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http://i60.tinypic.com/29cqd11.png You took an image after the play. While I was looking again now from that angle, maybe there isn't really an elbow into his face, bu there was definitely a 'support' he put his body onto Cesar to 'elevate'. I was seeing it from the other angle. He still clatters all over him and if he doesn't Cesar catches that ball with ease. I'll hold my hand up and say that maybe it's not a straight elbow to his face, still maintain it's a clear foul.

He doesn't really have a team in the NFL, so it's not that bad, he uses the NFL thread like everyone else, to laugh at Mike. I think the NBA thread is where he's most like this. In the NBA thread my team is dead for another year or two. Luckily your teams are doing alright in the NFL. As if I'm Pip. Dick.

Hard to show on screenshots though Get to watch the clip again, I maintain that it's a foul. I've never seen a player allowed to clatter a goalie from behind with arms in the goalies face before the ball even gets there. But I might be wrong here, like I said, I'm trying to be as unbiased as I can, maybe I'm used to something different or maybe I'm being biased as fuck in this situation. It just looks like a clear foul FOR ME.

He doesn't really have a team in the NFL, so it's not that bad, he uses the NFL thread like everyone else, to laugh at Mike. I think the NBA thread is where he's most like this. In the NBA thread my team is dead for another year or two.

So saying that it was a ''good'' dive automatically makes me say it was a deserved penalty? http://i58.tinypic.com/14t0ayg.png The elbow is there up in his face. The pic wasn't to show the elbow, was to show that Olic clattered over him before the Cesar even got to the ball. It's a foul every day of the week. We got lucky, because the game-changer was the penalty and without it I could've even seen us lose this. Doesn't change the fact that the foul on Cesar is still a foul does it?

You see B-More. This is pathetic. It's like he doesn't see the point that I've said time and time again that the penalty was wrong. He makes shit up in his mind, but it's Luca. The guy who defends Pardew so I'll quit here. For shame.

Was way too harsh. Calling someone a Brazilian politician should be ban worthy I still maintain the fact that Luca is slow though

It was a wrong decision but I can see why the ref gave it. From his position and angle it looks like first Fred got his left hand pulled and then he saw Lovren's hand on Fred's shoulder. Add to those the perfect dive from Fred and it does look like a pen from his position. Impossible to tell from his angle whether Fred really got pulled or threw himself to the ground. Nothing corrupt, just the way football sadly works now. Thank you. It's nothing more than an appaling decision. But Fred sold it so I can see how the ref was conned. To think the ref just pointed to the penalty spot for no reason is ridiculous. I still don't agree with saying three decisions went Brazil's way. There really was only one game changer and it was the penalty. A draw would've been fair, but if Neymar deserved a red for that then I'm sorry to disappoint but you won't see any reds like that in football. He gets a yellow because he shouldn't have his arm up there, but peoples bias and hate towards him thinks he deliberately elbows him in the face in the first half of the World Cup in pure rage. It's ridiculous. You had a better angle to see it than the ref. The ref is exactly in the position to see the arm on the shoulder and Fred throwing himself. I'm happy with three points, I think by the end of the game it owuld've come anyways. Also for all of you guys saying the ref is corrupt, how was Croatia able to escape this game with 11 men on the field? 21 fouls against Brazils 5. Persistent fouling and not a yellow ones to Vrsaljko or Perisic. This ref is horrible, but that's on FIFA for putting a god damn japanese ref that in the last World Cup was pretty bad as well for an opening game. ** Before some tiresome posters on here begin, I'm not being biased at all. I think a draw would've been fair. But you guys want a red for Neymar and an allowed goal for Olic who jumps elbow first into Julio Cesar. Neymar checked over his shoulder to make sure the player was there then smacked him in the face. And the "penalty," from every angle, looks like a dive. There was nothing even remotely convincing about it. He clearly just drops to his arse hopefully. Of course you're showing bias. I'll leave the Neymar incident out, maybe I'll have to check it again, but I didn't see the deliberate smack across the face, I saw a bad elbow coming up for a header just like Paulinho, Olic and Corluka did in the game. I'm not going to go lenghts with dicussions. Penalty wasn't a penalty, but I can see why the referee would give it other than he was handed a bag with millions of gold coins to trade back in Japan. He gave it because he bottled it. It was big club syndrome at play again. Doesn't change the fact Croatia were robbed of at least a point. It doesn't, and I haven't tried to change that fact either ffs. I've said that they deserved a draw. How slow are you? Alright, Tier 1. Nah, it's true, he's a freaking turtle at times. He's trying to make it like I'm defending the penalty, like I'm saying we deserved three points. Luca is like a Brazilian politician. I 100% agree after having some negotiations with him last season. (Sima was three times worse though) I actually deleted that post, was too harsh. No one is a Brazilian politician on here

Absolutely, no one is saying it wasn't. Neither me nor pata. It's a dive as clear as day from most angles. But Fred sold it with an arm on his shoulder.

