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................... and absolutely correct.

A worrying sign for things to come under Kinnear, in terms of the team's overall pattern of play and how the ball-players stand to be wasted. Under Keegan, amidst last season's relegation fight, we played our way out of the bottom 3. Where we've previously seen a team that was re-educated by Keegan to keep the ball on the deck - utilizing the likes of Owen, Martins etc to best effect - it will be different & much harder slog to avoid the chop with Kinnear around, as the Useless Prick up top continues to find a buyer.

Well done Habib Beye for being better than Carr, Hughes and Griffin. Picking the bones again, then. Class counter-argument. I can't take seriously what you're saying about him tonight, so i'll just ask: what've you got against him like? The fact that he's not a particularly good crosser of the ball? That for me, is his only real weakness. I've got nothing against him apart from I don't think he's that good. If Steven Taylor made that tackle in the box then reactions would be completely different, fair enough he got a slight touch on the ball but you can't make tackles from behind anywhere on the pitch so to make one in the penalty box is daft. wasn't from behind in that sense Of course it was from behind, unless his leg bends the other way. a tackle from behind is when you go through the player first, hence why there was a clamp down baggio: how the f*** can you say it was a penalty when EVERY other newcastle fan say's it wasn't along with 95% of commnentators, unless you are getting personal differences in the way, in which case you are then maybe you shouldn't support the toon then That's the key phrase here. Perfectly sums up a few posts here ie. justifiable bullshit. Except I didn't even say it was a penalty, I said it was daft making a tackle from behind in the box, not that I expect you to get your head around that you snide tit. Can't get my head around the notion of deciding as to whether i should resort to one of your cliched & often used laughter emoticons Sunshine. To put it simply. If that tackle had been made inside the box, in Italy by P.Maldini he would have been universally praised for backing his ability to time a challenge. That tackle would've been added to a lengthy compilation list, of the 'best of' tackles.

Well done Habib Beye for being better than Carr, Hughes and Griffin. Picking the bones again, then. Class counter-argument. I can't take seriously what you're saying about him tonight, so i'll just ask: what've you got against him like? The fact that he's not a particularly good crosser of the ball? That for me, is his only real weakness. I've got nothing against him apart from I don't think he's that good. If Steven Taylor made that tackle in the box then reactions would be completely different, fair enough he got a slight touch on the ball but you can't make tackles from behind anywhere on the pitch so to make one in the penalty box is daft. wasn't from behind in that sense Of course it was from behind, unless his leg bends the other way. a tackle from behind is when you go through the player first, hence why there was a clamp down baggio: how the f*** can you say it was a penalty when EVERY other newcastle fan say's it wasn't along with 95% of commnentators, unless you are getting personal differences in the way, in which case you are then maybe you shouldn't support the toon then That's the key phrase here. Perfectly sums up a few posts here ie. justifiable bullshit.

The system did something ours hasn't done since 1969, it delivered a trophy. Ramos is still a clueless bufoon. You're basing your opinion of his managerial skills entirely on the seven or so games played so far this season then I take it? Where you take it is not my concern. That a yes then? No. I said he'd fail in the Ramos thread as I got wind of the fact that they were going to sell their best 2 strikers from under his nose and replace them with s***. A manager who won't stand upto that or pays lip service to a system that has effectively destroyed Spurs hopes for a good season is a bufoon or has no self respect. That's the difference between him and Keegan I guess. That and winning half a dozen trophies. and to think that I'm told I ruin threads......... You said you were happy with Allardyce, when you could have told us about Ramos BTW What are you on about? He was simply adding to a discussion me and Parky had going on. selective clipping alert not to mention lacking a wider grasp of mandy's usual non contribution. Parky said Ramos is clueless. Ozzie countered that by saying that he's actually won some silverware in his time. That was indeed the point of my thread-ruining post -- two consecutive UEFA cups is not the work of a complete buffoon. And he's already won more at Spurs than any Toon manager since Joe Harvey. Simplistic comparison drawn by somebody who still holds a grudge because another 'somebody' walked away during a time when many of the so-called Sky Generationers jumped aboard during the mid-90's bandwagon. As for the comparison, which imo was one of your usual sly and pinheaded digs at Keegan. Ramos' Spanish CV, in addition to his solitary English Lge Cup, counts for nothing until he *guides Spurs to consecutive/or better top 3/top tier finishes - one of which KK led us to within one afternoon of a title - and revitalises the Londoners fortunes to the extent Keegan did in his 1st stint here. *That's called sustained progress, as opposed to being a managerial flash in the pan based on period of a season or thereabouts.

