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Id go for the guy who can score goals using magical mind powers, but we dont have that either so we'll have to stick with guy #1 wont we. Owen should stay in the team yes. However when people start talking baout him going to Arsenal or Man U next season I just find such things perplexing. The thought of Wenger playing Owen ahead of the likes of Adebayor, Van Persie, Eduardo ... I mean come on!

Does the first guy become a boot cleaner at Arsenal? When his ratio dwindles to 1 in 13 yes he does and only on a temporary deal byt he way.

If this is what it comes down to then we are definitely going down.

Let me just throw an interesting discussion I had the other day out there. Do you take the guy who scores 1 in 2 chances but who on average gets 3 chances a game? Or do you take the guy who scores 1 in 3 but who on average gets 6 chances a game? The second guy right. Okay, so the way I see it the likes of Owen are the first guy while your Adebayors are more akin to the second. Their makeup i.e. their pace, strength leaping ability and presence is going to lead to a far greater percentage of chances coming their way over the course of the game and ultimately they will get you more goals despite the lesser ratio. You have the rare guys who are a lethal combination of both attributes such as Shearer was in his heyday or a Torres today.

A top finisher is someone who can put the ball in the back of the net in a variety of ways. The more ways a player is able to do this consistently the more dangerous they are and the more of an accomplished striker this person is. Perfect example Alan Shearer. Owen right now is only capable of occassionally putting away chances in the box. Not a top finisher. So when people were getting on about Arsenal needing a goal scorer in recent years, you didnt agree. You thought their line up + Bendtner, Diaby were the answer? They didnt miss a player like Owen who comes a live when the ball is in the box. When ball gets crossed through six yard noone is ever there for them, everyone is outside the box. Thats good awareness/intelligence to you?.. not getting on the end of chances? That makes you a good finisher?? Arsenal's best finisher is Eduardo. Scores these poacher goals you talk about Owen scoring but will also fire one in from outside the box if you give him space, and he will do this with either foot. He will also score with Headers. He will also get you assists. he will go past people and open up defences. he will contribute to general play. I just don't know what else to say really. Arsenal generally do not have a problem scoring goals when all of their strikers have been fit to answer your question more directly. In the occassional games when they are facing teams who have 12 people in their box they do come unstuck but you are overstating these instances greatly.

Very good post. Yes you can say in an ideal world Owen would score goals under the conditions youhave spoken about and this may well be the case. However, my argument is that this type of striker in today's game is just not good enough and will not be accomodated by any of the top teams. Way too one dimensional. You never take such a player as Owen over any of those Arsenal strikers who will all score just as many goals as Owen in a greater variety of ways and will also throw in an abundance of assists also and a greater contribution tot he teams play.

A top finisher is someone who can put the ball in the back of the net in a variety of ways. The more ways a player is able to do this consistently the more dangerous they are and the more of an accomplished striker this person is. Perfect example Alan Shearer. Owen right now is only capable of occassionally putting away chances in the box. Not a top finisher.

So you don't understand then? And you know what that's okay. You are entitled not to. I will end with this ... it is not intelligent to only attempt shots inside the box if you claim to be a top striker. It is down right incompetent and quite moronic. Particularly in a team that will hardly ever provide these opportunities.

What? That post is idiotic. Rooney 10 shots to 1 goal, thats terrible. I suppose you think stats are rubbish when you look at something like 14 goals in 38 games for example. owen's goal record in the league this season is going to be something like 7 goals in 30 games, that's a shocking statitistic and look at the teams he's scored against He has score 10 or 11, and dont think he has played 30 games for us this year. How many were sub appearances. I been proving to you, with stats, links everything. Given a chance will put it away more than most in the league, proved that with the supposedly 'light years ahead with finishing' van Persie/Adebayor records for the year. What are you arguing? Put Micheal Owen in a team create chances for him - he aint had many. He has had 50, van Persie 180 shots. I love your passion dude but it's badly misplaced. You will find that in general the best strikers and goal scorers take a hell of a lot of shots and miss a hell of a lot also but ultimately score the most. FFS it all started with you! You said Arsenal dont need someone like Owen in the side, when in fact they dont have a striker in the 6 yard box, they miss a fuckload of chances, they draw 0-0 when dominate games soo many times recent seasons, have lost games they dominated. Then you said outright lie that van Persie, Adebayor, BENDTNER, DIABY was more clinical as a striker. When proving they miss a "HELL OF A LOT" (your words) and Owen does in fact score more from LESS chances he gets. You try to shift it onto general play. I was only arguing about the word you used 'finishing'. Owen finishes more chances. Fact. Okay lets stick strictly to clinical finishing. Everytime Owen misses he misses from 5 yards out when he is one on one with the goalie. These are the only times he shoots. When the Arsenal strikers miss chances they miss from 30 yards, 20 yards 10 yards etc however they test the goalie and force saves also and they also occassionally score from these distances too. If these strikers also only limited themselves to waiting in the box to score from 5 yards and nothing else (like Owen does!) then they would score with a much better ratio than Owen. Do you understand?

Shearer needs to take Owen to the side and spell it out to him. "Look mate, this side is utter crap and there is no point waiting on them to create chances for you, you have to find a way to get more shots on goal in and be more of a goal threat" Put more of an onus on Owen because in this side this is the kind of mindset he needs to have. I think it has been a mistake all the constant talk about needing to create more chances for Owen. Although this is obviously the case, the striker also has to be encouraged to go out of his way to make things happen also. Owen needs to take more responsibility. he's been given an easy out with all this not enough chances stuff.

