Jackie Broon

Nice.

Ashley's helicopter just stopped off in central London now heading north, possibly Newcastle bound? https://www.flightradar24.com/GMOAL/282ec4e0

They're back. https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=7101e3

The high court documents show that was not the case, they didn't even start the O&D test for any of the proposed directors. And they would have grounds to fail them on, that they hadn't disclosed another person teat the PL had determined would have control of the club.

I remember seeing that too. Either the PL have been inconsistent in their position (which is not beyond the realms of possibility) or the stories were wrong.

The PL didn't even start assessing the declared directors under the O&D test because they said the KSA should be declared before they do that. The PL's preliminary decision letter, from 12/06/2020, included in the high court judgement confirmed that: "Following receipt of any submissions, [PLL] will fully consider them before reaching a final decision on the issues. If [PLL] then decides that KSA will not become a Director, then it will proceed to a decision on the application of Section [F] to the individuals who have been declared, including PIF. However, should the Board decide that KSA is also to be regarded as a future Director, then there will have to be a declaration in respect of KSA and the Board’s decision on the application of [Section F] will have to be made in respect of KSA also." I think that's procedurally incorrect from the wording of their rules, which state that the rules apply to any declared directors from the point that they are declared, but that's how they did it.

The arbitration is to decide whether the KSA should be disclosed as a director by virtue of being a person in control of the club. If the club win the arbitration the KSA don't need to be disclosed but, yes, PIF and the rest of the consortium would then have to go through the O&D test and that could find grounds to fail them. Although, that seems very unlikely and dangerous for the PL to do given the CAT case hanging over them.

The PL's rules state that the arbitration decision is final and binding, but they haven't got a great track record of following their own rules.

It's a single issue, I doubt the hearing would be more than a week. Not sure whether it was true but I've seen someone claim that this is the arbitration service that is being used https://www.sportresolutions.com/services/arbitration their website says: "Arbitration awards are normally given in writing, with detailed reasons, within three weeks of the conclusion of the hearing. They are distributed by e-mail to the parties. The parties may request a verbal decision with written reasons to follow if the matter is urgent. E.g. where an important sporting event is directly related to the decision." The FA and EFL use them so it seems feasible that the PL would too.

The only thing we know officially is that the arbitration hearing is in July. Although, there seems to be an ITK consensus that it starts on monday. In relation to the CAT case the PL's jurisdiction challenge was submitted on 11th June and there should be a date set for the jurisdiction hearing anytime soon.

They'll be exposed in the CAT case.

Generally without prejudice settlement discussions can't be used as evidence, but there are exceptions to that, such as where it shows that the case being defended is dishonest or fraudulent.

Yeah, Engee is just a WUM, he constantly posts bollocks like that, even less reliable than Burnsie.

It stopped in Sicily on the way, which is what he was referring to I think. From what he said after I think he just saw the flight schedule somewhere rather than having any insider knowledge.

Those deluded glimpses of hope are the only excitement we have left as Newcastle fans. It's fun while the hope lasts and I've come to expect it to always end in nothing so there's no harm in it. But, we really are at the point where something big either positive or negative is likely happen any day/week now. There should be an update on the CAT website very soon, either a date for the jurisdiction hearing or, less likely, a decision on that. The arbitration hearing could also be going on as we speak or at least should be at some point in the next few weeks.

The arbitration supposedly starts next week, that is very likely to be concluded before the start of the season. The CAT probably isn't a route to the deal being done in itself, it will take way too long, it's probably there as an insurance policy and to put extra pressure on the PL.

Saudis: HZ-MF1 HZ-MF2 HZ-MF3 HZ-MF4 Ashley: G-MATO G-MAOL G-MOAL Ruebens: CS-RBN CS-REU

We'll find out soon enough because, going by other cases, we should have a date in the diary for the jurisdiction hearing in the next week or so. Or if a decision has been made on the papers it should be published very soon.

On the ground in Luton https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=7101e2

My reading is that he's saying it's just the stuff yesterday about it being published on Friday that was just to see if Burnsie posted it, not the initial stuff he posted at the weekend about the jurisdiction challenge being thrown out.

That's why the ESL clubs were so confident in their legal position at first, because they knew the PL's rules restricting them from being able to join other competitions would be found to be anti-competitive in court. It was only after Johnson came out and said they would bring in legislation to prevent clubs from joining the ESL that they backed down.

Not only that, I think the O&D test itself will probably be found to be anti-competitive. It's just too broad and too far beyond the controls over company directors in law, I think something like that would need government legislation behind it to stand up.

There will also be a lot of negotiation to get done in a very short time before the arbitration starts next week (if that's the case). If the PL were to indicate that they are willing to come to a settlement, Ashley would then probably have to negotiate a binding deal with the the consortium before he can go back and negotiate with the PL, because that deal will be fundamental to the negotiation of any settlement.

Not all planes are shown on there HZ-MF1 isn't, you can see it on here https://globe.adsbexchange.com/ it's still in Luton. (I think that post on not606 might be fishing for Burnsie)