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Obviously if you selectively remember only the good parts of Hughton's reign and compare them with the absolute low point of Pardew you'd come to that conclusion. What were the low points of Hughton's reign then? Getting beat 3-1 away at WBA iirc. Oh no! Everything he did as caretaker, consecutive home losses to Blackpool and Stoke, 1-5 away at Bolton on a run of five matches without a win culminating in his sacking. I'd go on and list the good parts of Pardew's tenure, but it's not as if you don't remember them. You'd rather just ignore them on your quest to be needlessly condescending. None of those are anything other than I expected from a newly promoted team. You obviously had higher expectations, which makes it so odd that you're backing the current manager. Why does he deserve to keep his job and Hughton didn't? I didn't make either of those claims (a. Pardew deserves to keep his job, b. Hughton didn't), I said that I don't see sufficient evidence to determine whether one is a better manager than the other. I'd have thought Hughton being miles ahead in the same division with much poorer players was plenty evidence. It should have been obvious to you from watching their respective Newcastle sides play anyway imo. I'd have to say no, Norwich being five points ahead of us halfway into the season doesn't really offer me conclusive evidence that Hughton is a better manager. Having watched both their Newcastle sides doesn't really convince me either. So either a. I'm stupid, or b. you're overestimating the quality of play under Hughton based on emotional distress due to our current bad run. I'm kind of hoping it's not a. They're eight points ahead, two points off a Champions League place, with maybe one or two players who would get near our team. Well, either way. We were nine points ahead of Everton last year, does that make Pardew better than Moyes?

Keegan had us playing our best football since SBR. If you exclude him your statement is true, but that's mostly because everyone else we had since then was absolutely fucking terrible. The football under Hughton was pretty unremarkable. He was sacked before he had the chance to lock into a system that worked for our personnel in the Premiership.

Obviously if you selectively remember only the good parts of Hughton's reign and compare them with the absolute low point of Pardew you'd come to that conclusion. What were the low points of Hughton's reign then? Getting beat 3-1 away at WBA iirc. Oh no! Everything he did as caretaker, consecutive home losses to Blackpool and Stoke, 1-5 away at Bolton on a run of five matches without a win culminating in his sacking. I'd go on and list the good parts of Pardew's tenure, but it's not as if you don't remember them. You'd rather just ignore them on your quest to be needlessly condescending. None of those are anything other than I expected from a newly promoted team. You obviously had higher expectations, which makes it so odd that you're backing the current manager. Why does he deserve to keep his job and Hughton didn't? I didn't make either of those claims (a. Pardew deserves to keep his job, b. Hughton didn't), I said that I don't see sufficient evidence to determine whether one is a better manager than the other. I'd have thought Hughton being miles ahead in the same division with much poorer players was plenty evidence. It should have been obvious to you from watching their respective Newcastle sides play anyway imo. I'd have to say no, Norwich being five points ahead of us halfway into the season doesn't really offer me conclusive evidence that Hughton is a better manager. Having watched both their Newcastle sides doesn't really convince me either. So either a. I'm stupid, or b. you're overestimating the quality of play under Hughton based on emotional distress due to our current bad run. I'm kind of hoping it's not a.

Obviously if you selectively remember only the good parts of Hughton's reign and compare them with the absolute low point of Pardew you'd come to that conclusion. What were the low points of Hughton's reign then? Getting beat 3-1 away at WBA iirc. Oh no! Everything he did as caretaker, consecutive home losses to Blackpool and Stoke, 1-5 away at Bolton on a run of five matches without a win culminating in his sacking. I'd go on and list the good parts of Pardew's tenure, but it's not as if you don't remember them. You'd rather just ignore them on your quest to be needlessly condescending. None of those are anything other than I expected from a newly promoted team. You obviously had higher expectations, which makes it so odd that you're backing the current manager. Why does he deserve to keep his job and Hughton didn't? I didn't make either of those claims (a. Pardew deserves to keep his job, b. Hughton didn't), I said that I don't see sufficient evidence to determine whether one is a better manager than the other.

I will allow myself one smug "I was right"

Obviously if you selectively remember only the good parts of Hughton's reign and compare them with the absolute low point of Pardew you'd come to that conclusion. What were the low points of Hughton's reign then? Getting beat 3-1 away at WBA iirc. Oh no! Everything he did as caretaker, consecutive home losses to Blackpool and Stoke, 1-5 away at Bolton on a run of five matches without a win culminating in his sacking. I'd go on and list the good parts of Pardew's tenure, but it's not as if you don't remember them. You'd rather just ignore them on your quest to be needlessly condescending.

Obviously if you selectively remember only the good parts of Hughton's reign and compare them with the absolute low point of Pardew you'd come to that conclusion.

Based on what? Didn't a team revolving around Nolan beat us comfortably a few weeks ago? Sick of hearing "he deserved better, such dignity". He's simply a miles better manager. That's just jumping to conclusions based on the heat of the moment. We had our share of bad spells and embarrassing results with Hughton as well. Don't think either is appreciably better than the other.

Based on what exactly Columbo? It was going around that part of the reason he was sacked was because he was too chummy with the senior players. I think it's a reasonable conjecture based on common knowledge that part of the reason that Ashley pulled the trigger so quickly was he didn't see a long term future with Nolan/Barton and Hughton was too close to them, and therefore would be unwilling to sell them/rebuild. I can't prove any of this, of course.

I'm kind of relieved they won today.

He was sacked prematurely and deserved better, yes. That said, if he was still around our team might still be revolving around Nolan and Barton.

Cisse on the bench:

Jonas man, I love you but this has got to stop

That thirty seconds of brilliance from Anita has left me speechless.

We're allowed to use subs, right?

Hopefully Curtis Good can be that later in the season.

This is just me trying to stay calm, but we've seen players hit bad form for long periods or even whole seasons and then later come good. Maybe that can happen for managers as well?

Really don't think we'll buy a center back in January. That would make too much sense. I accept that some aspects of the club's transfer policy are necessary, but it's ridiculously frustrating from a fan's perspective.

That would depend on two things: 1) results 2) style of play suiting the current squad At the moment I can't really see either coming any time soon so I think your view is very short term at best. I'm assuming the new manager isn't going to be significantly better than Pardew, which I think given our track record is a pretty fair assumption.

I think we're marginally more likely to keep players with Pardew than without him. Shortcomings nonwithstanding, at the very least they seem to like him and are willing to play for him.

That sad, resigned feeling you get whenever he hits a cross into the box.

I don't want to sell him but it seems like it's out of our hands now.

I really think tonight's result was much more down to certain players letting the team down than Pardew's tactics. Tiote was absolutely awful, Cisse and Ba looked thick as mince and ball watch when we're in possession. We knocked it about well but were let down partly by poor decision making and partly an absence of luck. Pardew must take blame for 3 shite subs though, timing and personnel was all wrong. I agree 100% with this. Style of play was much more positive. Individual performances were disgusting.

Even if we only get 3 points until the new year we're still (just barely) on pace for survival and that's after suffering what will probably be our worst run of the season. The only realistic chance of us getting relegated at this point is if we sack Pardew and appoint a Kinnear-equivalent.