Unbelievable

ha ha you're making me laugh now 'cause i never said any of that at all!! what i said was "the fans won't like the guy from the off" and "if results go against him he'll retreat into his shell and fight with the press just like souness did" never said the fans would want him out at all just that we're "suspicious" of his loyalties, as i certainly am if you're gonna talk sh!te expect to get laughed at What makes you think the fans wont like him from the off? and you claim I talk s**** i honestly think people are suspicious of the type of football he plays at bolton (and i agree with you and others that our current quality is worse than bolton but that means nowt), everyone i know and have spoken to BAR NONE have basically said "f@ck that" when the prospect is raised of allardyce as NUFC manager and it's what i say too, i don't like the guy as a man or a football manager it's like that lad NE5 says about the board, same thing, we might have a bad one but clamouring for a slightly better one (in certain areas) might not be the best thing eh? comes back to the other post i made - if winning (a few more) matches is all you care about then allardyce is your man, and i thought i was missing the bigger picture It means everything tbh, which is why we are even having this discussion in the first place. Anyway, it seems you are pretty much alone on here claiming the majority of our fans will not like the idea of Allardyce as our new manager. Doesn't that tell you anything, being alone yet claiming to speak for a majority? firstly it's an internet forum pal, hardly reflective of general opinion is it? secondly my point is that because we're playing awful football right now under roeder how does that become an endorsement to sign a manager with a long history of playing awful football? even if it's better than we play right now it's still awful pal An internet forum will give a more unbiased opinion than "your mates down the pub". Its a large cross section of fans who often have different opinions and the fact the majority would go for Allardyce says a lot imo. i've always stated this is my perception of the situation, nothing more nothing less however this place is full of bairns who are clamouring for change for the sake of it the same w@nkers who were complaining about robson and saw him replaced with souness My argument doesn't hold, so people with a different opinion must be either bairns who don't know what they're on about or w@nkers who always complain..

So we should aim for continuity now we have a mediocre manager (and that's being generous), not change if there is a possibility of getting a far better manager in? What kind of world do you live in?

tell you what i've just looked at that poll about this and i'm blown away that 80% of people on here would go for allardyce, i really am... this, to me, can only be attributed to dissatisfaction with roeder rather than any affinity with allardyce and as for attractive football yeah, of course, but i never want us to become consumed by winning...when we were losing the league or cups to manu i never wanted to see toon players chasing refs about screaming, or seeing players diving or whatever to get the win... to allardyce, from my perspective, it's only about winning....when have we EVER been about that? and by the way bolton are 4 wins ahead of us in the table and we've had what is to be considered a travesty of a season, whereas bolton have had just about their best season ever.... are you that sure that given time in the summer to fulfil his plans, assuming he has them, and with michael owen playing say 20 games that we couldn't do just as well with roeder as we could with allardyce? i'm not.... Seeing as this is an internet forum "pal" (thanks for reminding me, even though I strangely had not forgotten), why don't you read people's opinions on the matter rather than trying to interpret a poll result that is very much in contradiction with what you claim to be the truth. Poll result not in my favour, wait a minute: "this, to me, can only be attributed to dissatisfaction with roeder rather than any affinity with allardyce".. Utter rubbish. I, like most people on here, have seen a lot from Allardyce and he beats Roeder hands down in nearly every aspect of being a good manager. What you claim here is that any poll Roeder vs X would show pretty much the same results. I don't believe that to be the case at all. I wouldn't take the likes of Curbishly, McClaren or Jewell over Roeder, because they wouldn't be a significant enough improvement (basically your argument about Allardyce), but with Allardyce he has just proven to be so much more consistent and better it's a no brainer for most people. Rather than claiming people may not know enough about Allaryce, you should consider the possibility that they do (some maybe even more so than you) and have come to a different conclusion..

