simonsays

should have scored

Ben Watson is even worse at set pieces than Guthrie!

if it was 6 months on his contract I could understand it, but 18 months?  Surely it's bollox

Young Player of the Year if he continues to anywhere near the same level. An absolute gem.....and Geordie!

 

 

Bale, no?

I think Bale is having a good enough season to get the grown ups version.  Can a player win both?

I assume Essien will get a 3 match ban for the potential leg breaker on Gareth Bale that the referee missed yesterday?

As Ronaldo slams £4k on Pardew, Neil is in the middle of some high stakes action himself:

 

A whole £15 on Liverpool -1. Will contemplate further investment later.

 

It was about £1250.  Still pocket change to Ronny.

 

Wish I had the balls to put that much money on a bet. Fair play to Ronald.

 

I didn't put £4K on and i've no idea where the figure has come from. It's around half that.

 

Are you not tempted just to lay it on betfair?

 

Why?

Because when I last looked you could lay at about 1.14 which means you'd still make a healthy profit without any risk.

As Ronaldo slams £4k on Pardew, Neil is in the middle of some high stakes action himself:

 

A whole £15 on Liverpool -1. Will contemplate further investment later.

 

It was about £1250.  Still pocket change to Ronny.

 

Wish I had the balls to put that much money on a bet. Fair play to Ronald.

 

I didn't put £4K on and i've no idea where the figure has come from. It's around half that.

Are you not tempted just to lay it on betfair?

How many players slot straight into a Premiership team after playing all their football in the lower leagues?  Writing off a player who wasn't even brought in to be our first choice right back after he has only played a handful of games is laughable.  Now that Simpson is back Perch can be given games in the cups, get to know his team mates better and gain a bit of confidence.  I'm not saying he is going to set the world alight but he does at least give us a little depth of cover across the back four which is something we have been sorely missing over the last couple of seasons

Slightly better than Colo yesterday but really that was Colo's best game in a B&W shirt, though that also goes for a few others as well.

 

Can't judge on Manu, and really the Villa game is distorted, Wolves will be the real test for both of them, hope they keep it up. Considering how much he cost (10% of Colo fee) and how much we pay him (15% of Colo's wages) he is a massive bargain.

I agree completely - he has started the season very well but i think we should see how he does in a game when we don't have a 3 goal cushion at half time.  As good as he an Colo were yesterday they were caught out a good few times by Young's pace in the first 25 minutes or so.

seems odd that most people would be delighted if we signed Ben Arfa outright now, but would be against a loa deal which specified we would be obliged to sign him for a pre-agreed fee if we stay up this season

I don't think Hughton was ever after a creative central midfielder with Barton due back soon.

this - tbh I would rather wait until the summer for a decent premiership level creative midfielder - despite their obvious shortcomings I think our current midfielders have just about enough about them to get us out of this league

Had we not been after Beckford & Moses fans may have been less pissed off with this signing, but its such a drop from who we were after.

 

Nail on the head. Typical NUFC signing these days.

 

Seems we're getting ourselves geared up for a relegations scrap next year.

 

No offence, but this is ridiculous point of view on a number of levels.

 

We aren't a Premiership club, we don't have much money, so we need to make signings of cheap players who have potential to do better than they have before.

 

Obviously when we're in the Championship we can't prepare a team for a top half challenge in the Premiership, for one thing we can't afford to take the risk with the wage bill.

 

Don't agree in the slightest. We will be promoted and that means why should be planning for it now.

 

How many players out of our current squad are good enough for the Premiership - 7 maybe?

 

Now is the time to be buying players good enough to play at that level who need time to gel with the current side - this is when we should be looking for the next Enrique (young, great potential and probably not after silly wages).

 

We don't have much money - who does? We've got the smallest wage bill we've had in years and with some good planning it could be even smaller - that must free up some capital.

 

We've got to plan for the premiership so all of this bollocks about being a championship club is short sighted - we've got one foot back into the Premiership and need to start to act like a big club again - that means investing in players good enough to improve the team immediately.

