them.

Look at those names, man. Cuthbert Ottaway, Arnold Kirke-Smith, John Brockbank. Can almost smell the tweed. Those tactics doe

I stood up together with a majority of the stadium to applaud a 7th goal, Klose being subbed off and a national team that had just gone into the history books for all the wrong reasons in probably the darkest day of Brazilian football. It has nothing to do with moral high ground or whatever you think and all down to do with the fact that a big part of this country has shown the world that all their pre-conceived ideas are wrong. Also, people saying this is the end of Brazilian football comparing a 200 million populated country to the island of yours. We are the biggest nation in footballing history, between our third win and 4th win it went 24 years, we will have some great players maturing for Russia and there's no doubt in my mind that we'll win it. As for the Neymar, I don't see what's wrong with holding a shirt of an injured player? This squad has been known for being extremely close (except in midfield where they apparently play like there's 200miles between each other) and Neymar was a big part of the team. He carried us past the group stage and without an injury against Chile we would've seen the best of him in the quarter finals and semi finals. We'll be back, just like Germany once disappeared and came back and just like Italy does every 24 years. If he was dead it'd be okay. What they're doing now is just telling the world that Neymar is much bigger than the team and more important than the 11 out there at that time. He might just be, but the players shouldn't tell the world they agree. It's well worthy. You completely missed the point, they'd do the same if it was f***ing Oscar or Fred. It's about the team, I've seen teams do the same when players have broken their legs and had other injuries. This happens quite often with a message of support. It's also different because he was unable to leave his home to watch at the stadium because of a fractured back. They just wanted to show him how much he means. ''Dead'', like we in life should only pay tribute to dead people ffs. Well, yeah. You don't f***ing tribute a living, breathing, player in that way. You're putting Neymar way above Brazil as a unit, and it's deterimental. Both the team and the press seemingly spent the lead-up treating the match like some testimonial, and it got them a testimonial scoreline. The biggest and best tribute to Neymar would be playing on, and winning the world cup, and then praising his contribution to the team for helping them get there. I'm not going solely against the shirt holding, but the entire run-up full of self-loathing "the rest of the team sucks - we'll lose without Neymar" all over, and then the team basically say they agree by putting Neymar above the team. Why not hold up a shirt with the player replacing Neymar up, saying "hey, we trust you as much as we trust Neymar. You can do it!". That's what a team should do. Appreciate the entire team. Not worship one player. WTF are you on about Kaiz? Seriously, you're posting that without a single clue of what you are talking about. It's not worshipping Neymar, like I said we'd have seen the same for Fred (who fuck me was abysmal in this tournament, so off the pace it's ridiculous, had confidence he could turn it around until he was garbage once again against Colombia).

#ForNeymar or something wasn't it? #ForçaNeymar basically giving neymar force. To bad they gave him all their force so they had none left for the game.

I stood up together with a majority of the stadium to applaud a 7th goal, Klose being subbed off and a national team that had just gone into the history books for all the wrong reasons in probably the darkest day of Brazilian football. It has nothing to do with moral high ground or whatever you think and all down to do with the fact that a big part of this country has shown the world that all their pre-conceived ideas are wrong. Also, people saying this is the end of Brazilian football comparing a 200 million populated country to the island of yours. We are the biggest nation in footballing history, between our third win and 4th win it went 24 years, we will have some great players maturing for Russia and there's no doubt in my mind that we'll win it. Why are you so sure that you'll win that? You need to find two new midfielders,a striker,a right back and probably one attacking midfielder/winger before then and Germany will still have the majority of their team along with a few other teams Because after last night I have to believe in something

