Jayson

What are you talking about man? That is just based on what you think. Jayson has probably explained how this has nothing to do with our manager 20 pages ago. Lets try to comprehend what the word conviction means and how that could differ from person to person. I am probably more pro Pardew than many still, i am open to his flaws though. Some of you are completely blind to any strengths he holds atall, it becomes tedious. Jayson I can't help remembering your slaughtering of Coloccini in the early days and my difference of opinion with you then during a match thread. I don't think you see the bigger picture, you didn't back then and I don't see any sign that much has changed really. I didnt rate him much really yeah, thought most people were going over the top due to a few good performances that had been outweighed by that point with poor ones. Our midfield was garbage, but he had individual moments where he was just beaten to easily. But yeah hes adjusted brilliantly since. Thats one of many situations isnt it, everyone has been wrong. You included. Form is temporary. Class is permanent. When you look beyond the stats and use your eyes to judge a player all will prove true in the end. Unless you don't have a clue to start with. Irrelevant generic statements with little meaning finishing with a pointess dig yeah, class welldone Let me put it more more simply then. Either you can recognise a good player or you can't. It doesn't surprise me that you are a Pardew fan based on previous history though. One of your first posts on the forum involves you talking about Luques obvious class. All your future opinions are now discredited by your own argument. Clever as usual.

Massively miniscule point to pick up on. But uh see with headers and deflections, one tends to involve a level of luck. It isnt as indicative of whether a defensive system has on the whole done enough to lessen a goalscoring chance, as a keepers is more easily beaten when the course of a ball is changed significantly.

Thats your argument after reading that?

Last season we let in 1.5 goals per game, this season we've let in 1.464 goals per game. Not bad considering we work on defence 80% of the time. It is more relevant to look at the number of games we've only needed to score more than once to win. So far theres been 7 of those from the 25 games with 2 fit CB's. Games vs Spurs twice, Man city, Lpool, Arsenal, Fulham & Wolves. Again of those take away pens/deflected goals & only 4 have managed it. Lpool, Fulham, Spurs & now arsenal in the last minute. In comparison to 17 games we conceded more than once last season. Im afraid Pardews actually made us very very hard to beat in open play. As yesterday showed again.

What are you talking about man? That is just based on what you think. Jayson has probably explained how this has nothing to do with our manager 20 pages ago. Lets try to comprehend what the word conviction means and how that could differ from person to person. I am probably more pro Pardew than many still, i am open to his flaws though. Some of you are completely blind to any strengths he holds atall, it becomes tedious. Jayson I can't help remembering your slaughtering of Coloccini in the early days and my difference of opinion with you then during a match thread. I don't think you see the bigger picture, you didn't back then and I don't see any sign that much has changed really. I didnt rate him much really yeah, thought most people were going over the top due to a few good performances that had been outweighed by that point with poor ones. Our midfield was garbage, but he had individual moments where he was just beaten to easily. But yeah hes adjusted brilliantly since. Thats one of many situations isnt it, everyone has been wrong. You included. Form is temporary. Class is permanent. When you look beyond the stats and use your eyes to judge a player all will prove true in the end. Unless you don't have a clue to start with. Irrelevant generic statements with little meaning finishing with a pointess dig yeah, class welldone

Its obvious from whats been said Pardews strengths are more towards the defensive side of things. Defensively we've been brilliant this season. It sounds like Carver is in charge of our attacking player & that generally lacks of kind of flowing movement. Comparing the strengths of our side though, its potentially better we have a manager very capable at sorting our weakest area. Bar a Deflected goal, missed penalty & last minute failure we'd have taken 7 points from our last 3.

This "long ball 2nd half" is an absolute load of bs Im rewatching the 2nd half right now. 60 mins and our defence has kicked it long once. Krul plays a FK short to Colo, who passes to Perch, who takes to long & is pressured, leaves a short pass to Colo who is also pressured & he then boots it long. The only person booting it is Krul on goalkicks. We were literally just dominated by Arsenal from the start. No longball gameplan whatsoever.

What are you talking about man? That is just based on what you think. Jayson has probably explained how this has nothing to do with our manager 20 pages ago. Lets try to comprehend what the word conviction means and how that could differ from person to person. I am probably more pro Pardew than many still, i am open to his flaws though. Some of you are completely blind to any strengths he holds atall, it becomes tedious. Jayson I can't help remembering your slaughtering of Coloccini in the early days and my difference of opinion with you then during a match thread. I don't think you see the bigger picture, you didn't back then and I don't see any sign that much has changed really. I didnt rate him much really yeah, thought most people were going over the top due to a few good performances that had been outweighed by that point with poor ones. Our midfield was garbage, but he had individual moments where he was just beaten to easily. But yeah hes adjusted brilliantly since. Thats one of many situations isnt it, everyone has been wrong. You included.

