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Fkn class!

I've always felt the thing surrounding Gerrard on the right at the start of the season was a total lot of rubbish as he played there a lot last season and was firing on all cylinders so I've always felt that argument was flawed. They still lack a cutting edge so to speak, some sort of natural goalscorer as Kuyt has never been a natural goalscorer despite his high number of goals in the Dutch league as he does like to drop deep and does a lot of unselfish work outside the box and likes to bring others into play.

Good. So care to explain why by mentioning Cantona I must love Man U? It was a bit of sensationalising lad christ. :roll: Good. I should have known that you are just another irresponsible poster in this board. But to say Cantona's finishing was as good as Shearer's as I've said is very short sighted due to the amount of difference between the goals both players scored during their careers. Andy Cole at us was sensational but his finishing didn't seem to be as good when he was at Man Yoo for whatever reason. How many year has Cantona had in Premiership, and how many years has Shearer had? And is Cantona out and out striker ala Cantona? One goal for me that proves the genius of Shearer's finishing has to be away at Chelsea in '96, absolutely brilliant finish. Cantona has had a lot more genius and classy goal than Shearer. Pele also played in the same position as Cantona though mate and scored over 1,000 goals so I don't believe the position argument counts. Cantona was a class finisher I'm not denying that but as I've said I wouldn't class him in the same league as the Shearer's and such due to the sheer amount of times Shearer and co actually put the ball in the back of the net. If you mentioned Cantona then I'd also feel inclined to mention the likes of Le Tissier who with Cantona in their own right scored many brilliant goals but didn't have the sheer number of goals to be classed as great finishers. As I've said I've saw Shearer do things only he could do, then I've saw Cantona do things that he could also only do that Shearer couldn't with such things as his vision, his flicks and tricks to bring other people into play. That Shearer goal I was on about was an example as if you look at it, the narrowness of the angle he had, no it wasn't as eye catch as say Cantona's chip vs The Mackems or his volley versus Palace but I just thought it was fantastic as it should Shearer's callus and calculation and in front of goal, the same with his 2nd versus the Dutch, he barely had any of the goal to aim at with Van Der Sar flying down at him, but managed to hit it at such an acute angle to get it where he did where most people would have just hit it straight at Van Der Sar. Those are the little things I notice which seperate the good from the great strikers. Great players like Shearer make those finishes look easy when my god they aren't. You see we both appreciate genius, but just in different forms. Then again what would I know due to my irresponsibleness. bluedead.gif

Delima sort your quoting out man, so I can reply properly.

Something about a Butt Plug springs to mind.

Good. So care to explain why by mentioning Cantona I must love Man U? It was a bit of sensationalising lad christ. :roll: But to say Cantona's finishing was as good as Shearer's as I've said is very short sighted due to the amount of difference between the goals both players scored during their careers. Andy Cole at us was sensational but his finishing didn't seem to be as good when he was at Man Yoo for whatever reason. One goal for me that proves the genius of Shearer's finishing has to be away at Chelsea in '96, absolutely brilliant finish.

The way I read it was that although not prolific, his shooting was accurate which I agree. I can't remember Cantona wasting many chances that fell his way so in that sense, i.e. number of goals to shots, you could say he was prolific and maybe that's what Delima was getting at? Or maybe not Still don't agree with it either way as there's countless players you could have in there if you include the likes of Cantona. Past 10 years I'd have to say it would be the likes of Shearer, Ronaldo, Batistuta, Van Nistelrooy, Shevchenko & Romario (best finisher of all time after Gerd Muller). For goodness sake, what's wrong with praising a Manchester United player? Grow up please. When I wished Sunderland luck I was said to be a Mackem. When i wished Boro luck I am said to be a Smoggie. When I used the acronym EPL I am said to be a yank. Now I praise a Man U player I am a fifth column from Man U? Whether I have a penchant of Manchester United player, it doesn't affect my opinion that Cantona's all-round shootings are usually accurate. Thank you Knightrider. Also, obviously I am comparing Shearer to other premiership players. A comparison can only be meaningful when the obstacles they are facing are similar. In premiership it is a culture that defenders should not allow forwards to have space and time to shoot with ease. No point comparing players of other leagues to Shearer. Quality... especially as you can see I've mentioned Van Nistelrooy.