Just for the record he has answered that before, and yet you keep bringing it up. He was dishing the dirt on Shepherd, not NUFC. Believe it or not Freddy Shepherd did not and does not equal Newcastle United Football Club. You can criticise one without criticising the other. I wasn't even "dishing the dirt" on Shepherd. I was arranging for someone from the Hitzfeld-for-manager campaign to get a right of reply after Shepherd dissed the idea as a "betting scam". I've no idea what this is supposed to do with the cold, hard fact that all but one of Shepherd's managerial appointments were miserable failures. NE5 seems simply incapable of conducting a rational discussion on this point. but you agreed with Shepherd that at least 3 of those were good appointments, you agreed with him ? You are totally incapable of accepting this perfectly truthful point. I think you should be true to your principles and email the same journo and tell him what a disgrace all the latest situation is and admit that it is a miserable failure in comparison to the regular european football we had under the last board/owners. Or are you incapable of conducting a rational discussion on this point ? On a similar note, and it's not related to Ozzie. A mate directed me to the site www.nufcmismanagement.com - i've never heard of it before, i just don't have time - and have too much of a life - to spend my day searching through Google links & reading other fans/club's forums or websites. I must've scrolled through several pages of insignificant quotes, courtesy of Shepherd. One example being that it's not the 'big clubs' responsibility to keep afloat the clubs in the lower leagues. Some were made into mountains, despite being just mole hills. I guess the site's creator has to make the sure that the site lives up to his namesake. The site's creator must be young and a bit naive judging how little there was about McKeag, Seymour, Westwood etc in comparison and the fact that the same creator asked for reader input so that he/she can expand those particular chapters. Reminded me of how Wikpedia works. Then i clicked onto the Ashley chapter. It was about speculation and blueprints. Beyond that the chapter was surprisingly bare when taking into account the club's current predicament on the league table.

Apart from his credentials in the private sector - property/property development - his football CV is rather thin. Being an executive director of a London-based football player agency doesn't warrant the sort of Galacticos 'recruiter' status some have bestowed upon him.

I'm banking on loacal hero Shepherd to save the club rather than plough his money into some mediocre Spanish outfit near a beach resort. Yeah, he'll bring back Bellamy and double ticket prices for cockneys. And that figure, whom you despise so much, made an unparallelled impact in comparison to some of the blokes you've idolised in recent years. Try working on a sense of humour, you self-important twerp. Just attended a lesson. I'll chuck a smiley in for good measure. That should suffice.

With regards to NUFC happenings, for a non-NUFC supporter he usually offered a more objective opinion than some whose finger lies closer to the pulse ie. those who may have posed for photos with, and shared a few ales with a certain club owner.

I'm banking on loacal hero Shepherd to save the club rather than plough his money into some mediocre Spanish outfit near a beach resort. Yeah, he'll bring back Bellamy and double ticket prices for cockneys. And that figure, whom you despise so much, made an unparallelled impact in comparison to some of the blokes you've idolised in recent years.

Did Luque not say (when he left the club) that it was Shepherd who signed him, and he couldn't believe the money he was offered at the time, etc?? But fitting in with the rest of the stuff Souness wanted him so Shepherd got him. But Souness wnated Boa Morte, who would have cost £5m didn't he? Think Fred's selective memory is kicking in again! Not after he signed a new deal with Fulham, in the midst of Souness' expressed interest via the press ie. trying to make the deal happen by attempting to tap-up the player with statements along the lines of '*the lad wants to come' and 'he's a player i like/we want' etc. The manner in which Souness tried to coax him away from Fulham was enough for them to issue a hands-off warning - ie. which did happen - and i don't think they would've sold him to us anyway due to the aforementioned manager's conduct. Coleman played hardball in this instance, and his board backed him by getting to sign a new deal, lifting the asking price in the process. Souness tried the same thing with Anelka as well. It's a great way to piss off chairmen & rival managers who hold the keys to that player's registration papers, and to have a potential transfer deal backfire. *more pertaining to the attempted signing of Anelka.

Couldn't agree more, and it's a prospect i've raised quite some time ago.......... a prospect some here privately dismissed - or likely - as being overwritten bullshit. The forecast for next season, if we're relegated. A promotion campaign isn't necessarily on the cards. It would resemble more of a survival campaign where the team/club will look to consolidate/secure it's place in the league. The U/18 results at the minute aren't impressive. A worrying sign for an element that will play a part in the senior first X1 after wage expenditure is reduced in the wake of relegation this year.

