chicago_shearer

Champions - Chelsea 

Champions League - Inter

FA Cup - NEWCASTLE

League Cup - Arsenal

Top Scorer - Fernando Torres

Surprise Package - West Brom

UEFA Cup - Valencia

Top 4 - Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal

10-15lbs on Viduka.

 

At least that.

 

Well done.

 

Go to wherever you can buy stickers in Chicago, buy yourself a gold star, and stick it on your chest.

A quality central midfielder.

10-15lbs on Viduka.

Concerned, but edging very close to cautiously optimistic if we get those 2 other players in.

I was wrong.  Well done to the club for getting him registered.

If we have the players who are available now minus   owen out as rumoured and the 2 argys not having papers and signed it will be  even more of a up hill battle  and have no confidence in us getting a point  knowing our history down there but things may change but atm i feel fookin annoyed that we go into our first game of the season in such a mess  :-[

 

Meh. It's Man Utd anyways

Fair enough.  But don't you find it frustrating that the club are taking that attitude too?

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/PlayerProfiles/0,,10278~5887,00.html

Should post that on SMB and see if anyone bites.

D.  Not what I hoped for or expected. 

Berbatov won't be in the squad.  Transfers take time these days, don't they?  This isnt FM, it could be weeks before the mountain of paperwork gets done, and Berbatov sorts out his affairs in London.  FFS, don't be impatient, jesus wept.

Again, this just doesn't make sense.  Why would Keegan say repeatedly that he wants defensive reinforcements and then sell our best centre-half? 

Despite all evidence to the contrary, I'm still going to assume that Ashley, Wise & Keegan have some sort of strategy to their activity this summer.  Selling Faye doesn't fit.  Until he turns up wearing a Stoke shirt, I'm going to pretend this is lies. 

I think I've had just about enough of this summer actually.  Nothing good has happened since Jonas "signed".  Let's just get on with the football.

Have people entertained the notion that maybe, just maybe, Taylor might improve next year? Better partner beside him, hopefully better midfield to protect him, a year older, better manager that'll give him some confidence.

Hopefully being the key word there seeing as we've made very little improvement at all in that area.

Hardly worth getting Keegan on the steps outside SJP tbh.

 

Players like Faye come and go.

No they don't.  Not at this club.  He was a solid dependable professional with Premiership experience in a club where exaggerated reputations, inconsistency and hype are the norm. 

Why would you sign a top class centre-half and then sell your most dependable defender to a relegation contender?  If this isn't bullshit then I'm going to start wondering whether the guys in charge have any idea what they are doing.

My god that was cringe worthy.  What an idiot. 

What bothers me is the sanctimonious media campaign against him.  In all honesty he deserves whatever the FA dish out for being an idiot and a thug.  We should never have signed him.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/aug/14/newcastleunited.manchestercity?gusrc=rss&feed=football

15 match ban it says there.

Fucks sake people how many times do I have to post this.

 

Article 17 is not yet like the Bosman ruling. You can't just invoke it and sign the player. You have to invoke it then if the selling club (Mallorca) refuses to recognize Article 17 then FIFA/UEFA have to hold a hearing (which based on the Webster precedent took a decent amount of time) to decide who pays who how much compensation, which is further complicated in this case by the fact Mallorca and Velez both own him. The dual ownership aspect of Article 17 has never been seen before so there is no precedent so it will take more time to get FIFA to transfer his registration.

 

Webster's registration wasn't held up until the amount of the compensation was agreed though was it? Theoretically, there should be no hold up at all as it's quite clear in the regulations that he is entitled to break his contract, the only matter to be resolved is the amount of the compensation and to whom it should be paid. Can't really blame the club if FIFA/UEFA are being slow about it.

Going off memnory I don't think Webster played until it was all sorted. Theoretically that's how it should work but the ruling is just too new for it too work like that, it may work like that in 2 or 3 years time but not at the moment.

If they get some sort of special dispensation to allow him to play in the mean time, then fair enough.  I take back what I said.  A very shrewd business deal that improved the squad, well done Wise & Ashley.

Otherwise, they took a big gamble to save some money on a player we wanted, and that might negatively affect our results on the pitch.  In the mean time, and with full knowledge of the complications involved, they made very few noteable improvements to an underperforming squad before the start of the season. 

 

i'll reply in 2 ways before kip;

 

1. it's a good point, something unexpected happened after they announced the signing yet they chose not to announce said impediment

 

2. we employ people on crazy wages, embarrassing wages really, to ensure this s*** does not happen

 

have you seen it at another club? me either?

