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I don't know and I can only guess the players are still trying to work it out. Ask David Icke, he pumps over a grand a year into the club, probably got a Pardew dictionary as a gift from the club, he can probably look it up.

You didn't even watch the game, man. I pump close to a grand a year into the club, I'm buggered if I'm going to be talked down to someone who admits he does't watch the bloody matches. Read above, I wasn't discussing this game at any point was I? As for watching the game, I didn't watch it because I'm on family vacation and was invited to go somewhere else, but still managed to keep updated through cellphone and 3G in another country which will cost me some money too just for some texts, but whatever because I didn't watch this game I guess you are more right than me.

Why are you talking about it at length then? Pet hate, this. Are you kidding me? Seriously, are you kidding me? Read again man, I'm not talking about this game, I'm talking about Pardew and this season. I am aware of it being in the City game thread but you could've written that to everyone else discussing Pardew then...

If there isn't a one size fits all tactic, why does Pardew insist in setting his team the same week in week out? I've got enough of this, I've made my point clear in why I criticize Pardew. For me it's obvious, but we obviously have two different views on how it should be played. If I ever see you criticizing the way Stoke, Norwich or anyone else plays I will re-direct you to this thread.

The effective football last season only worked because Ba was finding the net with virtually everything in the first half of the season and then Cisse did the same in the 2nd and you can't expect that to be repeated over a season. Exactly. I just don't see how anyone can disagree with this.

I didn't even watch the game today, but to see Gosling and Perch subbing in for Perch and Gouffran says it all to me. Especially as Campbell and Marv stayed on the bench..

Hold on, were we outside the top 6 at any stage last season? We had one win in eight after our great start and then the season started to turn when Benny came into the side. Whether you like it or not, the Man U game was a fluke, beating them 3-0 with Raylor, Shola wasn't due to Pardew as he ain't god and they were in bad shape when they played us. We then won couple of games and then went on four games without a win before Benny and Cisse went on a run. Without those two we wouldn't have finished top 6... Seriously? Come on - that's beyond harsh imo. That was one of the most complete performances I can remember since Bobby - pretty much everyone was exceptional and we barely gave them a sniff. It was a fluke man. We giving such a performance was a fluke, we had nowhere near showed that quality during the whole season. We were in a completely different level than we've been before like you said. I don't mean it was a fluke in the way that we won, it was a fluke in the way that we managed to put such a perfomance in. Give your head a shake, man. There's no arguing with loops like you. Calling me a loop man, look at that. Seriously, if you're that miserable that you enjoy the way we play fair enough, but I know me and many others don't enjoy it. Truth is you can't see much football outside of Newcastle because your view on things is embarrassing. We are a bigger club than Stoke and Norwich, yet we play at the same level as them and are below them in the league. It's embarrassing that supporters can actually still think Pardew might be a good manager. He's a likeable guy and I wish him all the best, but he has to go, now or the end of the season. People said we should never had let Nolan go when he left, or Carroll or Barton. Look at what we achieved last season without them. We can achieve the same without Pardew too, trust me. You're saying our 3-0 win against Man United last season is a fluke when he comprehensively outplayed them and Pardew's tactics were central to that (starting Raylor over HBA, for example. Something I criticised him for pre-match). Don't be bloody stupid man. I don't mind criticism of Pardew if it's legitimate but give the man credit where it's due. It's hard to take you seriously when you chalk every single positive result under him down to an inordinate amount of luck. But if Pardew's tactics were central to us outplaying them, why didn't he persist with those fabulous tactics that beat the second best team in the league quite comfortably. I just don't see how a manager who is able to set out a team in such a mastermind way can also manage to lose to Fulham 5-2 couple of weeks later? Credit where it's due, Pardew did a great job setting us out defensively last season and he is still capable of that, my main criticism is he has no creativity offensively whatsoever and relied heavily on our players to produce blinders last season. You can't argue against that, and I don't think we should accept that as supporters of this fabulous club. I was at Allianz Arena today and saw Bayern score 9 on Hamburg, I'm obviously not comparing us to Bayern, but they were set out in a way that I'd love to see us play. Their four attacking players were basically hugging their four defenders while pushing their fullbacks forward. What really amazed me though was that when Hamburg tried the same they basically only moved one winger down and kept Kroos, Pizarro and Robben up top making Hamburgs tactics counterproductive as they weren't confident enough. I'd love Pardew to have some balls, let Sissoko, Cisse and Benny or Gouffran stay up top when other teams are attacking and try to win possession fast to counter. Because the way we are set out at the moment is ridiculous. Our wingers falls deeper than our fullbacks to help them out. All I'm asking for is for Pardew to have some cojones.

Hold on, were we outside the top 6 at any stage last season? We had one win in eight after our great start and then the season started to turn when Benny came into the side. Whether you like it or not, the Man U game was a fluke, beating them 3-0 with Raylor, Shola wasn't due to Pardew as he ain't god and they were in bad shape when they played us. We then won couple of games and then went on four games without a win before Benny and Cisse went on a run. Without those two we wouldn't have finished top 6... Seriously? Come on - that's beyond harsh imo. That was one of the most complete performances I can remember since Bobby - pretty much everyone was exceptional and we barely gave them a sniff. It was a fluke man. We giving such a performance was a fluke, we had nowhere near showed that quality during the whole season. We were in a completely different level than we've been before like you said. I don't mean it was a fluke in the way that we won, it was a fluke in the way that we managed to put such a perfomance in. Give your head a shake, man. There's no arguing with loops like you. Calling me a loop man, look at that. Seriously, if you're that miserable that you enjoy the way we play fair enough, but I know me and many others don't enjoy it. Truth is you can't see much football outside of Newcastle because your view on things is embarrassing. We are a bigger club than Stoke and Norwich, yet we play at the same level as them and are below them in the league. It's embarrassing that supporters can actually still think Pardew might be a good manager. He's a likeable guy and I wish him all the best, but he has to go, now or the end of the season. People said we should never had let Nolan go when he left, or Carroll or Barton. Look at what we achieved last season without them. We can achieve the same without Pardew too, trust me.