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It was a wrong decision but I can see why the ref gave it. From his position and angle it looks like first Fred got his left hand pulled and then he saw Lovren's hand on Fred's shoulder. Add to those the perfect dive from Fred and it does look like a pen from his position. Impossible to tell from his angle whether Fred really got pulled or threw himself to the ground. Nothing corrupt, just the way football sadly works now. Thank you. It's nothing more than an appaling decision. But Fred sold it so I can see how the ref was conned. To think the ref just pointed to the penalty spot for no reason is ridiculous. I still don't agree with saying three decisions went Brazil's way. There really was only one game changer and it was the penalty. A draw would've been fair, but if Neymar deserved a red for that then I'm sorry to disappoint but you won't see any reds like that in football. He gets a yellow because he shouldn't have his arm up there, but peoples bias and hate towards him thinks he deliberately elbows him in the face in the first half of the World Cup in pure rage. It's ridiculous. You had a better angle to see it than the ref. The ref is exactly in the position to see the arm on the shoulder and Fred throwing himself. I'm happy with three points, I think by the end of the game it owuld've come anyways. Also for all of you guys saying the ref is corrupt, how was Croatia able to escape this game with 11 men on the field? 21 fouls against Brazils 5. Persistent fouling and not a yellow ones to Vrsaljko or Perisic. This ref is horrible, but that's on FIFA for putting a god damn japanese ref that in the last World Cup was pretty bad as well for an opening game. ** Before some tiresome posters on here begin, I'm not being biased at all. I think a draw would've been fair. But you guys want a red for Neymar and an allowed goal for Olic who jumps elbow first into Julio Cesar. Neymar checked over his shoulder to make sure the player was there then smacked him in the face. And the "penalty," from every angle, looks like a dive. There was nothing even remotely convincing about it. He clearly just drops to his arse hopefully. Of course you're showing bias. I'll leave the Neymar incident out, maybe I'll have to check it again, but I didn't see the deliberate smack across the face, I saw a bad elbow coming up for a header just like Paulinho, Olic and Corluka did in the game. I'm not going to go lenghts with dicussions. Penalty wasn't a penalty, but I can see why the referee would give it other than he was handed a bag with millions of gold coins to trade back in Japan. He gave it because he bottled it. It was big club syndrome at play again. Doesn't change the fact Croatia were robbed of at least a point. It doesn't, and I haven't tried to change that fact either ffs. I've said that they deserved a draw. How slow are you?

Lets kill this discussion: http://i60.tinypic.com/2821f0g.png Never a pen, but that hand on the shoulder was what conned the ref, as soon as Fred felt it he threw himself. The ref bottled it obviously but he think he saw something and from his angle he sees and arm and 'sees' a pulling. Never a penalty, but it's not like Lovren is on the other side of the pitch. http://i60.tinypic.com/1zpmd5v.jpg Before Julio Cesar gets the ball, Olic clatters all over him. Foul every day of the week.

Not defending me though, you're just watching the incident like most on here did. I think it's only CD that suggests he wasn't conned. Fred dove like a motherfucker Excellent piece of skill that. I'm the only one besides you who thought Cesar was fouled and yellow was right for Neymar and even understand why the penalty was given. Ah didn't know you shared the same opinion. Which probably says it all since you're the most anti-me and Brazil on here.

It was a wrong decision but I can see why the ref gave it. From his position and angle it looks like first Fred got his left hand pulled and then he saw Lovren's hand on Fred's shoulder. Add to those the perfect dive from Fred and it does look like a pen from his position. Impossible to tell from his angle whether Fred really got pulled or threw himself to the ground. Nothing corrupt, just the way football sadly works now. Thank you. It's nothing more than an appaling decision. But Fred sold it so I can see how the ref was conned. To think the ref just pointed to the penalty spot for no reason is ridiculous. I still don't agree with saying three decisions went Brazil's way. There really was only one game changer and it was the penalty. A draw would've been fair, but if Neymar deserved a red for that then I'm sorry to disappoint but you won't see any reds like that in football. He gets a yellow because he shouldn't have his arm up there, but peoples bias and hate towards him thinks he deliberately elbows him in the face in the first half of the World Cup in pure rage. It's ridiculous. You had a better angle to see it than the ref. The ref is exactly in the position to see the arm on the shoulder and Fred throwing himself. I'm happy with three points, I think by the end of the game it owuld've come anyways. Also for all of you guys saying the ref is corrupt, how was Croatia able to escape this game with 11 men on the field? 21 fouls against Brazils 5. Persistent fouling and not a yellow ones to Vrsaljko or Perisic. This ref is horrible, but that's on FIFA for putting a god damn japanese ref that in the last World Cup was pretty bad as well for an opening game. ** Before some tiresome posters on here begin, I'm not being biased at all. I think a draw would've been fair. But you guys want a red for Neymar and an allowed goal for Olic who jumps elbow first into Julio Cesar. Neymar checked over his shoulder to make sure the player was there then smacked him in the face. And the "penalty," from every angle, looks like a dive. There was nothing even remotely convincing about it. He clearly just drops to his arse hopefully. Of course you're showing bias. I'll leave the Neymar incident out, maybe I'll have to check it again, but I didn't see the deliberate smack across the face, I saw a bad elbow coming up for a header just like Paulinho, Olic and Corluka did in the game. I'm not going to go lenghts with dicussions. Penalty wasn't a penalty, but I can see why the referee would give it other than he was handed a bag with millions of gold coins to trade back in Japan.