I stood up together with a majority of the stadium to applaud a 7th goal, Klose being subbed off and a national team that had just gone into the history books for all the wrong reasons in probably the darkest day of Brazilian football. It has nothing to do with moral high ground or whatever you think and all down to do with the fact that a big part of this country has shown the world that all their pre-conceived ideas are wrong. Also, people saying this is the end of Brazilian football comparing a 200 million populated country to the island of yours. We are the biggest nation in footballing history, between our third win and 4th win it went 24 years, we will have some great players maturing for Russia and there's no doubt in my mind that we'll win it. As for the Neymar, I don't see what's wrong with holding a shirt of an injured player? This squad has been known for being extremely close (except in midfield where they apparently play like there's 200miles between each other) and Neymar was a big part of the team. He carried us past the group stage and without an injury against Chile we would've seen the best of him in the quarter finals and semi finals. We'll be back, just like Germany once disappeared and came back and just like Italy does every 24 years. If he was dead it'd be okay. What they're doing now is just telling the world that Neymar is much bigger than the team and more important than the 11 out there at that time. He might just be, but the players shouldn't tell the world they agree. It's well worthy. You completely missed the point, they'd do the same if it was fucking Oscar or Fred. It's about the team, I've seen teams do the same when players have broken their legs and had other injuries. This happens quite often with a message of support. It's also different because he was unable to leave his home to watch at the stadium because of a fractured back. They just wanted to show him how much he means. ''Dead'', like we in life should only pay tribute to dead people ffs. Lapse of concentration, also seen defenders do that 100 times and the goalkeeper not actually throwing the ball. I think his intentions were to run in front of Ospina so he wouldn't kick it out fast, and as soon as he actually got the ball of his hands it was too late to move direction. Stupid, but if anything last night shows why he clearly is the only real world class defender in the world.

not a fucking fred avatar. Get me that Hitler Yao back

I stood up together with a majority of the stadium to applaud a 7th goal, Klose being subbed off and a national team that had just gone into the history books for all the wrong reasons in probably the darkest day of Brazilian football. It has nothing to do with moral high ground or whatever you think and all down to do with the fact that a big part of this country has shown the world that all their pre-conceived ideas are wrong. Also, people saying this is the end of Brazilian football comparing a 200 million populated country to the island of yours. We are the biggest nation in footballing history, between our third win and 4th win it went 24 years, we will have some great players maturing for Russia and there's no doubt in my mind that we'll win it. As for the Neymar, I don't see what's wrong with holding a shirt of an injured player? This squad has been known for being extremely close (except in midfield where they apparently play like there's 200miles between each other) and Neymar was a big part of the team. He carried us past the group stage and without an injury against Chile we would've seen the best of him in the quarter finals and semi finals. We'll be back, just like Germany once disappeared and came back and just like Italy does every 24 years.

My avatar. Come on. Some admin take it down. This forum has reached a new low with a forced hitler yao.

Hang in there, man. You may have a long ride on the banter bus in front of you. Have to say though that despite some idiots the Brazilian fans showed class inside the arena. Stood up an applauded the Germans after the 7th, applauded the team after the game and kept singing. Unlike the british who always embarrass themselves in international tournaments unless they're in a country where they know cowardice will backfire. Ooooohhhhh Go and stare at your wall m8 Rattled marra

Hang in there, man. You may have a long ride on the banter bus in front of you. Have to say though that despite some idiots the Brazilian fans showed class inside the arena. Stood up an applauded the Germans after the 7th, applauded the team after the game and kept singing. Unlike the british who always embarrass themselves in international tournaments unless they're in a country where they know cowardice will backfire. Ooooohhhhh

I'm alive, disappointed but at the same time impressed by our six minute collapse. I'll live with banter but theres a poster or two on here who have gone over the line. I'll post from my computer from my 'tin house' when I'm back home. Sitting in a hotel and fair play to the forum name

Don't think we'll win but you never know in a semi. Early set piece goal and three central midfielder not letting germany control the game could win it for us.

