dcmk

Did you want to see Torres and Messi leading our attack today? No, I wanted to see Coloccini instead of Ryan f***ing Taylor, Guthrie instead of Nolan, Martins instead of Owen and whoever instead of Duff.. there's no chance of survival if we continue to rely on Owen, Duff, Butt, R Taylor and Nolan. Coloccini lol Martins is injured/unfit Guthrie coming back from injury Who can replace Duff? Have a word.

Can only assume Nolan and Jonas will hover around Carroll like Owen, as Nolan is a bigger goal threat than Guthrie i guess. I really dislike this formation, i'm hoping its a 442 when we line up with Bassong at LB

Its more likely based on the training sessions that he looks over and the opinions of the other coaches there.

Newcastle fans are the most loyal, please dont call them fickle or rubbish. Most people on here are pissed off that some players including Given were allowed to desert before the premiership season was saved. That is perfectly understandable. How are Newcastle fans more loyal than anyone else when we have seen Man City for instance filling out their stadium in Division 2. Imo it is dellusional to suggest we are the best when a 10 year servant of the club giving everything he has got every game is called a coward for taking an opportunity he may not get again, at his stage in his carear. Good luck to him, we have a more than able replacement. I think you should have a closer look at Man City attendances from fairly recent times mate, if memory serves correctly... They can't even fill their stadium in the PL. Neither can we, if memory serves correctly...

choosing a new manager to setup a new direction for the club, who pretty much was acknowledged by most people in the game to be ready for a job at one of the big clubs, isn't ambitious ? HTT has also made an excellent post commenting on this. I hope you don't twist this and make up any more lies again ....... Unnecessary. Sam Allardyce was taking us down. That was obvious to anyone who was watching. Allardyce was most peoples choice for the England job believe it or not. To say it was a poor appointment just proves that hindsight is a wonderful thing, im sure you werent against him being here at the time.

Newcastle fans are the most loyal, please dont call them fickle or rubbish. Most people on here are pissed off that some players including Given were allowed to desert before the premiership season was saved. That is perfectly understandable. How are Newcastle fans more loyal than anyone else when we have seen Man City for instance filling out their stadium in Division 2. Imo it is dellusional to suggest we are the best when a 10 year servant of the club giving everything he has got every game is called a coward for taking an opportunity he may not get again, at his stage in his carear. Good luck to him, we have a more than able replacement.

You really just don't have a clue. So, all the good stuff before that seems to be ignored .. HE is now our worst chairman ever huh? how does that work out? Chairmans not supposed to back the managers they bring in then? Idiot.

can we just end it there? surely that sums the whole debate up? By editing out the second part though you're omitting the hypocrisy. I'm more than willing to admit things are s*** at the minute. NE5 is completely unwilling to admit anything but instead prefers to point-score. Over and over and over again. Fair comment though, I'm not going to persue it any more in this thread. I guess the answer (or not) to the question above will tell its own story. no, I don't think the performance was average at all in the bigger scheme of things, if it WAS, then it was only average by their own higher standards as put against the club they took over, and the club we are now as we slide downwards with ever quickening speed. And, I've said this before. Give me a club who takes a risk and has a go rather than one who settles for safety. Now. I'll ask YOU 2 things in relation to the above. Do you - and anyone else - now consider that if Mike Ashley ran this club sitting in mid table - would you still consider it to be mediocre, or successful ? And - will you now settle for the next decade of financial stability while looking upwards at teams playing in europe knowing we were not going to risk our new found stability to try and join them ? Lastly.....once again Dave you have totally ignored the complete childishness of someone else when responding to me, in this case it was jimmymag. You DO see his comments as being childish I take it ? They certainly weren't of an intelligent or mature nature, were they ? These comments are my genuine responses to what you asked, as they always have been. Surely that is the crux of the argument. Fat Freddy and Hall took the risk with someone else's money and paid themselves handsomely to do it. Unfortunately, when you gamble, you can lose as well as win, and the game was effectively up before they got out. They took the risk and failed. Ashley soon saw that it was going to cost him the earth and decided he would be better off out of it. Sadly, there are no mug buyers in the current economic climate, and so the decline just keeps going on unarrested. eh ? What are you talking about. It was the clubs' money If it was the clubs money, then why the hell did Ashley have to stick a shedload of his own cash in to stabilize the club. Under the change of ownership he would of had to pay the debt from the expansion of St James immediately, as i understand. If he checked the books properly he would of known.

