Minhosa
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Disagree. Think he's been a complete cock lately.
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I hear a lot of moaning going on about our usual lack of activity in the transfer windo so If you were Glenn now who would you buy??
Me I'd buy:
LB-Paul Konchesky
RB-Luke Young
CM-Youssi Benayoun
CF-James Beattie
Cf-Ashley Young
LB-Paul Konchesky (worth a punt)
RB-Luke Young (Worst game by a RB ive ever seen against Liverpool, but still worth a punt i suppose, trade with carr)
CM-Youssi Benayoun (inconstant, dont need him and his position)
CF-James Beattie (No more than £3m, worth a punt)
Cf-Ashley Young (Rejecting bids of £5m, plus he is a right winger, we dont need him)
Konchesky is worth a look at. Curbs sold him from Charlton and may now find himself pushed out as the two never got on. WHU didn't pay a massive fee, maybe a swap for Babayaro to keep costs down would be worth a look.
Same for Young. Charlton fans are not happy with him, he's lost interest and we could for the right price he could move. However, nothing more than £3m for numerous reasons, maybe throw Carr in as well
Beattie is about the best striker we can get for the £3m mark without taking a punt abroad. I reckon he'd redouble his efforts if he came here, and relaunch his career, but its a risk, but one worth taking imo.
If the club came out with these three before the window closes, i'd be quite happy. Although i think there are better options about for the fullback positions, we neither have the money, nor the talent to broker the deals needed to secure the players, so maybe with WHU & Charlton in unsecure positions, we could take some advantage over them.
Quoted for this man talking sense. My thoughts exactly.
:thup: aye likewise, only problem is he is a form player - either good or bad, he tends not to have a steady average. Decent pen taker too which could be a bonus
Aye - agree that him being a 'confidence' player is the one thing that will put a doubt in a lot of peoples minds. Also, its a nice bonus that he can strike a good pen/free kick.
I don't buy in to the argument that he's shite just because he hasn't done the business at Everton. Just look at Crouch, Kevin Davies, Camara etc for prove that you can do well as some clubs and not at others.
He's not useless. He would do a job and he would be low risk signing, in that we could always sell him on if it didn't work without taking a massive hit of the transfer fee.
It seems to me that a lot of people of disregarding the idea of signing him without looking at it from a risk viewpoint.
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I hear a lot of moaning going on about our usual lack of activity in the transfer windo so If you were Glenn now who would you buy??
Me I'd buy:
LB-Paul Konchesky
RB-Luke Young
CM-Youssi Benayoun
CF-James Beattie
Cf-Ashley Young
LB-Paul Konchesky (worth a punt)
RB-Luke Young (Worst game by a RB ive ever seen against Liverpool, but still worth a punt i suppose, trade with carr)
CM-Youssi Benayoun (inconstant, dont need him and his position)
CF-James Beattie (No more than £3m, worth a punt)
Cf-Ashley Young (Rejecting bids of £5m, plus he is a right winger, we dont need him)
Konchesky is worth a look at. Curbs sold him from Charlton and may now find himself pushed out as the two never got on. WHU didn't pay a massive fee, maybe a swap for Babayaro to keep costs down would be worth a look.
Same for Young. Charlton fans are not happy with him, he's lost interest and we could for the right price he could move. However, nothing more than £3m for numerous reasons, maybe throw Carr in as well
Beattie is about the best striker we can get for the £3m mark without taking a punt abroad. I reckon he'd redouble his efforts if he came here, and relaunch his career, but its a risk, but one worth taking imo.
If the club came out with these three before the window closes, i'd be quite happy. Although i think there are better options about for the fullback positions, we neither have the money, nor the talent to broker the deals needed to secure the players, so maybe with WHU & Charlton in unsecure positions, we could take some advantage over them.
Quoted for this man talking sense. My thoughts exactly.
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He's f***ing amazing.
Never heard of him.
What do you know?
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Have we signed a scouting team recently? Primarily from West Ham. Old friends of Roeder from his days there.
Or was it just one guy?
Or did I just dream it all?
Bobby Ewing...