On my way to the mineirao. Also finally an article that breaks the dirty quarter-final into details in terms of fouls. Posted wrong article first http://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbymcmahon/2014/07/06/neymars-injury-and-brazils-brutality-against-colombia-at-world-cup-an-alternate-view/

That's absolutely fair enough. But managers aren't always appointed on track record and maybe as an assistant he was appreciated/respected. I mean Queiroz got a job at Real Madrid a lot thanks to being a fantastic assistant to Sir Alex. (even if he had a better track record than Wilmots before)

Appalling no doubt, but in the game against the US he was probably the worst Belgian player on the pitch. Everytime he got the ball he slowed the play down and their was no fluency to their attacks when he got the ball and he didn't improve in the Argentina match. My problem with that sub wasn't Hazard, it was the fact that Chadli came on (no idea why he's rated as a footballer). I can't understand many substitutions though, why did van Gaal wait until the 119th to put a goalkeeper on or until the 105th to move away from the 5 line defense when he was playing Costa Rica who were even more tired? Why didn't he put in more fresh legs earlier instead of happily going to the pens? Why didn't Scolari put a midfielder on against Colombia when it was clear that Colombia were winning the midfield in the 2nd half? Why did Löw play Lahm at right back when Mustafi had already failed to impress against Portugal? Why did Sabella play a 5 man defense in the first game when they've crushed all opponents with a 4-3-3 in qualifiers? Managers make mistake, especially more under circumstances like knockouts. I'm not saying give Wilmots praise either, I'm just saying that his achievements in this World Cup were in line with the expectations, so why ridicule him as some did?

If it wasn't for Pardew I'd say based on this WC I probably wouldn't take 28-30 of the manages. van Gaal, Scolari, Sabella, Löw have all had problems getting performances from their teams against weaker opposition. It's not as simple as that. Same way Belgium went to the quarters and lost is the same way the so adored Chile and Colombia lost to an extremely weak Brazilian performance.

I like you as a poster and you know that but sometimes you post without thinking . Wilmots was given the job because he's one of the most respected players to grace the Belgian football. He has a huge respect and is the hero of many of the guys on the team as they grew up watching him. He did a fantastic job with them during the qualifiers and friendlies since he took over. His Belgium side had one of the best performances in the WC when they played the US. He only lost to Argentina due to a single goal. To take his old achievements and pedigree as football manager and condemn his achievements with the national side is ridiculous. His win percentage as a manager for Belgium is the highest ever with the national team. I mean van Gaal didn't qualify Netherlands with a pretty good team to the 2002 World Cup. He also had a terrible return to Barcelona after that if I'm not mistaken, or did he resign from that? Just because a manager has failed at one job doesn't make him a bad manager, I disagree regarding Wilmots. Holland appointed Rijkaard (EC 2000) and Van Basten (WC 2008, EC 2010) in a similar situation: both highly respected (ex) players without any relevant management experience. They both failed to deliver. Argentina did it with Maradonna and it didn't work out. I can't really think of any successful NT manager without at least some experience at top club level. In my humble opinion a great football (and I'm not even sure Wilmots is that) does not a great international manager make. You're basically saying the appointment is rubbish despite his record speaking for itself. Quarter-finals is what everyone expected and they played Argentina and lost. I didn't once say that a great football player makes a great international manager, but his stature in Belgian football has helped gain respect from players in a team that before used to be completely split into two camps. I'm not saying he's an excellent manager, I'm just saying that you're condemning his ability based on what he's done in the past and not present. i'm with unbelievable on this one, called it before the tourament that a better manager could take belgium close to winning it...and by that i mean a van gaal or someone england are proof that being great in qualifiers means f*** all Belgium beat every team except Argentina, how is that bad? If they beat Argentina they could easily have gone on close to winning it. Some people don't seem to realize that tiny details can change everything. If Netherland don't score a 45th minute equalizer against Spain or get a wrongly allowed 3-1 goal against Spain they might not have gone through their group, if Brazil doesn't get help from Nishimura we might've lost every game as well. There are tiny tiny details that change games in World Cup. Wilmots had his team get through the group on 9p, 3 of them coming from behind in an opener against a team that played extremely well against Germany, another 3p against a Russian side that isn't bad at all and another 3p with 10men on the pitch for majority of the game. I'm not comparing van Gaal to Wilmots historically, but van Gaal has fucked up in international football as well when he failed to qualify for the 2002 WC, so nothing says he'd be certain to do a better tournament then Wilmots with the Belgian side.

