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Very happy for Carson there brilliant save!

If England go through by somehow pulling out a draw can McClaren survive this debacle?

Phew ... that would have been awful ...

NOT LAMPARD!

I don't know if anyone's mentioned this but surely Wes Brown had to be in the team right?

He's played every game for Man U this season and has the big game experience.

Is he injured?

Taylor is by far our worst central defender. Why is this even being debated? Has absolutely no composure. His performance against Kenwyne Jones after he was moved into the middle to replace Faye was very very disturbing. I just can't believe he has made no progress at all as a player since he got into the side, but this is indeed the case.

Wales vs France U21 is on SS1 now. Playing are your Charles N'Zogbia (@ LB), Spuds' Younes Kaboul and City's Chedwyn Evans.  COYW.

 

Guess who scored?

And guess who gifted away the goal?

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Two seasons ago, Blackburn were kicking people off the park and not looking particularly good with the ball in the process while Portsmouth were battling at the arse end of the table and not exactly pulling up any trees.

 

Allardyce may well not be the right man but if anybody genuinely thinks we would be playing like Blackburn or Pompey because we had their manager for 12 games, well I question your sanity. Football doesn't work like that.

 

Spot on. One thing all the above have had (except Allardyce) is plenty of time.

True.

The precious commodity of time ... will anyone ever be able to gain it at Newcastle? Becoming practically impossible.

Redknapp. Could you imagine the type of players he would get to Newcastle with our budget! Especially as he loves attacking football.

This is the guy that somehow managed to get D'Alessandro to Pompey for a year.

We would have an exciting, strong and pacy side with loads of skill and ability.

Sigh ...

Really hasnt got a future with us anymore. Hes a crock with wages as big as his reputation, a player who has no place in Allardyce's preferred system where the central striker is more of a mobile battering ram than a quiet goal poacher.

 

Owen out, Huntelaar/Anelka in.

 

Anelka is probably the best shout of a realistic player who can attack the six yard line, which is what I feel we need. He'd be a good partner for Martins too.

 

Basically we should have got Nico before he went to Bolton.

Souness wanted him but Freddy refused to pay the £8 million and splurged £16 million on Owen instead.

Brilliant ...

I'm not saying Martins usually has poor first touch, but Owen's is better.

Fair enough.

We'll just have to wait to see what happens with Martins.

I bet he surprises a few people though.

I don't care what Milner says. It was a bad pass that turned into a fluke goal through shambolic defending.

 

Yes, lets ignore what the the professional player says. Lets ignore the decent manager who picks the team.

 

After all, you really know more than they do.

 

So what´s your take on that goal? Was it a shot, in which case what´s Owen got to do with it? Was it a pass, in which case it was either a bad pass or Owen didn´t have the pace to get to it? I agree Gordon probably positioned himself for the way our strikers were set up, but you could argue that everybody inside the box at the time of the pass/shot had an effect on the goal. The only noteworty thing Owen did in the Sunderland match was make a good run on a Harper long ball and miss a chance he could/should (?) have scored for a player of his stature..

 

In regards to that Owen chance once he had to shift it onto his left foot the chance was gone ... because our world class striker has no left foot!

 

Martins would have hammered it ... might have ended up in row Z but he would have hit it and not passed it to their goalie and it would have had a better chance of going in.

 

That is assuming Martins has the same brilliant first touch control that Owen has, which is extremely debatable.

 

Please refer to his Manchester City goal please ...

 

I could refer to many other occasions in a match when his first touch is dreadful, only such things are unlikely to be shown in highlights packages.

My point is that he has that ability so who are you to say he wouldn't have brought it down?

I could point to occassions where Owens touch has been poor too.

I don't care what Milner says. It was a bad pass that turned into a fluke goal through shambolic defending.

 

Yes, lets ignore what the the professional player says. Lets ignore the decent manager who picks the team.

 

After all, you really know more than they do.

 

So what´s your take on that goal? Was it a shot, in which case what´s Owen got to do with it? Was it a pass, in which case it was either a bad pass or Owen didn´t have the pace to get to it? I agree Gordon probably positioned himself for the way our strikers were set up, but you could argue that everybody inside the box at the time of the pass/shot had an effect on the goal. The only noteworty thing Owen did in the Sunderland match was make a good run on a Harper long ball and miss a chance he could/should (?) have scored for a player of his stature..

 

In regards to that Owen chance once he had to shift it onto his left foot the chance was gone ... because our world class striker has no left foot!

 

Martins would have hammered it ... might have ended up in row Z but he would have hit it and not passed it to their goalie and it would have had a better chance of going in.

 

That is assuming Martins has the same brilliant first touch control that Owen has, which is extremely debatable.

Please refer to his Manchester City goal please ...

I don't care what Milner says. It was a bad pass that turned into a fluke goal through shambolic defending.