Yeah - I seem to remember we took two (iirc) of his old pals that seem to culminate in the unexplained disappearance of Tommy Craig.
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Him and Bellamy would have been a good partnership if it was for the fact that Robson was pressured to start Shearer all of the time. Kluivert was unlucky that Shearer was still just about good enough when he arrived.
I don't think he was particularly motivated by the fact he knew he would end up on the bench no matter how well he performed in training.
I'd take your point on Kluivert if he'd done well after leaving Newcastle but he didn't.
Kevin Davies, Peter Crouch, have all had big money moves and flopped. There are some people on here would be delighted with those guys. Beattie's made a bad move once. I bet he'd love the chance to restore his reputation up here.
Just think, we, FOR ONCE, could actually buy a player, restore his reputation and see his value GO UP!! Fuck me, that would be lovely.
When was the last time we sold a player for a profit?
Jenas bluewink.gif
Did we though? If we did it was marginal and it certainly wasn't because he set the world alight up here or we developed him into a much better player, it would be because he was young, english and takes it up the arse.
About £4m with the add on's. Thats nearly double what we paid!
I'd be surprised if we made that much on him and don't reckon we made much on Woodgate (although at the time I suppose we were thankful just to get back what we'd paid). My point is we RARELY make profits on players.
We would have a chance of doing so with Beattie and, again, if it didn't work we'd still be able to flog him to a lower league side for a couple of mill.
Ironic that the two players we made a small profit on we're English too though.
Hamman
Aye, true, I'd forgot about him to be honest.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ade_Akinbiyi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Beattie_%28footballer%29
ive just done a bit of research lol
Beattie, 227 app 82 goals % 36.12 £4 mill
Akinbiyi 409 app 123 goals % 30.07 £750 k
interseting eh lol
Hasn't Akinbiyi played most of those games at lower level though?
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Him and Bellamy would have been a good partnership if it was for the fact that Robson was pressured to start Shearer all of the time. Kluivert was unlucky that Shearer was still just about good enough when he arrived.
I don't think he was particularly motivated by the fact he knew he would end up on the bench no matter how well he performed in training.
I'd take your point on Kluivert if he'd done well after leaving Newcastle but he didn't.
Kevin Davies, Peter Crouch, have all had big money moves and flopped. There are some people on here would be delighted with those guys. Beattie's made a bad move once. I bet he'd love the chance to restore his reputation up here.
Just think, we, FOR ONCE, could actually buy a player, restore his reputation and see his value GO UP!! Fuck me, that would be lovely.
When was the last time we sold a player for a profit?
Jenas bluewink.gif
Did we though? If we did it was marginal and it certainly wasn't because he set the world alight up here or we developed him into a much better player, it would be because he was young, english and takes it up the arse.
About £4m with the add on's. Thats nearly double what we paid!
I'd be surprised if we made that much on him and don't reckon we made much on Woodgate (although at the time I suppose we were thankful just to get back what we'd paid). My point is we RARELY make profits on players.
We would have a chance of doing so with Beattie and, again, if it didn't work we'd still be able to flog him to a lower league side for a couple of mill.
Ironic that the two players we made a small profit on we're English too though.
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Him and Bellamy would have been a good partnership if it was for the fact that Robson was pressured to start Shearer all of the time. Kluivert was unlucky that Shearer was still just about good enough when he arrived.
I don't think he was particularly motivated by the fact he knew he would end up on the bench no matter how well he performed in training.
I'd take your point on Kluivert if he'd done well after leaving Newcastle but he didn't.
Kevin Davies, Peter Crouch, have all had big money moves and flopped. There are some people on here would be delighted with those guys. Beattie's made a bad move once. I bet he'd love the chance to restore his reputation up here.
Just think, we, FOR ONCE, could actually buy a player, restore his reputation and see his value GO UP!! Fuck me, that would be lovely.
When was the last time we sold a player for a profit?
Jenas bluewink.gif
Did we though? If we did it was marginal and it certainly wasn't because he set the world alight up here or we developed him into a much better player, it would be because he was young, english and takes it up the arse.
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I think Beattie would be a decent signing on the cheap, certainly nowhere near £6m!