 

thus someones not earning their money, fucken sack em

 

Give your head a shake.

 

Rules are not set by our club, we're bringing a player in by using a rule which is relatively new and it's the first time we've used it so we'll have to learn as we go on, it will be the same for the Spanish FA and his former club who understandably don't want to lose out.  They would be stupid to throw the towel in without a fight and I would hope we would do the same if the situation was reversed.

 

You calling for a sacking because of this is stupid to say the least.

 

Let's say we don't get off to a good start, and a talented player like Jonas is stuck watching from the stands for a month or even two.  What then?  Do we blame Mallorca for wanting more money or the procedures the club knew FIFA had in place to deal with Webster deals?  Or ourselves.  Is that just the price we pay?

This is an 11th placed squad aiming to improve about 10 points (based on last season) and climb to 8th.  Three days before the start of the season, we have made only two improvements in that direction, and the board made a gamble that may keep one of them out of the team until an arbitration panel hopefully decide in our favour.  Why should I be giving them the benefit of the doubt? 

If the Jonas registration is true, then I have to assume they will get that resolved in time for Sunday.  They can't afford not to.  They have had a month and a half to identify this problem and find a solution.  If he can't play, someone wants sacking.  You don't run a club like that.

 

this

 

Give me one good reason for NUFC not wanting to tie up this deal and have him available for the game.

your post bears no relevance to the 2 you've quoted

 

You're criticising the running of the club. I'm saying it isn't totally their fault and they want the deal done asap.

 

You want people sacked for not getting the deal done ffs.

you said give me a reason for NUFC not wanting the deal concluded, neither of us mentioned desire as a factor

 

as chicago says the deal was announced weeks ago, if he's not eligible to play sunday someone needs sacking..."want" has nothing to do with it

 

Even if it's not our fault? 

 

Has it occurred to you that a the time we signed him and announced it, we believed the player's documentation was in transit too? The problems may have happened after we confirmed it. You can't rewind time.

 

I'm just saying that I think the club is doing everything it can to get the documents and they're as pissed off about it all as you, I and all of us are. If another party, the Spanish FA, is holding the deal up, it's not our fault.

 

Jesus f***ing wept. 

They confirmed it a month and a half ago.  They have had a lot of time to resolve this problem, and they haven't.  Whether they wanted to or tried very hard doesn't matter.  When you make only 2 first team signings, you expect them to play. 

So yes, I am criticizing the way the club is being run.  I honestly didn't expect to be looking at the same team on August 16 that lost 0-6 minus Stephen Carr, plus Bolton's Danny Guthrie. 

I don't think you can afford to keep things that simple when you have a national media machine that publishes hostile articles on a daily basis.  Supporters won't be content to assume everything is fine behind the scenes when the media is constantly telling them otherwise.  The potential investors that Ashley is looking for won't either. 

If the Jonas registration is true, then I have to assume they will get that resolved in time for Sunday.  They can't afford not to.  They have had a month and a half to identify this problem and find a solution.  If he can't play, someone wants sacking.  You don't run a club like that.

A good PR machine would see these stories about Jonas' registration and post a swift clarification on the website so both the media and supporters know exactly what is going on.

If he isn't eligible to play on Sunday, they should let us know and then they should explain how it happened.  If the story isn't true, they should put fears to rest. 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/newcastle/article4526320.ece

Newcastle hit by Jonas Gutierrez row

Mallorca are disputing the Argentina winger's ownership and Kevin Keegan is unsure whether he can play in opening match

 

George Caulkin

With Jonás Gutiérrez yet to receive international clearance, Aston Villa renewing their interest in James Milner, both Michael Owen and Obafemi Martins groping for fitness and other players injured or out of form, Newcastle United are facing an arduous visit to Old Trafford on Sunday.

 

Having signed Gutiérrez from Mallorca last month - the Argentina winger bought himself out of his contract - Kevin Keegan is uncertain whether he will be able to field Gutiérrez in his team's first match of the Barclays Premier League season against Manchester United. With Newcastle and Mallorca disputing the player's ownership, the Spanish football authorities have declined to release the 25-year-old's paperwork and the FA has asked Fifa, world football's governing body, to resolve the matter.

 

That situation would be more palatable if Keegan's other resources were not stretched. A £10million deal to sign Fabricio Coloccini is yet to be confirmed and with rumours abounding that the manager must sell before he adds to his squad, Villa are understood to have submitted a £9million offer for Milner.

 

Sunderland also face a striker shortage, with Michael Chopra suspended for three matches after being sent off in a pre-season friendly against Sporting Lisbon.