He is Ashley's very own Dinnis: A bloke thown in the shit, and way out of his depth.

The 400m asking price - ie. which provides an umbrella/a greater scope for downward negotiating, so he can make some sort of profit at least - is his insurance policy if the club is heading towards relegation minus decent players ala Owen & Martins.

Martins: the club's one saleable asset on the transfer market come January - ie. 10m or thereabouts - if Mr Ashley is still around & seeking to strengthen his selling position by opportunistically reducing debt via player sales.

well, after all the scaremongering you've done about us becoming another Leeds through overspending etc it will be interesting [or not in my case anyway] to see you and those who have made links etc to your site, explain how we are heading the way of Leeds because of underinvestment in the team I thought they taught grammar in the 60s ?? I need help with your question/statement. Do you think we are looking bad cos we ran out of money ? Are you trying to say we looked really good under Shepherd cos he spent £114m more thn he took in, in just 11 years. Shepherd was in control up June 2007 I'm just trying to clarify I didn't realise this was under examination conditions. Your own piece is a master of literacy. Go on, quit sidestepping and answer his questions. You know you want to. I've answered them at least a couple of years ago. macbeth quite simply doesn't understand that football success isn't gained by putting balance sheets before speculation on quality players. The reality check has been posted on numerous occasions. I really can't be bothered with this rubbish. Ashley's preference for balance sheets is going to relegate us. This is why Keegan left. Are you so blind you can't see this ? Care to comment on the rather strange happening that people like him have been insisting for 10 years we were going bankrupt, and more recently "doing a Leeds", when the only thing that is now propelling us in the direction of Leeds is the prudent board, presiding over lack of expenditure on the first team squad, that is "doing a Leeds". I did ask mick this question, but true to form, he avoided it. I'm not interested in macbeth mate, or anything he says. Sorry like. Enough to convince Man Utd's board to restructure their finances in order to secure Rooney's signature a year ahead of schedule, as they were at the time biding their time ie. waiting for next Summer/or January where they would have got a Stretford tapped-up player for a lower fee. The antithesis scenario: United's board roll over and allow Rooney to drop into our lap & lose a quality player whom they can build their frontline around for the next ten years or thereabouts, rather than compromise the strength of their balance sheets at the time. Enough to convince us to pay for Woodgate over the course of two instalmets. The second instalment was paid, or due to be paid a year after we completed his player registration papers. Enough to convince us to enter a similar arrangement as per Owen although it was borrowed against forthcoming sponsorship money and the repayment schedule was drawn out over a longer timeframe. Looking back at Owen's impact, and the key goals he scored for us amidst two years where we've avoided the swing of the relegation axe. I've slept easily despite Ashley's belly aching of having to pay the remaining instalments - ie. incurred debt courtesy of Shepherd - as opposed to the club going to the wall minus Owen's aforementioned impact if the club hadn't bought him. On a further note with regards to the mooted quick firesale of Owen in January - ie. negotiated prior to Jan - at a knockdown price to recoup something rather than allow him to move for nothing. Balance the true cost of relegation, and this would be result if the club's only proven 'predatory' goalscorer is offloaded on the eve of or in the midst of a relegation fight, against the recoupment of a couple of million pounds or so. It's lunacy which is dismissive of the bigger picture, and it's a trait of a spreadsheet-orientated owner - ie. as already highlighted by the board in their failed attempt to sell him on the final day of the Summer's window with an already threadbare strikeforce in place It's been dismissed as a being a 'flame' remark, but as i've said before 'Spreadsheeters of Ashley's ilk have no place on the football landscape'......club ownership in particular.

Certainly pleased all those who were prepared to back Souness until the very end, as that brace kept the executioner's axe from falling.