Or Mick Quinn!

Ronaldo from 96-99 was a freak of nature, best player I've seen in my lifetime and by some distance. Not just the fact he could beat 5 men at a time but he also had the composure to finish those moves off. If injury and lack of motivation post 2002 hadn't occurred he could have had a rightful claim to Pele or Maradona's (personal preference but Pele for me) crown.

Romario fluffing easy chances, that has to be a lie there and then. Never seen a player in my lifetime so cool and composed infront of goal. Ronaldo as well at Madrid, give him the ball in front of goal and he puts it away, still lethal as anything in a 1 vs 1 scenario. I vividly recall Ronaldo missing quite a few chances for Madrid over the years and striking a few shots like they were backpasses among other groans. Same with Romario, seen him one on one with the keeper a few times and instead of slotting it past him, he would send a chip over the bar or try a fancy wriggle only to be denied. For example. Edit: Not the Romario who played for Barca and Brazil, the old man Romario who played in the Brazilian league. BTW Romario is probably the best striker I've ever seen, one of my fave all-time footballers.

Romario fluffing easy chances, that has to be a lie there and then. Never seen a player in my lifetime so cool and composed infront of goal. Ronaldo as well at Madrid, give him the ball in front of goal and he puts it away, still lethal as anything in a 1 vs 1 scenario.

Henry? Cantona? If you only counted in the box you have RVN, Andy Cole etc. Not that I am undermining Shearer's achievement. Like I said, not many. I'll give you RVN though Cole? Missed loads of chances in his Man Utd days. Henry despite his goal tally misses a lot although I think that might have something to do with the sheer number of shots he does have which I imagine to be more than most so the percentages are bound to be effected. Cantona? He was quite accurate I agree. Cantona? when will your Man Yoo loving ever stop. Cantona was nowhere near the finisher of Shearer, just look at career goals for that. Just like Shearer had nowhere the flair and creativity of Cantona. The way I read it was that although not prolific, his shooting was accurate which I agree. I can't remember Cantona wasting many chances that fell his way so in that sense, i.e. number of goals to shots, you could say he was prolific and maybe that's what Delima was getting at? Or maybe not Still don't agree with it either way as there's countless players you could have in there if you include the likes of Cantona. Past 10 years I'd have to say it would be the likes of Shearer, Ronaldo, Batistuta, Van Nistelrooy, Shevchenko & Romario (best finisher of all time after Gerd Muller).

Henry? Cantona? If you only counted in the box you have RVN, Andy Cole etc. Not that I am undermining Shearer's achievement. Like I said, not many. I'll give you RVN though Cole? Missed loads of chances in his Man Utd days. Henry despite his goal tally misses a lot although I think that might have something to do with the sheer number of shots he does have which I imagine to be more than most so the percentages are bound to be effected. Cantona? He was quite accurate I agree. Cantona? when will your Man Yoo loving ever stop. Cantona was nowhere near the finisher of Shearer, just look at career goals for that. Just like Shearer had nowhere the flair and creativity of Cantona.

You mean the Shola trap!

Tell that to Gerd Muller.

From the years 92-97 before Shearer suffered that horrific ankle injury IMO he was the greatest English striker of all time, he really did have it all. It's a testimony to the man really after that injury and the latter knee injury and not forgetting the earlier cruciate at Blackburn that he could come back and still score so many goals have lost his pace.

O'Neill was probably pissed during most of the World Cup, a theory which is supported if he made such a ridiculous statement. Shevtenko (or whatever) is a top class player. He definitely said it about Ibrahimovic though mate. To be fair to the media darliing, Ibrahimovic did have a shite world cup. He was awful all of last season as well, was fantastic in his first year at Juve mind.

O'Neill was probably pissed during most of the World Cup, a theory which is supported if he made such a ridiculous statement. Shevtenko (or whatever) is a top class player. He definitely said it about Ibrahimovic though mate.