ha ha you're making me laugh now 'cause i never said any of that at all!! what i said was "the fans won't like the guy from the off" and "if results go against him he'll retreat into his shell and fight with the press just like souness did" never said the fans would want him out at all just that we're "suspicious" of his loyalties, as i certainly am if you're gonna talk sh!te expect to get laughed at What makes you think the fans wont like him from the off? and you claim I talk s**** i honestly think people are suspicious of the type of football he plays at bolton (and i agree with you and others that our current quality is worse than bolton but that means nowt), everyone i know and have spoken to BAR NONE have basically said "f@ck that" when the prospect is raised of allardyce as NUFC manager and it's what i say too, i don't like the guy as a man or a football manager it's like that lad NE5 says about the board, same thing, we might have a bad one but clamouring for a slightly better one (in certain areas) might not be the best thing eh? comes back to the other post i made - if winning (a few more) matches is all you care about then allardyce is your man, and i thought i was missing the bigger picture It means everything tbh, which is why we are even having this discussion in the first place. Anyway, it seems you are pretty much alone on here claiming the majority of our fans will not like the idea of Allardyce as our new manager. Doesn't that tell you anything, being alone yet claiming to speak for a majority?

Lazy? Anti-premiership? Moaning? Slimeball? What exactly has he done wrong except accept the contract the Newcastle United offered him? 6 league starts isn't really enough to judge a player, surely? (i am lighting the blue touchpaper and retreating as i type this) Based on what you're saying (the number of games he's been given the chance to prove himself is not enough to judge him) he could well be our best player then? I just think it's a bit strange for the topic starter who presumably has allowed for Luque as an option in his poll to ridicule people who choose this option. From what I've seen Luque is certainly not the worst player on that list, although he obviously doesn't deserve to be fourth best. He pisses all over Ameobi though, who some people on here regard as some sort of saviour because after letting us down for seasons on end he finally scored a few goals at a decent ratio at the back end of last season.. The qualifications Jonny used are pathetic.. I mean, what the f*ck is ant-premiership supposed to mean?

Lazy? Anti-premiership? Moaning? Slimeball? What exactly has he done wrong except accept the contract the Newcastle United offered him?

Good enough for Argentina, yet not good enough for Newcastle.. Aye

very predictable indeed.. Just don´t know where he´s going´s all..

interesting FK position..

deservedly so.. Far too much C Ronaldo and Rooney w0nking going on in England.. Very good players yes. Best player in the world.. I don´t think so.

How was that stunning?! Think Evre n Heinze have been watching too much of our defending! Rubbish.. The way he took the ball with him was nothin short of extraordinary.

I think Kaka edges it on effectiveness so far..

bloody hell

wow

Strange thing to say. Would it not be better to hope he becomes a world beater and his love for the club brings him back here at one stage. Note, I´m not saying I think this will happen, just that it´s a strange thing to say you definetely never want to see him here anymore..

It's It's not necessarily a problem either though. We will offer him what we think he is worth to us, i.e. squad player wages. It will then be up to him to either accept the offer or move on. Either way we win, as in the first case we will have a decent squad player on squad wages (creating some space in the wage structure to allow for a better centre back) or we lose a squad player on first team wages (it should be easier to find a squad player or alternatively we loan out Huntington or Edgar alternatively for half a season or keep one of them here for the entire season)..

Jonny, you Milner's mom?

These stats obviously don't tell the whole story, but they are certainly an interesting starting point in discussing the merits or otherwise of Titus Bramble for our current squad. Maybe he's getting a little too much stick? Not saying we shouldn't try replacing him with somebody better if we can btw.. I would have no problem keping him as a squad player if he is willing to take a pay cut.

Why not exactly? Because they don't fit in with your suspicions? Excellent piece of research NUFC06!

We could do with some creativity..

Interesting.. Any decent defenders in either side?

If it was N'Zogbia and Emre, was he really surprised after they've been out for God knows how long..?