Takes very little professional pride with his level of performance imo. Absolutely unforgiveable trait for a competitive footballer at any level. I'll apologise for the following analogy but smiling & grining like some naughty kid saying '**ck me!i just farted during a class exam' when missing shots on goal in the midst of a tight game when others would try to find a hiding spot when 50000+ set of eyes are targetted upon them, doesn't wash with me. Players have different attitudes when dealing with matchday pressure. This in part relates to their football culture/playing style which are both reflections of their cultures. As an example Brazilians and Germans are the polar opposites to one another with relation to their respective mental approachs ie. their intensity, certainly on the exterior. One thing which always registers, in both sets of players, is the enormity of their missed scoring opportunities, a misplaced pass in the final 1/3 etc. What you get with Shola is what somebody else has mentioned, that stupid looking smile. The enormity of the situation - ie. those key goal scoring moments etc - simply doesn't register with him.

i've deleted all the immature posts from this clip. Its' impossible to answer this, without talking about the old board etc, because you are asking me to make a comparison of the club betwen different eras and owners. And when I do that, a lot of people appear to simply not like the truth. See this link here, I pretty much agree with most of what is in this. I don't have a link to the original http://z3.invisionfree.com/NUFCforum/index.php?showtopic=3638 I don't really want to go along with the "blame" mentality, the most important thing is to realse where the wants to go. Only the owner really knows. I have long suspected that Mike Ashley never reallly had serious intentions to succeed on the pitch with the football club. I never expected Keegan to do his 3 years, because I expected him to realise that they didn't have the ambition that he quite correctly demands of a club which is one of the biggest in the country, but I must admit that i "hoped" we would have had him in charge longer than this. I have to say, that a lot of people have been saying they "think" a particlar thing ie a particular sighing, but what they really meant was "hope" I've been bitten on the arse too often by this club over the years to think that what I "hope will happen" construes to "what I think will happen". I don;t think a short term boycott wil work. I think Ashley will sell the club when he is good and ready. Although I concede a boycott and demonstration makes you feel better if thats what you want to do. Everybody is different. Only long term apathy, or a good offer at this time will make Ashey sell the club. Couldn't agree more re: the linked post.

Only if fans are daft enough to fall for it. Remember the fans decide who takes over. The manager holds all the cards on who comes in or at least does if thats how the fans decide the club should be run when electing a chairman. After having read stuff like 'Ashley is a breath of fresh air' and the like for over a year i have my doubts mate.

Agreed.

This set-up is still open to corruption at the highest level ie. chairmen signing players - ie as a tablet for re-election - whom a manager or may not see as part of their 1st team building plans. Real poaching high profile players from Barca in the past ie. Figo. This is also extends to managers not being able to offload 'fan favourites' despite a player being a spent force out on the pitch. Raul, an untouchable figure at Real despite his wavering form, is one case in point.

I'll bring up the original supporter furore that surrounded Old Trafford when the Glaziers took over United, when there was talk of a possible US-style GM-based system adopted where Glazier's sons would take a more hands-on role in the football front-office. There was talk of Ferguson's influence being diminished in the front-office, to go along with the debts incurred upon the club as a result of the Glazier's buy-in and with it the speculation of a reduced season-by-season transfer kitty & less financial clout given to re-sign players already on the books. What United's supporters didn't take into account was Glazier's previous track record at Tampa Bay when they could've simply done a 'Bidwell/settle for mediocrity' and cashed-in on the money appropriated to each club by the NFL on an annual basis, by not chasing gun free-agent recruits. To the contrary they didn't ie. signing K.Johnson is one example. Nor did they did they take into account the true extent of United's strength in the Asian market, that being the European club to have made the most headway into that market. What the Glaziers borrowed to buy-in was in essence a debt which was more than manageable, hence they haven't stood still and adopted a tit-for-tat 'buy & sell' approach while painting a doomsday debt scenario for the club as per Ashley & Mort *where as a sidenote the task balancing the club's transfer expenditure is rated highly on the agenda. *our recent club statement. It didn't take long for the Glaziers to make their intentions known in terms of backing the manager, if you look at their first 2 or 3 windows. We/our supporters have had the same opportunity to gauge Ashley's ambition in the transfer market. I don't like what i see, and the figures back this up. Over the course of three transfer windows our buying & selling record - where we're bordering on making an operating profit on transfers alone - is taking on the appearance of being a profit making venture for Mr Ashley.

......................... this refers to him stitching up his business competitors, over replica shirt price-fixing a while back. It takes some of set of balls to be a whistleblower, and to accept that one will be potentially be known as a 'rat' for the remainder of their business dealing days. That's the inevitable trade-off when an increased share of the merchandising market is the by-product when one rats-out the competition. He's a thick skinned bugger and ruthless, and i'll give him that much. I can't see this bloke being forced out of town, and with it selling up for a minimal profit to an interested suitor looking to take advantage of the current climate surrounding SJP. Newcastle-Upon-Thames to ride this one through for a while yet, and i hope i'm wrong.

I think its brilliant.