 

Yes, lets ignore what the the professional player says. Lets ignore the decent manager who picks the team.

 

After all, you really know more than they do.

 

So what´s your take on that goal? Was it a shot, in which case what´s Owen got to do with it? Was it a pass, in which case it was either a bad pass or Owen didn´t have the pace to get to it? I agree Gordon probably positioned himself for the way our strikers were set up, but you could argue that everybody inside the box at the time of the pass/shot had an effect on the goal. The only noteworty thing Owen did in the Sunderland match was make a good run on a Harper long ball and miss a chance he could/should (?) have scored for a player of his stature..

In regards to that Owen chance once he had to shift it onto his left foot the chance was gone ... because our world class striker has no left foot!

Martins would have hammered it ... might have ended up in row Z but he would have hit it and not passed it to their goalie and it would have had a better chance of going in.

Well considering Martins scored goals last season in what was a far worse team, I would argue that he would score even more in a better team. If Owen only scores given perfect opportunities and martins scores some of these as well as from nothing I could argue Martins scores more out of the two at the moment.

 

My point exactly.. Besides, if a player would `only` contribute by scoring, he would have to score a hell of a lot more than Owen ever did. Van Nistelrooij is a good example. He will not create too much himself, but over the course of his career has consistently scored almost twice as many goals as Owen. We are playing Rolls Royce wages for a very untrustworthy Jaguar (sorry NE5 )..

 

Matter of fact Owen is only a great finisher inside the box. Outside of it he isn't a threat as his shots from outside the box are rather pathetic. I'm really not sure he would score more goals than martins at themoment at all.

 

I think you'll find that most good teams score most of their goals from inside the box. Long range finishing is a useful ability but should never ever be put ahead of finishing from inside the area.

I'd rather have someone who could do both as Martins does.

Well considering Martins scored goals last season in what was a far worse team, I would argue that he would score even more in a better team. If Owen only scores given perfect opportunities and martins scores some of these as well as from nothing I could argue Martins scores more out of the two at the moment.

 

My point exactly.. Besides, if a player would `only` contribute by scoring, he would have to score a hell of a lot more than Owen ever did. Van Nistelrooij is a good example. He will not create too much himself, but over the course of his career has consistently scored almost twice as many goals as Owen. We are playing Rolls Royce wages for a very untrustworthy Jaguar (sorry NE5 )..

Matter of fact Owen is only a great finisher inside the box. Outside of it he isn't a threat as his shots from outside the box are rather pathetic. I'm really not sure he would score more goals than martins at themoment at all.

Am i mental thinking Arshavin would be a better signing? 

 

Where would Arshavin play? How would your mid/attacking formation look?

 

Given

Beye Rozehnal Faye Enrique

Edmilson

Riquelme   Barton

Arshavin                          N'Zogbia

Viduka

 

 

I think I just jizzed my pants

Replace Zoggy with Martins and I too will jizz ...

Well considering Martins scored goals last season in what was a far worse team, I would argue that he would score even more in a better team. If Owen only scores given perfect opportunities and martins scores some of these as well as from nothing I could argue Martins scores more out of the two at the moment.

Your argument stinks ...

The Milner quotes are on Newcastle World if people still dont believe that the proffessionals reckon Owen played a big big part in our goal vs Sunderland.

 

Hasn't it occured to you that if Martins had played instead of Owen he might just of scored himself? Or got a hat-trick? Or set up numerous goals? Or been sent off?

Glad someone pointed this out ...

James get a grip dude.

Arshavin looked quality today.

Tell you what realy dissapoints me, when he's fit he will expect to be straight back into the first team regardless of how well we might be doing without him and how well Martins might be doing having stepped in for him.

This is freakin' tragic as absolutely no one will want anything to do with him now. We are stuck with him till his contract runs out. You couldn't flog him for £5 million right now even.

The last time he had a thigh strain in training he was out for about 4 weeks!!!

It's never a simple injury with this guy ...

The saga continues  ... Owen was a freakin' catastrophe of a purchase.

This will now mean we can't even sell him. We're going to have to let him run out his contract and move on.

This is the problem. You just can't make any serious plans with him as a major component of the team. The situation is beyond ridiculous.

Time to move forward without him. He should be used as an impact sub period. That is about all his body can handle it seems. Why should he be keeping out a fitter, stronger, quicker player exactly?

Another thing is the simple fact that Owen is unreliable as far as fitness goes, so deciding to build the whole team around him with players that suit him wouldn't be the smartest thing I don't think.

It would make more sense to build a more versatile and multifunctional team which clearly won't accomodate Owen.

By all accounts he seems like a good player who isn't so high profile that he might get nicked by a Chelsea or Madrid type so it could be possible.

Also not likely to see a move to Newcastle as strictly a financial opportunity, as it will clearly be a step up for him and one he ought to relish.