I find that bizarre. I always felt safer with Hislop in goal (even though he wasn't that great either). Same here.

I agree and he wouldn't have let in either of Fentons strikes at Ewood,which was the straw that broke the camels back IMO. Flowers was mint that game as well.

How about Ben Foster? He has no obvious weakness, and he is good in everything. The next Peter Schmeichel. He should play between the sticks for England instead of Robinson. Peter Schmeichel, the best goalkeeper since Lev Yashin. Jesus wept! Love the way you always go on about all these old players, despite being old enough to be their grandkids. Schmeichel was honestly on a different planet though man than anything since Yashin, with Gordon Banks obviously giving him a run for his money. But seriously have you ever seen a keeper even close to Schmeichel? best player in the history of The Premiership in my eyes. How many times did you see Yashin and Banks in action to qualify those statements? I agree about Schmeichel though, best 'keeper I've ever seen, head and shoulders above them all, even wor Shay. Saw alot of footage from Yashin from the early 60's such as Euro Championship in 1960, and a few matches from the '58 World Cup. Saw all of England's games from '66 and '70 and more footage of Banks as I know a load who's a Stoke fan and has shown me plenty footage of him. Only man I've ever seen make a mug of Banks was George Best... not once twice may I add. I was only messing man, I share your fascination with past players, especially of the Hughie and Gallacher variety who according to me is the best ever player to have played for us, despite never seeing him play Bert Trautman was a top 'keeper BTW, I don't know if you've seen any footage of him but from what I've seen I think he had it all as well, so did Ronnie Simpson who played for us and then Celtic (winning the European Cup), he was a great 'keeper despite his height and stature. And remember in them days they had no gloves and the ball was like a brick. Simpson: http://www.khscott.org.uk/nufc/matches/player_detail.php?id=690 Trautman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bert_Trautmann I'm well familiar with them both may I add. Simpson in particular as me granda always goes on about him being the best keeper he's ever seen for us. What was more remarkable about Trautmann apart from the broken neck thing was how he overcame adversity post war during his time at Citeh due to all the prejudices in front of him.

How about Ben Foster? He has no obvious weakness, and he is good in everything. The next Peter Schmeichel. He should play between the sticks for England instead of Robinson. Peter Schmeichel, the best goalkeeper since Lev Yashin. Jesus wept! Love the way you always go on about all these old players, despite being old enough to be their grandkids. Schmeichel was honestly on a different planet though man than anything since Yashin, with Gordon Banks obviously giving him a run for his money. But seriously have you ever seen a keeper even close to Schmeichel? best player in the history of The Premiership in my eyes. How many times did you see Yashin and Banks in action to qualify those statements? I agree about Schmeichel though, best 'keeper I've ever seen, head and shoulders above them all, even wor Shay. Saw alot of footage from Yashin from the early 60's such as Euro Championship in 1960, and a few matches from the '58 World Cup. Saw all of England's games from '66 and '70 and more footage of Banks as I know a load who's a Stoke fan and has shown me plenty footage of him. Only man I've ever seen make a mug of Banks was George Best... not once twice may I add.

How about Ben Foster? He has no obvious weakness, and he is good in everything. The next Peter Schmeichel. He should play between the sticks for England instead of Robinson. Peter Schmeichel, the best goalkeeper since Lev Yashin. Jesus wept! Love the way you always go on about all these old players, despite being old enough to be their grandkids. Schmeichel was honestly on a different planet though man than anything since Yashin, with Gordon Banks obviously giving him a run for his money. But seriously have you ever seen a keeper even close to Schmeichel? best player in the history of The Premiership in my eyes.

Cech was brillant against Ghana in the World Cup and if your memory goes back even further watch that Holland vs Czech Republic game at Euro 2004.

How about Ben Foster? He has no obvious weakness, and he is good in everything. The next Peter Schmeichel. He should play between the sticks for England instead of Robinson. Peter Schmeichel, the best goalkeeper since Lev Yashin. Jesus wept!