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2179/gaalwq5.jpg Not dancing about with your clipboard now, are you, you fat f***. He's practically crying on Dutch telly.. Get the f*** in!

you're confusing right to success, with actual performance achieved given the money spent Oh right.. Now correct me if I'm wrong but this "right to success" bollocks is something YOU came up with and was never actually used by any of us.. All people have said is that a club like Newcastle spending the amount of money we do should be higher up the league table than we currently are. It's not something we deserve or have a divine right to, but it's something we should realistically aim for, hence the disappointment if we continually fail to meet those targets. To me, that is exactly what you imply by saying "actual performance achieved given the money spent" which you use to make your 'point' regarding Eriksson. How come other people are apparently f***, s*** t** or w*** (you do like your swearing) for using the exact same argument you do, yet you are not? You twist and turn an awful lot to always be controversial, but you should have known that all this twisting and turning in your own penalty box would eventually lead to you losing control of the ball and it bobbling over the goal line for an own goal.. so a belief that if you spend X amount of money you realisitically believe you should achieve a standard Y is different from, we spent X so we deserve Y you're just twisting words tbh It very obviously is (it's the word "deserve" that you brought to the table yourself that you now claim is behind our mindset of realistically expecting a certain return for the money invested by the club), I'm not twisting words (if you can't see the difference between "expecting" and "deserving" even though you yourself came up with the league table based on financial power concept to ridicule others you're less clever than I gave you credit for) and I find that very funny coming from you of all people.. there is no f****** difference between someone at the start of the season saying we have spent X so we deserve a 5th place, and at the end of the season someone saying we spent X so we have failed on our expectations to achieve 5th Yes there is. The first is ridiculous, as you yourself argued very well yesterday (http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=38429.msg776285#msg776285), the second is only natural and should be done at regular intervals anyway, i.e. determine whether the club has been underachieving, and if so correct the situation. You seem to think this logic applies to England/Eriksson, but not Newcastle/Roeder..? You honestly think Roeder has spent a huge amount of money to justify 'expectations'? I had no expectations of Roeder apart from be better than Souness i.e. not to get us relegated Well yes. He did inherit a fairly good squad you know, plus he has been given 15 million (and probably more based on media reports of us being linked to all sorts of players this January without spending a penny) and three (!) transfer windows to make any imrpovement he saw fit.. Your expectations have been met by the looks of things, so how do you explain your grumpyness on this board. You should be dancing in the streets.. Excuse us for setting our sights a bit higher, will you?

you're confusing right to success, with actual performance achieved given the money spent Oh right.. Now correct me if I'm wrong but this "right to success" bollocks is something YOU came up with and was never actually used by any of us.. All people have said is that a club like Newcastle spending the amount of money we do should be higher up the league table than we currently are. It's not something we deserve or have a divine right to, but it's something we should realistically aim for, hence the disappointment if we continually fail to meet those targets. To me, that is exactly what you imply by saying "actual performance achieved given the money spent" which you use to make your 'point' regarding Eriksson. How come other people are apparently f***, s*** t** or w*** (you do like your swearing) for using the exact same argument you do, yet you are not? You twist and turn an awful lot to always be controversial, but you should have known that all this twisting and turning in your own penalty box would eventually lead to you losing control of the ball and it bobbling over the goal line for an own goal.. so a belief that if you spend X amount of money you realisitically believe you should achieve a standard Y is different from, we spent X so we deserve Y you're just twisting words tbh It very obviously is (it's the word "deserve" that you brought to the table yourself that you now claim is behind our mindset of realistically expecting a certain return for the money invested by the club), I'm not twisting words (if you can't see the difference between "expecting" and "deserving" even though you yourself came up with the league table based on financial power concept to ridicule others you're less clever than I gave you credit for) and I find that very funny coming from you of all people.. there is no f****** difference between someone at the start of the season saying we have spent X so we deserve a 5th place, and at the end of the season someone saying we spent X so we have failed on our expectations to achieve 5th Yes there is. The first is ridiculous, as you yourself argued very well yesterday (http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=38429.msg776285#msg776285), the second is only natural and should be done at regular intervals anyway, i.e. determine whether the club has been underachieving, and if so correct the situation. You seem to think this logic applies to England/Eriksson, but not Newcastle/Roeder..?