Hold on, were we outside the top 6 at any stage last season? We had one win in eight after our great start and then the season started to turn when Benny came into the side. Whether you like it or not, the Man U game was a fluke, beating them 3-0 with Raylor, Shola wasn't due to Pardew as he ain't god and they were in bad shape when they played us. We then won couple of games and then went on four games without a win before Benny and Cisse went on a run. Without those two we wouldn't have finished top 6... Seriously? Come on - that's beyond harsh imo. That was one of the most complete performances I can remember since Bobby - pretty much everyone was exceptional and we barely gave them a sniff. It was a fluke man. We giving such a performance was a fluke, we had nowhere near showed that quality during the whole season. We were in a completely different level than we've been before like you said. I don't mean it was a fluke in the way that we won, it was a fluke in the way that we managed to put such a perfomance in.

Hold on, were we outside the top 6 at any stage last season? We had one win in eight after our great start and then the season started to turn when Benny came into the side. Whether you like it or not, the Man U game was a fluke, beating them 3-0 with Raylor, Shola wasn't due to Pardew as he ain't god and they were in bad shape when they played us. We then won couple of games and then went on four games without a win before Benny and Cisse went on a run. Without those two we wouldn't have finished top 6...

FWIW Ben Arfa and Cisse turned our season into a good one last season, otherwise we would've finished mid-table. Pardew was punching above his weight because of the players he had at his disposal and their form. He is not a manager for the long term and anyone who knows football knows this. The fact that he is a likeable character at times is what is keeping the fans from turning against him completely.

Fair or not, it's basically true. Mick you know very well it's not BASICALLY true, it's THE truth.

We've had consistently s**** football with a six-game anomaly. I don't want to re-live arguments from last season, but I don't think that's fair at all and is to do with why I think he should have till Christmas. Last season was an excellent managerial performance on the whole; this season has been a poor managerial performance on the whole. Fair enough, me neither - it's been done to death The main point of my post was the long-term prospect of Pardew as manager. If you, or anyone else, can see him having the coaching ability to ever get us playing attractive football and dictating games on even a semi-regular basis then I envy your faith and wish I had some myself. Same.

We've had consistently s**** football with a six-game anomaly. I don't want to re-live arguments from last season, but I don't think that's fair at all and is to do with why I think he should have till Christmas. Last season was an excellent managerial performance on the whole; this season has been a poor managerial performance on the whole. Really wasn't though, we had a great start, then our luck turned and we were in bad shape when he decided to finally give in and start Benny who turned the season around for us...

This is exactly my feeling. I just don't enjoy the way we play, and that's why I don't watch Italian football. It was fun last season winning games but some games were just horrendous to watch even last season.

Fair enough Missed that, sorry about the misunderstanding, and I do agree. I might be a tad harsh, but I was along with Mick (pretty sure it was Mick) a big criticizer of Pardew even last season.

Results are the ultimate determiner though, as Icke said. Right, but he isn't getting any results this season. 31 games, 33points.. Aye, last season being 65 from 38, hence the 'mixed bag' summary. () I'm not discussing last season, I'm discussing this season and how people keep on blaming injuries as the sole reason. I love how some say Stoke should go down because of the way they play when they themselves only care about results... There's so much double standards in this forum sometimes it's ridiculous.

Results are the ultimate determiner though, as Icke said. Right, but he isn't getting any results this season. 31 games, 33points..

FWIW me, the man with number in his name agrees with you. I've seriously not been more bored of a footballing side than Newcastle United Football Club at the moment. I just hope Pardew can steer us clear of relegation...Feels a bit like it us, Norwich, Sunderland and Villa whow ill be seriously fighting for that spot. If Sunderland gets a revival from a new manager we might be going into the last day of the season with a chance to go down...

I still can't get over it how good of a game it was. You also get quite a different perspective of how good Schweinsteiger is of a player when you see the whole pitch. He was all over the pitch for 90 minutes, incredible player.

I think it speaks volumes that despite our position Pardew hasn't lost the dressing room. ? I don't understand this reasoning, I think it speaks volumes that Pardew can't get the team to win games with a good dressing room

http://img.skysports.com/10/08/800x600/Birmingham-v-Blackburn-Alex-Mcleish-celeb-sec_2492949.jpg Imagine that. I'd love for them to hire him, stay up, label him the new Mackemsiah and then to be in the same position in 12 months if not worse.

Yeah, but you've got numbers after your name. What do you know? Touché

We can't afford to keep him for another 6 games let alone another 12 months. Why does he need more time? He's going to have been here for 2 and a half season come the end of the season. What manager needs 4 years to implement his style of football? I'm sorry, but I would love for him to prove me wrong, but unfortunately I'm a firm believer that he sees football in a cowardly way.