 

 

 

Didn't Enrique cost £6m. That seems a lot to spend when we don't have much money

 

I thought he was £4.5m but you might be right - I've not looked it up.

 

Point being we should be scouring the various overseas leagues looking for people with the potential to play at the top level and also change our current playing style.

 

why should we be looking to change our current playing style when we are top of the league?  Fair enough we play ugly, long ball rubbish but if it is good enough to get us back in the premiership then I am happy with it.

 

We need to guarantee promotion and then change it because it won't work against those teams that can pass and move nor against those who adopt a similar style meaning we'll be up against it from the off.

 

We're like a very poor mans Stoke or Bolton and Bolton are looking to adapt their style and slowly move away from long ball/bullying whilst Stoke and others are way better than us at the ugly stuff because they have some movement/quality to go with it.

 

I'd liked to have seen us sign people in time to get them to gel with the squad and be able to play football with their feet rather than their heads.

 

 

In an ideal world where we were already guaranteed promotion I'd agree with you and I think we will have to change our style if we are in the Premiership next season.  However I would be reluctant to take the risk of starting to play that way at the moment when our current tactics seem to be working relatively well. 

Had we not been after Beckford & Moses fans may have been less pissed off with this signing, but its such a drop from who we were after.

 

Nail on the head. Typical NUFC signing these days.

 

Seems we're getting ourselves geared up for a relegations scrap next year.

 

No offence, but this is ridiculous point of view on a number of levels.

 

We aren't a Premiership club, we don't have much money, so we need to make signings of cheap players who have potential to do better than they have before.

 

Obviously when we're in the Championship we can't prepare a team for a top half challenge in the Premiership, for one thing we can't afford to take the risk with the wage bill.

 

Don't agree in the slightest. We will be promoted and that means why should be planning for it now.

 

How many players out of our current squad are good enough for the Premiership - 7 maybe?

 

Now is the time to be buying players good enough to play at that level who need time to gel with the current side - this is when we should be looking for the next Enrique (young, great potential and probably not after silly wages).

 

We don't have much money - who does? We've got the smallest wage bill we've had in years and with some good planning it could be even smaller - that must free up some capital.

 

We've got to plan for the premiership so all of this bollocks about being a championship club is short sighted - we've got one foot back into the Premiership and need to start to act like a big club again - that means investing in players good enough to improve the team immediately.

 

 

 

Didn't Enrique cost £6m. That seems a lot to spend when we don't have much money

 

I thought he was £4.5m but you might be right - I've not looked it up.

 

Point being we should be scouring the various overseas leagues looking for people with the potential to play at the top level and also change our current playing style.

why should we be looking to change our current playing style when we are top of the league?  Fair enough we play ugly, long ball rubbish but if it is good enough to get us back in the premiership then I am happy with it.

I'd love all these people criticising the signings to come up with an equivalent list to those that we have signed.

 

And please, leave Beckford and Moses off, as we tried and failed for both of them, for one or a number of reasons.

 

But, I'd genuinely be interested to see who people think we realitically could/should have signed in our current economic and league situation.

 

Maybe if the club had an effective scouting network you wouldn't be on here looking for suggestions.

 

Why leave Moses and Beckford off the list? We failed to attract them to the club - why is that? Money. We wouldn't compete with Wigan on transfer fee.

 

Yet we'll spunk money away on players who've never proved themselves capable of top level football.

 

It beggars belief the lack of ambition and forward planning at the club and also makes me question Mr Nice Guys ability to persuade genuine talent to come to the club.

 

 

when has Moses proved himself capable of top level football?  It seems you would have been delighted for us to spunk 2.5m on him

 

I'd have been happy for us to make an investment on someone who is widely tipped to make an impact on the game at the highest level - if he doesn't make the grade then he's a bad gamble and we'll incur a small loss.

