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1 minute ago, relámpago blanco said:

It'll be truly awful if we sell him and see him winning champions leagues with Man City

This mans career prospects are escalating at an astonishing rate! 

I don't think we could ever out do Chelsea though so I think we'll be okay.

They could have legit had Salah, DeBruyne and Lukaku come through together and play together the last 10 years.

2 minutes ago, duo said:

I get that but we play enough games to rotate. It is not like Isak is able to play all games, plus they can play in addition to Isak - depends on who they get and their flexibility.  DCL is also a completely different style of player so if Isak gets injured we won't have a like for like replacement.

The calibre of players like Sesko, Zirkzee, David, Gimenez, Ghuirassy are all getting first team main striker offers from other really good clubs. The likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd, AC Milan, Dortmund etc. They are more likely to choose those sorts of options, rather than join us and rotate with Isak.

Play style wise, I think it's fine as his profile still works well for us, while adding some different elements. Isak and Wilson are very different but were still both effective in our setup.

1 minute ago, macphisto said:

I wonder if we're a little behind the times as a fan base? Are we not focusing too much on developing young players with a view to them becoming 1st team players rather than a way to generate income and get around FFP which is equally important to the club? We will make a significant profit on Minteh which is what we want. With this model, we have to accept that some players will move on and become great players; just part of our model as to generate high fees there has to be a "risk" of our young players becoming stars of the future. 

Yeah, we're only now being run as a normal outfit and so we're still new to this sort of thing.

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

It’s just frustrating that we are going to seemingly sell a really highly rated youngster whilst still having Miggy and Murphy. ( I know no one wants to buy them before @Gawalls mentions it).

 

 

It's certainly frustrating but at least every other club is in the same boat.

I think eventually things are going to be changed too, because it's not a great environment for young players to be moved around like this as pure profit pawns.

6 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Aye, but I can’t see him being any worse than Miggy.

I understand man, but can we really operate by this premise?

Also we really need to aim for someone that we anticipate being very good on that right side, and not just better than Miggy, which might still not mean they're good enough.

Even on that left hand side, i think part of the reason we went for Barnes, was because although the club rated Gordon, there wasn't any certainty his progress would be so rapid, and so Barnes was a more guaranteed performer output wise. I think Gordon was more of an upside purchase. With Barnes injury early on and Gordon's breakthrough season it worked out differently though. 

1 minute ago, midds said:

I'm just sayimg there's an element of risk regardless of whether we get him out of the door this week or keep him and take the hit. Personally I think I'd take the hit, see how he goes and then make an informed decision. It'll maybe cost us a few points but it's what I think I'd do - if others disagree then fair enough

I understand man. That's fair enough 

1 minute ago, midds said:

I also think that we at least need to see him in training before we decide to stick or twist on him. Also, I'd be fucking astonished if he's less productive that Almiron. What if we're flogging a gem we unearthed for a relative pittance and he goes on to become a £100m+ player in 3 years time? Massive risk to take, no? 

No, not really, because we would have kept all our more important players and bought a more first team ready right wing player, and continued on pushing forward.

God knows where we would be by the time 3 years passes. Certainly not waiting around for Minteh to maybe become a £100 million player.

Make more sense, no? 

5 minutes ago, midds said:

I could just about entertain selling on so quickly if he didn't play in the EXACT position we've got a massive, gaping hole in the first XI. If he was another CM and we were already stacked there then it's an easy decision to sell him for pure profit. But that's not the situation - if he's anywhere near as good as lots of people think he is then keeping him and filling that gap would solve an even bigger problem in the actual first team. 

 

Either way, I'm not sure this decision needs to be made before he's even pulled a Newcastle training shirt on. I'm half tempted to just take the hit of 2 or 3 points and keep him. He makes an impact early days then he'll grab us far more than that over the 38 games we'd play with something threatening on the right AND left 

What happens if we go with this and plug him into the first team as our right winger option, and he goes out there and performs poorly? Massive risk to take, no?

1 hour ago, Conjo said:

Olise has had one good season (in which he was injured for half of). His two seasons before that were not really impressive, and at Mintehs age he was struggling to get into Readings squad and ended the season with 1 assist, 0 goals in 19 appearances.

45 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Minteh at 19 is way ahead of Olise at the same age. His output and underlying stats (at 19) has him on an elite trajectory.  He’s the type of player Dortmund sign and look to flip for £50m+.  

Olise was 19 in the 20/21 season for Reading and had 7 goals and 12 assists that season in the Championship and played 44 games.

I think the Championship is a much more rugged and tougher league than the Eredivise, and him doing that at 19 in that competition trumps what Minteh did for Feyenoord last season IMO.

Just now, Joe1984 said:

Crocked more likely than cooking when it comes to DCL!

See you in August pal! We shall see!

Going to be so interesting to see where Minteh ends up next season and how he does.

Bunch of story lines that will be fascinating to see play out regarding all of this.

2 minutes ago, gdm said:

I’ve said repeatedly if minteh does go I hope it’s out with the premier league and I really don’t like the thought of signing DCL no matter how much the club value him. That’s just my opinions.