I like you as a poster and you know that but sometimes you post without thinking . Wilmots was given the job because he's one of the most respected players to grace the Belgian football. He has a huge respect and is the hero of many of the guys on the team as they grew up watching him. He did a fantastic job with them during the qualifiers and friendlies since he took over. His Belgium side had one of the best performances in the WC when they played the US. He only lost to Argentina due to a single goal. To take his old achievements and pedigree as football manager and condemn his achievements with the national side is ridiculous. His win percentage as a manager for Belgium is the highest ever with the national team. I mean van Gaal didn't qualify Netherlands with a pretty good team to the 2002 World Cup. He also had a terrible return to Barcelona after that if I'm not mistaken, or did he resign from that? Just because a manager has failed at one job doesn't make him a bad manager, I disagree regarding Wilmots. Holland appointed Rijkaard (EC 2000) and Van Basten (WC 2008, EC 2010) in a similar situation: both highly respected (ex) players without any relevant management experience. They both failed to deliver. Argentina did it with Maradonna and it didn't work out. I can't really think of any successful NT manager without at least some experience at top club level. In my humble opinion a great football (and I'm not even sure Wilmots is that) does not a great international manager make. You're basically saying the appointment is rubbish despite his record speaking for itself. Quarter-finals is what everyone expected and they played Argentina and lost. I didn't once say that a great football player makes a great international manager, but his stature in Belgian football has helped gain respect from players in a team that before used to be completely split into two camps. I'm not saying he's an excellent manager, I'm just saying that you're condemning his ability based on what he's done in the past and not present.

I like you as a poster and you know that but sometimes you post without thinking . Wilmots was given the job because he's one of the most respected players to grace the Belgian football. He has a huge respect and is the hero of many of the guys on the team as they grew up watching him. He did a fantastic job with them during the qualifiers and friendlies since he took over. His Belgium side had one of the best performances in the WC when they played the US. He only lost to Argentina due to a single goal. To take his old achievements and pedigree as football manager and condemn his achievements with the national side is ridiculous. His win percentage as a manager for Belgium is the highest ever with the national team. I mean van Gaal didn't qualify Netherlands with a pretty good team to the 2002 World Cup. He also had a terrible return to Barcelona after that if I'm not mistaken, or did he resign from that? Just because a manager has failed at one job doesn't make him a bad manager,

Wilmots isn't even fit to lace Van Gaal's shoes man. Wasn't a couple of weeks ago people everywhere would tell me that Belgium had the much better players, were outsiders for the World Cup whereas Holland wouldn't even get out of the group stage. Belgium failed to impress against really mediocre opposition four times and than went out without a whimper in their first real test. Add to that the fact Marc Wilmots couldn't settle on who his best players were even after the tournament had started and he's been an unmitigated disaster. Belgium was less than the sum of their parts, whereas Holland are more. To compare Van Gaal to Wilmots is laughable. Wilmots will need a lot more years to even come close to being compared to van Gaal , but I don't agree that they failed to impress against four teams. They were very impressive against the US and Algeria showed they're no pushovers either. I think in the end the four best teams in the WC are in the semi's, not because they've played well but because neither team has really impressed and yet are in the semi's because they have that extra quality. Whatever final we get it's going to be one of the best in recent history. It's four historically great teams (even if Holland has never won it)

....refereeing decisons and FIFAs 'dream wishes' not withstanding.

Probably the best post I've read on here about the Brazilian side. *Just got back from the Costa Rica - Holland game. Can't stop getting more and more in love with Robben. What a fantastic footballer he is.

Im on my cell so couldn't see who wrote. Agree regarding van Bommel but Fernandinho is twice the player on the ball. Van Bommel was an excellent player on his day but he never had the ability on the ball like Fernandinho. Must've misunderstood/misread the post