Yup and 17 million of that was to be the long term answer to Shearer, which hasn't worked out. Can't fault the idea though ..well im sure some here can.

actually you don't, you give one fact repeated ad nauseam - the rest is your opinion tarted up as fact through the smoke and mirror act of condescension between yourself & JJ7 there were facts and opinions, i'll enlighten you: FS was a big part [fnar] of the European qualifications (facts) but he also ran out of ideas (strong conjecture/opinion) and the club was nearly bankrupt/in a dire financial situation (fact) what's so hard about it for you? you quote the Euro qualifications and JJ7 says: "Yep, then he lost the plot, made too many mistakes and nearly bankrupted the club" he's not contradicting you, you can surely understand that? he's referring to 2 different points in time man then you reply and tell him to repost his rubbish in 5 years!!! you remind me of billy pilgrim dude, totally shot to f*** through all the time travelling you've done so you can't work out simple linear facts and events anymore Good points. Im not biting here, honestly as its just a general point, but there are very few people in business or politics or whatever who are always good. Most people usually start to fail and make mistakes in the end. Look at Hitler who performed miricles at the start, Thatcher, Brooks Mileson, Peter Ridsdale, Doug Ellis etc..... Even if Freddy had won us the league for three seasons between 1997 and 2000, you can't just stick with them when they continue to make mistake after mistake. absolutely agree, and it's a balance thing we'd tipped the scales under FS, and as a PLC in my opinion, but we got very unlucky with who bought us out - as has been said countless times the ashley period being an abject failure to date does not validate the later years of FS & the PLC at the end of the day, it depends how you look at it. Football is a risky business. A lot of people say - and not just on here - that if you aren't in europe, you are s***. Construed : what they mean is they have known nothing less than regularly playing in europe, so don't listen to people like me who try to tell them that such things aren't automatic and only the good clubs with good boards qualify regularly for europe. You hit the nail slightly on the head when you say we were "unlucky with who bought us out"........having seen the club when we were REALLY s**** [far more than the supposed "s****" of the recent past, until now since Ashley came in] I see it differently, I see the vast majority of the clubs in the top 2 leagues as being s****, and I say we "got lucky" when we had good directors. It might be quite a while until we "get lucky" again ....... and a lot of people will be sitting around in 10 years time and looking back at the Halls and Shepherd and realise it, but I obviously hope not bearing in mind my age. This is all I've said from day 1 by the way. At least some people - since ashley - have begun to understand. wrongish, it also depends on why you look at it in a certain way. for example why are you determined,against all reason, to try and make out that we weren't in the s*** at the end of fred's reign despite all the evidence saying we were ? why are you and others like you, against all reason, determined to try and make out that the Halls and Shepherd weren't the best owners we have had at the club for 50 years and it will very difficult to replace them with better ? And - accept that Mike ashley is taking the club downwards, among the also rans, like the vast majority of other football club owners instead of trying to get among the other top clubs which is where we should be and where we spent our time under the Halls and Shepherd. People do accept that Mike Ashley is taking the club downwards. However, why do you not accept that when the Halls and Shepherd sold the club to Ashley we were already started on the journey downwards. We may have had years and years competing with the top clubs but the bubble had already burst when Ashley bought us, and this was after others had looked at the books and walked away laughing at the financial mess we were in. because they ticked the 2 biggest boxes. They had the ambition to succeed, and they backed their appointed managers That is how we qualfied for europe more than any club bar 4 during their time running the club. I hope you enjoyed it, because we might have s*** directors for years, or decades, before we get good ones again. Same old hyperbole. So you must have missed the grumblings of fans who were not satisfied at the s*** that we were turning out week in week out. Were you at the Sheffield United game for instance? Of course I enjoyed the european games, that goes without saying. But that does not excuse Hall and Shepherd from starting us down the road that we are now on. Things had already turned sour before Mike Ashley came along. He has failed to turn that around and that should not be forgotten either, but you cannot say that Hall and Shepherd are blameless in this. football, like life, is all ups and downs. Fortunately, we had a board who delivered more ups than most clubs will ever see. Because they ticked the most important boxes, unlike 80-90% of clubs and their own predecessors and their first successor too, it will be very difficult to find better. Could take decades in fact. Shame they were so s*** it takes so long to find someone better isn't it ? Of course football is about ups and downs, but no decent chairman should let the downs lead a club towards nearly being bankrupt. Leeds had massive ups under Ridsdale, but look at them now because of what happened back then. Theres ambition, then theres stupidity. I agree that Shepherds ambition was great when we were qualifying for the Champions League under Robson. But Shepherd was stupid in the timing of his sacking of Robson, then his next 2 appointments. A chairmans main job is to pick a manager, and he failed not once, but TWICE in a row. Throwing money at a s**** manager, who is unlikely to get you a return on your investment (i.e. by qualifying for the Champions League) is pure stupidity. NE5, you look at things too simplistically and ignore what others are saying. You're either on the wind up, or you just love an arguement and don't actually believe what you're saying. It was pretty clear Shepherd wanted to cut down on the borrowing by the appointment of Allardyce, and this bankruptcy talk is all speculation - it didnt happen so how can you presume it was going to happen. Shepherd could clearly hold back on spending and be prudent ie: summer of Bowyer and Woodgate sale, yet the ironic thing is we didn't spend in that summer and Shepherd got criticized beyond belief for lack of ambition. When really he was being cautious as we weren't guaranteed Champions League football that year. Yet now in hindsight have forum members saying 'spent too much!', 'out of control!', 'ridsdale!'. It's all a bit ridiculous.