Okay, got you!

Don't worry, you'll feel better when DCL is cooking with Isak next season 

1 minute ago, gdm said:

Yes I get psr mate. my comments are in relation to the story yesterday of minteh going to Everton and DCL coming here. Again pack in the condesending attitude I understand how it works. I’m just not keen on the deal with Everton 

 

 

 

Your post read as though you thought the money from Minteh was for the DCL deal. Was just trying to clarify that.

The club do like DCL, but the Minteh thing with Everton also helps us out, will be interesting to see if there's any buy back inserted.

If so, then we do rate the guy and are just doing what's necessary, if not, then it likely means we don't rate him.

1 minute ago, Fezzle said:

Yeah luckily for you its not painstakingly spelt out every day on here. That would be embarrassing 

Cool, so the premise of what I said still stands then. We just don't have full 3 year cycles.

Thanks for your enlightenment and for being such a gracious guru, oh PSR wise one.

2 minutes ago, Eveready said:

We'll be able to bank the net profit of the Minteh sale all in the current accounting year (selling price minus current remaining c.£6m remaining net book value).

 

I believe the amortisation of players transfer fees can probably be calculated daily so if we sign him on June 30th we'll only day 1 day of 5 years of his transfer fee amortised in this accounting year (1/1,825th of the transfer fee).

I hear you.

Ultimately year on year, the commercial team, need to be working over time on ways to improve the money coming in. Could do with some hotels to flog too!

1 minute ago, Fezzle said:

You don't understand the word rolling? So 22, 23,24 is one block. Next year it's 23,24,25 . It's seriously not difficult. Did you sleep through forest and Everton getting done?

Fair enough. Now guys, if you're going to deliver shots like this when I misunderstand something, please no complaining when I do it in future, okay? Because for some reason no one remembers this when I do it!

Okay so we won't have another 3 years of leeway, but still it opens up bit more time, and the Minteh money is not being swallowed up by the money spent on DCL, because they don't count against the PSR in the same way, correct?

1 minute ago, Fezzle said:

Yeah thats bollocks. It's not separate 3 year cycles it's rolling. Guess the obscure Romanian bloggers you count as journalists didn't explain that one

Please explain then.

2 hours ago, gdm said:

Very much this. If selling minteh allows us to bring in real top class winger I’ll suck it up. If it’s done to bring in DCL i just can’t get excited about it 

PSR is done in three year cycles. This June 30th is the end of a 3 year cycle. Selling Minteh is to pass the current 3 year cycle of PSR. Doing the deal with Everton also helps them do the same, while also getting a player the club value in DCL. We are not selling Minteh in order to buy DCL!

This then means from July our spending power opens up again and gives us another 3 years of time to make sure we fall within PSR, and so we can spend quite freely and have a much longer time period to balance the books etc, which will include getting more commercial deals and all that stuff.

Having then passed the current PSR period, it will mean from July 1st we can spend a pretty significant amount of money, depending on how much the club has decided to budget for the summer, and how much they want to push the boat out.

Again, we are not selling Minteh, in order to spend the funds on DCL!

9 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

You would hope we have a reasonable buy back/ sell on clause. In that case it’s probably a good solution to tick a few boxes. Young player gets game time in the league, helps PSR and we get either a % of future sale or the option to bring him back.

 

Have to say if I were Minteh I’d be unimpressed with us and generally it’s farcical that we have to act this way. 

We bought him from a Danish club and gave him incredible exposure on loan at Feyenoord.

He's going to end up on probably ten times the salary he was on when we picked him up.

I doubt he's unimpressed. I'm sure he understands the process.

34 minutes ago, duo said:

Why do they have to play second fiddle? 

Because we play a one striker formation, and we have a number 1 striker already.

22 minutes ago, BennyBlanco said:

 

And scored how many?

You do realise we aren't signing the Everton playing squad and coaching staff along with him right?

Once again I remember all the quotes stating how few goals both Isak and Gordon had scored the season before joining us.

You sign a player for their attributes and what they will add to your team and style of play, and how they will perform in your setup.

My God I can't wait for the end of August to come around and to see the team we have in place.

11 minutes ago, Newcastle Fan said:

His biggest mistake in Bournemouth was signing bang average players English players for a lot of money and so far when you follow who we are currently linked with it seems to be the same pattern, lets hope come the end of the window we are proven wrong.

Yeah, I agree. He was really bad for Bournemouth. I'm sure they wish they'd never had anything to do with him.

4 minutes ago, KetsbaiaIsBald said:

Just got to hope that the deals we’re looking at now are squad fillers at reasonable prices to allow a marque player or two to come in after the ffp deadline is done. 

I think we've shown our intent with the effort to go for Olise.

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Key point being missed this.  I suspect that the Tonali transfer will have further fueled this as a concern, too (not looking to bring up whether or not we should have known etc).  

Yeah, it certainly didn't help.

That issue with Tonali, essentially cost us at least the Europa League place, and probably a Champions League place even, if he had really performed to what the club was expecting.