I agree, I'd probably pay a max of £4m for him.
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Beattie isn't the type of striker we should be looking at. I think people are excited by the fact he's English, scored 20+ goals a few years back and he's cheap.
We shouldn't be buying players based on this criteria, we should be looking at what our teams needs and finding someone who will get the best out of players around him as well as slotting right in. For me, Beattie isn't that man. We need (IMO) someone with a good footballing brain and intelligent link up play, preferably someone strong who can hold the ball up. Sibierski has done his best and has shown what a bit of height and hold up play can bring to our team, but we need better.
Crouch does possess some of these qualities but represents poor value for money. There are plenty of lanky bastards who will score a few goals and hold the ball up, Sibierski is proof of that. We need someone in that mould but better basically, a more natural target man.
A well thought out, constructive argument, God - some people on here could learn a thing or two from you.
Ok, if not Beattie, any suggestions? Bearing in mind that LB/CB will be priority in this window and we won't have wedges of wonga?
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Him and Bellamy would have been a good partnership if it was for the fact that Robson was pressured to start Shearer all of the time. Kluivert was unlucky that Shearer was still just about good enough when he arrived.
I don't think he was particularly motivated by the fact he knew he would end up on the bench no matter how well he performed in training.
I'd take your point on Kluivert if he'd done well after leaving Newcastle but he didn't.
Kevin Davies, Peter Crouch, have all had big money moves and flopped. There are some people on here would be delighted with those guys. Beattie's made a bad move once. I bet he'd love the chance to restore his reputation up here.
Just think, we, FOR ONCE, could actually buy a player, restore his reputation and see his value GO UP!! Fuck me, that would be lovely.
When was the last time we sold a player for a profit?
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Cheers Gejon. I hadn't seen that.
Basically a one goal every 3 games or so Centre Forward then?
Doesn't put me off. He's never had the type of service we could give him and those stats (for a third choice forward which is what he'd be next season) are good IMHO.
A damn good investment.
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Kluivert wasn't crap, he was a better footballer than Alan Shearer, he just gave up and couldn't be arsed to fill his potential or even keep up a good standard of fitness.
Too much money ruined him, but like he gives a shit, and that's the problem with Kluivert, he just didn't and its ruined his career.
I didn't mean he was always crap, but he was by the time he got to us for the reasons you mentioned.
Him and Bellamy would have been a good partnership if it was for the fact that Robson was pressured to start Shearer all of the time. Kluivert was unlucky that Shearer was still just about good enough when he arrived.
I don't think he was particularly motivated by the fact he knew he would end up on the bench no matter how well he performed in training.
Anyway, to all of those slating Beattie, you need to remember just where our club is these days. We are not a top four side and we are not going to break the bank on a world class forward. IF the board haven't learnt anything from some of the buys made over the last few seasons they should be shot.
He's low risk with a point to prove, yet we know he CAN handle the premiership. Can Nugent? Can Eastwood? Fuck knows.
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id have beattie, wouldnt want to pay over 3-4 mill for him though
I agree. He'd be a cracking buy for the right price. People seem to have quickly forgot his Southampton form.
Aye, because he's never reproduced it.
For the reasons quoted above. With Milner, Dyer, Nobby, Emre, Duff etc creating chances for him. He'd score goals with a doubt. He doesn't get that at Everton.
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id have beattie, wouldnt want to pay over 3-4 mill for him though
I agree. He'd be a cracking buy for the right price. People seem to have quickly forgot his Southampton form. Everton have never played in a style or system to suit him. I think they've treat him a bit like we did Kluivert.
He didn't arrive in the best of nick physically and didn't hit the ground running. Moyes lost faith. Simple as really.
Time for a new start for the lad and, I for one, would rather an in-form James Beattie was in our starting eleven rather than giving our centre backs a good battering.
Him and Martins would be breathtaking.
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I prefer Viduka over Beattie
In terms of an investment Viduka would be a freekin disaster mate. Wrong side of 30, will want to finish his career in Aus, not the most motivated at the best of times, will want a final BIG payday and has a shit injury record.
