Northern Monkey

no, but he is also supposed to work with better players to identify and resolve personality issues.

Alas neither of them were any good.

that would require some astonishing changes in ability/tactics/management.

You think Duff came here for Roeder ? Your deluded. He came for the money and his mates in the team. Martins has come from another country and would do anything to play in the premiership. What he said.

In fact, if you disregard completely all of the great things he's done, and the fact that he has not relegated numerous teams, he's on the same level as Roeder.

As bad as him? Only the ones we KNEW were shitehouses - the Shambles and Moores of this world.

If only life was as simple as that, obviously no chance that it could be wonderboys fault. probably not blameless, but Roeder is a fuckwit, he's proven himself more than capable of this. Its his job to keep talent like this. Not lose it. I blame Roeder for this one, on good info aswell. explain, please I could tell you but then I would have to kill you Tell him! Tell him!!!

Luque is on our side man.. he's a victim of Roeder's genius, just like you and me He's been shite for us from day one, regardless of the manager.

"lets give him one more chance, he's BOUND to perform". No, actualky, lets not. He's been shite, he is shite. Get rid.

Don't hold your breath. I can't. Smoked for years, got lungs like raisins.

No-one on here knows what goes on on the training ground, we can all just make our opinion on the 'facts' we have. For me, The Zog could be a special talent, and a good manager would be able to handle any youthful attitude. The fact that anyone might want to get rid of him because of some supposed 'billy big bollocks' attitude while accepting the continuing employment of Shambles and Dyer is beyond me. if The Zog really IS a bad apple, peddle the cunt, but lets have a GOOD manager have a look at him first. And if he has to go, lets not pretend some of his peers are anything but horrible little scumbags as well.

I'm still waiting for a response, but he might be busy re-writing history to try to make his mate Roeder appear competent.

If only life was as simple as that, obviously no chance that it could be wonderboys fault. probably not blameless, but Roeder is a fuckwit, he's proven himself more than capable of this. Its his job to keep talent like this. Not lose it.

Moyes, Jol, O'Neill. Although, in fairness, all of the Premiership, and probably all of the non-Premiership ones in that list are FAR better than the piece of shite we have at the moment.

This. Very much this.

Harper Nobby---Taylor-----Gooch----Edgar Milner---Parker------Butt----Zoggy ----------Carroll---Martins Bench: Krul Carr Shambles Luque Le Sib

It's something I could see happening, a way of Roeder getting shipped out of the hot seat without actually having to be fired. He doesn't have the credentials to be a DOF though and would be a flop in that role IMHO. Sacked or shunted sideways? Suppose it depends how FFS would repay loyalty. I totally agree with your thoughts on GR's likely success as a DoF, doesn't have have the attributes that would be needed, Pleat is better qualified. Moving Roeder to a position of DoF very much would be a 'jobs for the boys' appointment. If the DoF has anything to with the actual football, it'd also be a very bad appointment.

I've been following your arguments closely, and I'm of the opinion that since you're hypothetical is somewhat outside the square, you should also expect some answers to be outside the square too... You've said (and I'm paraphrasing here) that people who say they don't support football are mocked as boring etc. But what if you turn it around and say something like "I don't follow football anymore, Shepherd killed my love for it"? Because something very comparable happened to me in a different code. Born in a rugby league region, I followed league right up until the Super League War in 1995, at which time my club was forced to merge with our fiercest rivals (now just think about that for a second - we are talking on a Newcastle-Sunderland scale here). From that moment any love I had for the game died, I didn't ever watch another game again. When asked who I support, I adopt an aggressive bluster and say "f*** League, Rupert (Murdoch) killed the game for me" Which is why someone saying they would jack it in is not unreasonable - such a scenario as posited in your opening post would be enough to totally and absolutely kill someone's love for the game hardly a common scenario though is it, only in a few pubs someone asking you who you support is going to mean Rugby League. And if i'm being honest, I can't see why you wouldn't grudgingly at the end of the day continue to support the merged team, if it's the only way the game survives. I't happening up here right now with Edinburgh/Glasgow/Borders. At the end of the day, you've probably just hastened the death of RL altogether I think I can hear you ma shoutin a'ye eh? who the fuck are you btw? Don't go getting all deep and meaningful on us. Just make an inane, childish, misplaced jibe about how shit a poster he is, and defend Roeder a bit, there's a good lad.

No, I woudl agree with the possible reason given above by 'tomi' - Father dying last season, Being hailed as bright prospect then being dumped for Duff, Best mate (boum) leaving - these may have been factors - not just criticism by a local journo. However, the question is why is Oliver seemingly going after N'Zogbia alone, and not the rest of the player that have underperformed this season - such as Duff, Carr, Babayaro to name a few?? In todays article he even questions who would pay any money for N'Zogbia, given his performances this season??!! It just smacks of a vendetta against the player, nowt else - it can't really be called 'constructive criticism', can it??? MJ for all the shite players they may be, have Duff, Carr, Babayaro ever refused to play for the club when asked, or bitched when not selected? I don't know. And neither do you. Rumour is that Duff and Babayaro are in the pick-their-games club, but thats clearly unsubstantiated, and probably off the mark.

whats the situation with our moon? has it gone awol? It's going to blow up too. Stick to the question. Can we build a new Moon, and live there? We can live on another moon, just not ours. I'd go for Titan. Fuck that. Methane lakes? Not for me. Also, its only the second biggest moon. Ganymede for me. Jupiter is way cooler than Saturn anyway. tbh.

Well, here in Australia (well, in the northern states anyway), if you don't follow league you can't hold a conversation in winter - it effects your social skills in exactly the same way not following football would in England Hence why I said it was comparable. Indeed, it was exactly why I had to develop the aggressive bluster - because people think you're a poof if you don't follow league! And since this is a hypothetical thread - are you saying you would support a merged Newcastle-Sunderland club if it was forced on you? Not being a Geordie, I can only go on my assumptions, but I would have thought if that ever happened the entire city would turn their backs on the game and follow either league or union! given a choice between a merged club or switching to Boro/Hartlepool/Whitley Bay/Blyth I would support the merged club. I think the directors would be banking on that aswell the question being, where would they play and what would they be called? Nevergoingtohappen FC

So we should only play those who we KNOW are loyal or committed? So thats about 3. We're going to get tonked, every week. Starting line-up to include Peter Ramage, Lee Clark and Steven Taylor Given, Ramage and Taylor. Clark is too creative for Roeder.

whats the situation with our moon? has it gone awol? It's going to blow up too. Stick to the question. Can we build a new Moon, and live there?

So we should only play those who we KNOW are loyal or committed? So thats about 3. We're going to get tonked, every week.