I hate to single out anyone because everyone is allowed their opinion on here but this post is just too shocking for words. Start Viduka? Please please tell me you where intoxicated when you typed that? Are you friggin kiddin me? he shouldn't even be allowed anywhere near the club the fat waster. Carroll should be the first name on that team sheet thank you very much. As for Martins not being the type of player you want in a relegation battle? Say what? Please tell me you were smoking something illegal when you were silly enough to type such a thing. Martins has been in relegation battles since he joined the club and his performances have been vital for us. Your post is killing me right now. I'm so frustrated by it. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh!!!! I don't think he is claiming anything so outrageous that he must 'be intoxicated'. A fit Viduka is a boost to our team like it or not, our results went on an upturn last season when he came back wasn't merely a coincidence. It's not like he's claiming we 'blatantly signed 3 players at the training ground and going to unveil them last minute'. I think that post of yours would top this one, its his opinion based on performances he has seen from those players in the past - unlike your wishful thinking earlier this year.

For a clash between the English and Italian champions it was pretty one sided, Man Utd could of been out of sight at the San Siro by the end of the first half. I'm really unsurprised that it shocked alot of people in Italy.

Nope, you missed the point. If it was that straight forward, hissy fit etc why was he looking to extend his stay in December?

If you read dcmk's post it becomes crystal clear. Man Citeh are a better club apparantly. Give me a couple of valid reasons why we are a better club? Am i missing something, i feel i am?

Doesn't make them a "better club" Lets see how long Hughes lasts, and how many points are thet above us 8? Oh dear. All that money and ambition and there are only 8 points above a team that is in the bottom 3. We could actually finishes above hem They might be the richest footy club in the world but that dont mean fcking squat. Did you see how bad they were against Fulham? It makes them a more stable club, more ambitious, more patient so why not 'better'? Hughes wasn't the new owners appointment was he? been given ample time considering the very mediocre results and he is being well back to bring all his own players. This season is a transitional period new manager and alot of players, judge them after a seaon perhaps. You want a bet on them finishing above us this? and next season and season after that? I would take you up on it