Compare that against Beattie:
- Young (ish)
- English
- Motivated (to prove the ginger gimp in scouseland wrong)
- Will not demand HUGE wages in comparison to Viduka
- We'll be able to flog him on to a Championship side for a couple of million if he doesn't make the grade or settle
- Decent injury record.
No doubt in my mind, if I was the man in charge of the chequebook, I'd go for Beatts every day of the week. He's a low risk investment, especially after we've had our fingers burnt by Boumsong and Luque lately.
Check my previous posts, I've said Beattie is who we should go for for months.
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Shay would never have let in the Collymore winner at his near post in the 4-3.
I agree and he wouldn't have let in either of Fentons strikes at Ewood,which was the straw that broke the camels back IMO.
Flowers was mint that game as well.
Both qouted for truth. Oh, and YES from me. No doubt IMHO.
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Del Piero
3-2 Friendly
Standing ovation for him as well
Class little player
It was nice for him to be part of the World Cup winning side this year I thought. A player who has stuck with (largely) one club throughout his career and given his all for the national side, with that much talent, and opportunity deserves a bit of luck.
bit gutted for Maldini though after his bad luck with the national team, losing in both World Cup 94 and Euro 2000 Finals. If only he stuck around with the national team for a year or so more, he would've won just about everything going domestic and internationally
Agreed mate
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Sorry if this has been covered on other threads. It's hardly a secret that we're after a new striker/stikers in the January window (especially with Rossi and Luque certain to leave). Unless we buy, we'll only have:
Martins, Sibierski, (Owen), (Ameobi).
Clearly, we need another couple of forwards, preferably a big target man and a 6-yard box poacher. So the question is, who would you like to see fill these roles? Not sure about this Boya guy but he sounds like he's a long way off.
My preference would be for a player to hold up play i.e. Crouch, Carew, Zigic or Koller or even Beattie (could work) and a young English goalscorer like Eastwood or Nugent.
Even with that, we'd need to replace Sibbers at some point.
How does everyone see Glenn fitting Owen and Martins into the same team? Can't see how it would work...
I've been saying we should sign Beattie for ages. Blackburn are rumoured to be interested and have been talking about £2m. £2m quid is nothing to risk on an English striker, proven in the top league, hungry to prove a point who rarely gets injured.
I challenge anyone to find a better VALUE acquisition than Beattie based on age, ability, and investment RISK.
edit - sorry, forgot to say, I wouldn't sign another forward if we got a target man. We've got enough cover to play a target man up front on his own or with Milner/Dyer or Emre IF Martins got injured.
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Eh? :confused:
Have I missed something here lads? Since when did this site turn into a bad flashback of English Homework? Write a fucking story?
Please. :roll:
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So, thus far, a squad of the best players we reckon we've seen at St. James' would look something like this;-
Keepers:
Schmeichal
Flowers
Defenders:
Adams
Midfielders:
Vieira
Nedved
Scholes
Gravesen
Keane
Dalglish
Forwards:
Del Piero
Mulder
Owen
Le-Tiss
Drogba
Yorke
Kluivert
Some talent there. We might concede a few mind.
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Gustavo Poyet is also one who always do well against newcastle
Aye, granted, he did and he was a canny player but you're not telling me he was THE BEST opposing player you've ever seen at St. James' are you?
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Rafa,
Out of interest, what do you think of Riise? Are you a big fan?
Cheers in advance.
I love Riise's attitude and attacking instincts. But his defending gives me the shakes a lot of the time bluebiggrin.gif
He's one of these players you can't help but like (which is why I find it incredulous a so called Liverpool fan calls him a tosser), but defensively he isn't all that. He gets away with it a lot in the Prem, but sometimes he gets in trouble cos of it.
Basically, he's a player with a spot-on attitude, he's a workhorse, doen't get many injuries, he's good for a few goals a season, but he isn't the best defensively. That is how I'd sum him up!
Cheers Mate. I'd often wondered what the 'Pool fans view of him was. He always chips in with goals but I wasn't sure if that hid other elements of his game that weren't as strong.
Anyway, question answered, cheers.
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That is class.
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