What? That post is idiotic. Rooney 10 shots to 1 goal, thats terrible. I suppose you think stats are rubbish when you look at something like 14 goals in 38 games for example. owen's goal record in the league this season is going to be something like 7 goals in 30 games, that's a shocking statitistic and look at the teams he's scored against He has score 10 or 11, and dont think he has played 30 games for us this year. How many were sub appearances. I been proving to you, with stats, links everything. Given a chance will put it away more than most in the league, proved that with the supposedly 'light years ahead with finishing' van Persie/Adebayor records for the year. What are you arguing? Put Micheal Owen in a team create chances for him - he aint had many. He has had 50, van Persie 180 shots. I love your passion dude but it's badly misplaced. You will find that in general the best strikers and goal scorers take a hell of a lot of shots and miss a hell of a lot also but ultimately score the most.

In this whole league, just think about every team in this league right, even the very worst of them ... is there any striker who is so reliant on service that he never ever even has an attempt on goal unless he is handed a chance in the box? The current Owen is a dinosaur of the game.

And yet Martins despite all his flaws, and I will admit he does have some, has scored against them all except maybe Chelsea and he came damn close.

Swap him for any of Arshavin, Adebayor or van Persie without question. They create and score chances, be more important to the team. So why on Earth would Wenger show any hint of interest in our grubby, pass it's sell by date striker? Owen is too one dimensional and too slow he wouldn't be able to keep up with those kids at Arsenal. Those Arsenal kids are the future of the game. Young, fresh, exciting and sexy football. Owen would be so out of place. He would be the guy no one wants to sit next to at lunch.

dmck let me ask you this. If by some miracle we could swap Owen for any of the Arsenal strikers for the run in till the end of the season would you switch him for any of them? Or keep Owen?

Erm no he is in my opinion, his record throughout his carear has been. He is a striker plays on coinfidence and service, a concept i dont think you understand. If you look at how much chances Arsenal create, they are super wasteful he is more clinical then all of them - look at his carear goals/games ratio. It's a fact. When Arsenal cross the ball through 6 yard box, most of the Arsenal players are on the edge of the area if you have ever seen them play, Owen would be right there. Arsenal are without this player. Can't believe you put Diaby, Vela and Bendtner in that list btw shocking, Vela has had about 2 good games, Diaby is DCM and Bendtner has been shocking most games. I put Vela, Bendtner and Diaby in there because my regard for the Owen I see out there for Newcastle this season is that low. You can talk about his record all you want but he is never a better striker today than Eduardo and Adebayor in particular or any of the others I have mentioned. Bearing in the mind the multi faceted games all of the Arsenal strikers have and the variety of ways they can score goals and create chances. Owen is a nothing player in comparison. Sorry.

The key to this working last season was the insistence in keeping the ball on the groound. Nowadays a number of our players too easily and often play the ball in the air to no one in particular and no one in the coaching staff seems to give a damn about it.

Shame this version of Owen has been extinct for what? 5 years now? His right foot is just about serviceable right now never mind his left! His left doesn't even register anymore.

We are talking about the Owen of today playing at Arsenal and being more clinical than all of their strikers??? You are either a major WUM or monumental WUM.

Jay Simpson on loan from Arsenal. 30 goals next season alongside Carroll who will get 20.

An unbelievable statement! Eduardo is everything Owen was and more. Adebayor, Van Persie, Carlos Vela and even Bendtner are far more useful. The likes of Arshavin, Nasri and even Diaby can play as second strikers also. Unless they are looking for a boot cleaner Owen need not apply. Arsenal create chances left, right and center. How many times have ALL the players you have listed tried to walk into into the net and either draw or not even score at all! Owen would be a great addition, imo more clinical than all those strikers, certainly more intelligent. A crap side, and a forward who relies on service isnt going to make him look good. A good side + confidence and his ability in front of goal, great match-up for him. Jeeeeeeeeeeeesus Lord please have mercy on this man for the blasphemy he has spoketh! Owen more clinical than who? What football do you watch? Are you seriously joking? Owen whose shots generate less power than a newborn's would? Owen who cannot shoot from outside the box? Owen who cannot shoot with his left foot? Who can no longer go past anyone? Who can no longer finish one on one with the goalie? Owen is now a midget striker who occassionally scores headers from 5 yards or less or tap ins from 5 yards from less. 95% of his goals come this way. Outside of these he does absolutely nothing else in general play. How dare you compare this player to Eduardo, Adebayor, Van Persie, Arshavin, Vela etc. How dare you man! I am flabbergasted.

An unbelievable statement! Eduardo is everything Owen was and more. Adebayor, Van Persie, Carlos Vela and even Bendtner are far more useful. The likes of Arshavin, Nasri and even Diaby can play as second strikers also. Unless they are looking for a boot cleaner Owen need not apply.

The sad thing is even if we go down we'll need a very well thought out overhaul of the squad because this team, funnily enough, would be worse in the championship than the premiership in my opinion. They'll just get pushed around and bullied to all day and will crumble to bits.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I'm sorry but this will never work. If I saw these two upfornt I would push my defensive line all the way up to the edge of the Nedwcstle United box. An attack without Oba does not work, whatever you think about him. When is Loven back? We could do with him upfront.

Honestly we are the worst footballing side in the league. Stoke, Blackburn and a few others play disgusting brands of football but they at least have a plan and stick to it. We don't do anything well. We don't have a style of football because we don't even play football. I'm still not sure what they do out there because it isn't football. Just a bunch of random actions between some really cluelees players' feet and the ball, while hoping something comes out of nowhere. West Brom play better than us, Boro do also and God forgive me even Sunderland figure out the occassional passing sequence a couple of times a game. We are the worst team in this league and if we go down we really can have no complaints at all.