And therein lies the clue to why so many are pissed off with his comments in the Guardian today. Shay could have been the difference to us being in the Premier League next season and not. No-one wants his "prayers" for us to stay up, would have preferred him to stick out 5 months inbetween the sticks for us, and then moving on. If you cannot understand that then sobeit. I wanted him to stay too but the abuse he's getting for leaving a joke. Why should he have stayed? We had a abysmal caretaker manager, s**** players, no chance of silverwear, a captain that wants to leave, a farce of a board but he's a t*** for leaving? looking like relegation? Is that not the time to dig in and see us through? At least til the end of the season. He just appeared in man city training ground with a big smile on his face. Its ok Shay, we'll face our destiny with out you. coward. no chance that he thought harper was an able deputy and the money the club would get from his sale could be reinvested into our first team and help the fight then gimp? he didn't do our f***ing negotiating for us man...or decide what the club spent on players (or didn't spend) - had we got 10m for him and spent it well on two players i doubt many people would chelping like this like the way you're sure what was going through his head though, which was terror and fear, being a coward like eh? He bailed out, makes him a coward. no, it doesn't. He's bettering himself, whether you can accept that or not. Its true. We are looking at relegation, he knew this, he bottled it and left. Didn;t have the stomach for a fight so f***ed off like a rat up a drain pipe. f***ing coward. No. Better club, better wage, more ambition, permanent manger, european football and a team signing and (attempting) to sign the very best players ...yeah definetely wanted to go as 'he bottled it'. Aye, he quit on us. A few more months in the trenches and he could have maybe help NUFC retain its prem status. He had a massive hissy fit against liverpool and wnted to f***ing move. Dirty little bottler. He wanted to negotiate a new contract in December lol he didnt want to go then so there is faaar more to the story. i dont think Man City would of waited around for him if he didnt join them in January and from his press conference sounds like club wanted to cash in on him. If he felt he wasn't wanted + club more ambitious wanting him + better wage and more stability, its pretty obvious choice. If there is faaaar more to the story and you know the truth spill the beans. He f***ed off in the clubs darkets hours. Yes, lets all sit around and w*** off over him. You think there isn't more? He wanted a new contract in December and then in January was handing in a transfer request, lets not forget spent 10 years here and was settled. Also his press conference 'club didnt do enough' and clearly annoyed at something. So speculating from all those points something isnt right there and it AINT so straight forward as 'bottling it'. But ye you made your mind up and choose to believe that not keeping an open mind. GIVEN IS A JUDAS!

Better club?? They have a permanent manager, european football, better league position, owner that sticks by a manager, owner who invests in his playing staff, attempts to sign the worlds best, wanting to break the top 4. What do we have in January, 'world class fans', 52000, JFK, owner half interested in us .. we really do have fuck all in comparison.

And therein lies the clue to why so many are pissed off with his comments in the Guardian today. Shay could have been the difference to us being in the Premier League next season and not. No-one wants his "prayers" for us to stay up, would have preferred him to stick out 5 months inbetween the sticks for us, and then moving on. If you cannot understand that then sobeit. I wanted him to stay too but the abuse he's getting for leaving a joke. Why should he have stayed? We had a abysmal caretaker manager, s**** players, no chance of silverwear, a captain that wants to leave, a farce of a board but he's a t*** for leaving? looking like relegation? Is that not the time to dig in and see us through? At least til the end of the season. He just appeared in man city training ground with a big smile on his face. Its ok Shay, we'll face our destiny with out you. coward. no chance that he thought harper was an able deputy and the money the club would get from his sale could be reinvested into our first team and help the fight then gimp? he didn't do our f***ing negotiating for us man...or decide what the club spent on players (or didn't spend) - had we got 10m for him and spent it well on two players i doubt many people would chelping like this like the way you're sure what was going through his head though, which was terror and fear, being a coward like eh? He bailed out, makes him a coward. no, it doesn't. He's bettering himself, whether you can accept that or not. Its true. We are looking at relegation, he knew this, he bottled it and left. Didn;t have the stomach for a fight so f***ed off like a rat up a drain pipe. f***ing coward. No. Better club, better wage, more ambition, permanent manger, european football and a team signing and (attempting) to sign the very best players ...yeah definetely wanted to go as 'he bottled it'. Aye, he quit on us. A few more months in the trenches and he could have maybe help NUFC retain its prem status. He had a massive hissy fit against liverpool and wnted to f***ing move. Dirty little bottler. He wanted to negotiate a new contract in December lol he didnt want to go then so there is faaar more to the story. i dont think Man City would of waited around for him if he didnt join them in January and from his press conference sounds like club wanted to cash in on him. If he felt he wasn't wanted + club more ambitious wanting him + better wage and more stability, its pretty obvious choice.