Not defending me though, you're just watching the incident like most on here did. I think it's only CD that suggests he wasn't conned. Fred dove like a motherfucker Excellent piece of skill that.

I'm pretty sure you'll get those 6 points. Modric and Rakitic are pure and against teams that aren't as good they'll have plenty of space to create. I think Jelavic was a weak point, and Olic was impressive. Those crosses into a Mandzukic and Perisic will be absolutely deadly. Didn't see much of Kovacic though...

It was a wrong decision but I can see why the ref gave it. From his position and angle it looks like first Fred got his left hand pulled and then he saw Lovren's hand on Fred's shoulder. Add to those the perfect dive from Fred and it does look like a pen from his position. Impossible to tell from his angle whether Fred really got pulled or threw himself to the ground. Nothing corrupt, just the way football sadly works now. Thank you. It's nothing more than an appaling decision. But Fred sold it so I can see how the ref was conned. To think the ref just pointed to the penalty spot for no reason is ridiculous. I still don't agree with saying three decisions went Brazil's way. There really was only one game changer and it was the penalty. A draw would've been fair, but if Neymar deserved a red for that then I'm sorry to disappoint but you won't see any reds like that in football. He gets a yellow because he shouldn't have his arm up there, but peoples bias and hate towards him thinks he deliberately elbows him in the face in the first half of the World Cup in pure rage. It's ridiculous. You had a better angle to see it than the ref. The ref is exactly in the position to see the arm on the shoulder and Fred throwing himself. I'm happy with three points, I think by the end of the game it owuld've come anyways. Also for all of you guys saying the ref is corrupt, how was Croatia able to escape this game with 11 men on the field? 21 fouls against Brazils 5. Persistent fouling and not a yellow ones to Vrsaljko or Perisic. This ref is horrible, but that's on FIFA for putting a god damn japanese ref that in the last World Cup was pretty bad as well for an opening game. ** Before some tiresome posters on here begin, I'm not being biased at all. I think a draw would've been fair. But you guys want a red for Neymar and an allowed goal for Olic who jumps elbow first into Julio Cesar.

I'll probably come across as biased but here comes my thought trying to be as unbiased as possible. We didn't really deserve to win, we were slightly better overall but didn't really deserve everything. There was no pen, but I can see how the ref sees it as Fred sold it like I've never seen before. Was convinced he was pulled until I saw the replay, only good thing he did all match and the ref was conned. As for the rest of people saying the ref was bought, fuck off, the ref missed there, but we were kicked consistently and only Corluka got a yellow for Croatia. Loads complained about Brazil v Spain and their fouling, but this was on the same level. Vrsaljko and Perisic had each 5-6 fouls and pretty bad ones as well. Neymar got a deserved yellow, but where was Corlukas first for the same foul? Perisic for the same foul? Never a red in million years. The foul on Julio Cesar is clear as day, it's inside the goalkeepers box, you can't come up with an elbow there anywhere. David Luiz also saved it and the goal only game after the ref had blown the whistle long before. Conclusion. Difficult game, flattering scoreline for us and good to see Neymar get two. Two excellent goals. Oscar, Luiz Gustavo and Daivd Luiz best for us. Paulinho, Hernanes, Fred, Dani were turboshit. Rakitic and Olic were excellent for Croatia. Referee was shit, but is anyone surprised? Same guy that let van Bommel bum him in the last World Cup. This Croatian midfield is btw. I'd pay huge money to nationalize Modric and Rakitic into Brazilians.

My cousing picked him Said nothing just laughed. He picked all nigerians strikers

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Neymar crocked in warm-up. Starting well.

What's with Brazil and broccoli, man. No idea, what broccoli you're talking about. I'm out until we win a fucking game here. I'll lurk around until we win. See ya wednesday.

You get two sexy ladies and people complain. Hard to please you