 

Leon Best comes with no reputation and has a career history showing a handful of goals. We were competing with Boro to get him - I hardly think he'll set the premiership alight in his tenure with us, therefore a short term, short sighted signing on the cheap.

 

Wonderful.

 

widely tipped by who?  I have heard a lot of chat from his agent and plenty of reports from the tabloids about all the scouts coming to look at him but I have yet to hear a top manager praise him or see a top club make a firm offer.  Fair enough we were competing against Boro for Leon Best but who was our competition for Moses? West Brom, Nottingham Forrest and Wigan - hardly Premiership big guns are they.

I'd love all these people criticising the signings to come up with an equivalent list to those that we have signed.

 

And please, leave Beckford and Moses off, as we tried and failed for both of them, for one or a number of reasons.

 

But, I'd genuinely be interested to see who people think we realitically could/should have signed in our current economic and league situation.

 

Maybe if the club had an effective scouting network you wouldn't be on here looking for suggestions.

 

Why leave Moses and Beckford off the list? We failed to attract them to the club - why is that? Money. We wouldn't compete with Wigan on transfer fee.

 

Yet we'll spunk money away on players who've never proved themselves capable of top level football.

 

It beggars belief the lack of ambition and forward planning at the club and also makes me question Mr Nice Guys ability to persuade genuine talent to come to the club.

 

when has Moses proved himself capable of top level football?  It seems you would have been delighted for us to spunk 2.5m on him

I doubt very many people on here have seen him play more than once or twice but still seem willing to write him off because he isn't an unproven 19 year old surrounded by a load of hype

 

The ones surrounded by hype tend to be surrounded by hype for a reason.

The ones who are genuine quality tend to be signed up by the big teams - not relegation fodder like Wigan.  There as been no evidence that any top half club ever had a genuine interest in Moses, just a lot of agent and tabloid talk about Madrid and Barcelona being interested

I doubt very many people on here have seen him play more than once or twice but still seem willing to write him off because he isn't an unproven 19 year old surrounded by a load of hype

Dave Kitson has gone to Boro on loan

Wonder if Hughton will get another loan in to replace him. He said on the official site that he would if we get any more long term injuries.

hopefully a winger rather than another central midfielder

Yeah... i meant rather, what constitutes to an 'emergency'. We've got two recognised centre-backs and two youngsters who have appeared in the squad on more than one occassion. Surely going for Cathcart would hardly be deemed an 'emergency'.

Calling loans outside the transfer window 'emergency loans' is a bit of a misnomer as it seems that they can be carried out whatever the circumstances.

Can I ask where this idea of Moat not having enough funds comes from?

 

The only thing that has been confirmed here is that the Overdraft facility is going through the process of ensuring it is able to continued in Moats name. 

 

The rest is speculation/conjecture made up from the rags surely, based purely on assumptions - even Louise (makem b******) taylors detailed speculative piece?

 

Well, it does seem that it is taking the 'Moat Consortium' (shall we call it) quite some time to get the NUFC overdraft level agreed with the banks (what else could the delay be about?) and so from that you can speculate that the consortium does not have as much money behind it as Ashley has. 

 

And, when you consider the fact that Ashley has nowhere near enough money to run a competitive and potentially successful ('big spending', of necessity, to be successful) Premier League Club, what hope can we have for the Moat Consortium, for the future?

 

"Rid of Ashley" might well turn out to be it's best (if not its only) plus-point!

I think all you can draw from the fact that the renewal of the overdraft is taking so long is that Barclays are unwilling to give a Premiership level overdraft to a Championship club.  I honestly believe that even if Ashley remains in charge Barclays will still be looking to reduce the overdraft.

it seems the Railway Telegraph in Thornton Heath is the place to go

he made a very poor German midfield look half decent when he came on in the EC - I'd take him in a shot

BBC are reporting that informal talks did take place - still can't see a deal; being done at that price though

nufc.com are saying that the other club is Portsmouth, not Arsenal