now then toonlass............shades of Gazza, Waddle and Beardsley here, wouldn't you agree ? Hasn't happened for a number of years, wouldn't you agree ? NUFC was a selling club back then. We are an established prem side with big crowds and TV money. We are both those things, but we are a selling club in a sense that our owners will seriously listen to any decent offers for our players, quite clearly.

And therein lies the clue to why so many are pissed off with his comments in the Guardian today. Shay could have been the difference to us being in the Premier League next season and not. No-one wants his "prayers" for us to stay up, would have preferred him to stick out 5 months inbetween the sticks for us, and then moving on. If you cannot understand that then sobeit. I wanted him to stay too but the abuse he's getting for leaving a joke. Why should he have stayed? We had a abysmal caretaker manager, s**** players, no chance of silverwear, a captain that wants to leave, a farce of a board but he's a t*** for leaving? looking like relegation? Is that not the time to dig in and see us through? At least til the end of the season. He just appeared in man city training ground with a big smile on his face. Its ok Shay, we'll face our destiny with out you. coward. no chance that he thought harper was an able deputy and the money the club would get from his sale could be reinvested into our first team and help the fight then gimp? he didn't do our f***ing negotiating for us man...or decide what the club spent on players (or didn't spend) - had we got 10m for him and spent it well on two players i doubt many people would chelping like this like the way you're sure what was going through his head though, which was terror and fear, being a coward like eh? He bailed out, makes him a coward. no, it doesn't. He's bettering himself, whether you can accept that or not. Its true. We are looking at relegation, he knew this, he bottled it and left. Didn;t have the stomach for a fight so f***ed off like a rat up a drain pipe. f***ing coward. No. Better club, better wage, more ambition, permanent manger, european football and a team signing and (attempting) to sign the very best players ...yeah definetely wanted to go as 'he bottled it'.

Didnt he say very recently that he wouldn't move abroad.

There is a strong argument that KK saved us from going down last season so in that context it was a very good decision, that's if you're of the opinion that we were heading down under Big Sam. Dumas? I thought him and Goma were good players who played well for us in their brief spell at the club. i'm in both arguement's on this point, we we're heading down with big sam, but appointing keegan was not the answer We were heading down and we hired a guy to save us, he saved us. Now it was a bad decision?

He did leave us in a better position though, so that reason alone really shouldnt make it 'one of the worst ever' the events that followed weren't orchestrated by Keegan. Ashley seeing the first excuse to bail out trying make a profit [lets not forget the super poor communication with fans that fanned the flames] and not appointing a permanent manager are all more significant imo.

Revival last season has been forgotten already? He left after 2 league games this season transfer window was shut. Was hardly the worst timing ever. Ashley had all season to find someone more than adequate. Keegan left us in a better position then we were.

would modric even get spurs young player of the year nomination? Yeah, he has had a really good season. Should watch them sometime and see for yourself. dude, spurs have been a waste of space for most of the season, how the f*** was modric any good? earlier in the year there was talk of modric being sold he was that abject picked up since redknapp fair enough He picked up around October so has played well for most of the season - the start of the year he was poor, he was too weak for CM but since moving to LM and then the arrival of Palacios he takes up more advanced positions, given more freedom and his performances have been worthy of that list imo. His and Lennons performances are probably the main reason they have a shot at 7th. madness to put him on a player of the year list man Well for young player of the year. He has had a fair few motm performances don't see how it was ever '' worthy tbh. Lennon's on everyones list, Modric been just as good.