We weren't battered in the first half and changed our game the minute they kicked the 2nd half off. Except that we didnt atall, we continued playing as we did in the first half.

Players do have their own brains but if they are told to do something as a collective then it's going to be a struggle for any individual to change that. Are you suggesting that the manager said something and the players came out and changed how he wanted us to play between leaving the dressing room and kick off? I think that you could equally explain it by saying some of our defenders simply make the wrong choices on the ball after sustaining strong periods of pressure. It takes a calmness & level of belief to get battered for a period and come out of that wanting to keep the ball at your feet as a defender and pass it around slowly. Especially to think you can do that against Arsenal. Player mentality could also simply be the reason we resort to this stuff, its not an obvious thing either way atall. People blame Pardew for Wolves. But we instantly sat back after our second goal as a team, we stopped pushing fowards as much & started accepting the pressure long before half time. Just as Milan did against Arsenal recently, its a common thing that happens often.

What can be attributed towards Pardew is entirely the debate though. What you believe about that is determined moreso by bias than much else. Arsenal for example, there are alternative explanations as to why our side didnt keep the ball down in a similar way in the 2nd half against a side who recently thrashed spurs 5-2 via dominating the 2nd half. There is more to football than simply the instructions the manager gives, players do have their own brains.

What are you talking about man? That is just based on what you think. Jayson has probably explained how this has nothing to do with our manager 20 pages ago. Lets try to comprehend what the word conviction means and how that could differ from person to person. I am probably more pro Pardew than many still, i am open to his flaws though. Some of you are completely blind to any strengths he holds atall, it becomes tedious.

Do you also find it laughable how you take the opposite stance and add a little? Its ok, dont often read his post, its too shallow tbh. :lol: Find another shallow post anytime recently, have fun.

The people with real and obvious bias are people like you with their heads stuck in the sand. You ignore legitimate criticisms and just pipe in with s**** waffle and no substance. Exactly. Hilarious crock of s*** that post. I was a staunch supporter of Pardew and I'm not at the point where I want him sacked, but f*** me, some people need to start opening their eyes. Legitimate criticisms based on very little but your imaginations & what you think is happening, all of which can and has been argued with. Ive spent quite a while in the past posting a lot of arguments, 20 pages later its all forgotten and you lot start posting the same crap that was argued with earlier in the thread.

Cabayes been crap. The reasons for explaining that depend on your bias for or against Pardew and little reasoning beyond that. All these things can easily be argued both ways, just like the way the Arsenal game went. No one has any idea what actually went down in terms of our play, its all a load of bollocks. I find it laughable that some* people think they can argue against our current manager with such a sense of conviction in what they post

Its definately a tactic from Pards to Krul. Debatable whether it is for the defence though, id expect Colo to hoof it aswell if it was which he doesnt often. Unless Pards specifically says he can try more with it but gives less freedom to Willi/Simps etc. Thats understandable though aswell really. Cant actually remember Santon booting it much either apart from when hes under a lot of pressure & just clearing it quickly.

Outside of Colo, do you guys really trust any of our defense to make incisive passes to other players though?

Before today we'd played 24 games with 2 fit Cb's & only conceded more than one goal 6 times. Take away pens/Deflected goals from those 6 times, it was only 3 from 24 (Spurs, Lpool, Fulham) Class record really. Arse needed the last min to add themselves to that now ofc.

Outside of the goal he had a solid game & RVP just took the goal very cleverly by letting it come across him. One of his better games recently.

Our defensive record this season outside of a few games scewing it massively has been class really. Especially considering our defence. If Pards is responsible for that fair play to him, its a clear strength. Perhaps another attacking coach wouldnt go amiss though.

How come Swansea manage to play football against teams like Man City then? Are last season's championship team a bunch of undiscovered international class gems in disguise? Where are Swansea in the league? How much have they spent in comparison? How long have their attacking players played together in comparison to ours?

Looks really sharp going forwards now, a dangerous player for us. Think he'll stay in the side till the end.

Id expect to see Colo hoofing it more if it was a tactic given by Pardew. He rarely does, its normally Williamson/Simpson. It suggests player limitation moreso than a tactic for me.

Second half v Sundeland and first half today we actually played decent football. We did go long when Shola came in but it wasn't helped by our defence being so deep for the majority of the second half and our midfield having no sort of grip on the game with the anonymous Cabaye leaving Tiote with far too much work. We went long a long time before Shola came in, he was sent on because Ba wasn't coping with it. I know it's your position to defend the manager come what may but it's clear that kicking it long as much as possible are his instructions. It's been like that every week since before Christmas. See no logical reason he'd have suggested adopting that tactic after he clearly hadnt suggested they start the game with it & keeping it down was working well. Because he wants to defend, defend, defend all the time whether it be 1-1 at the Emirates or 2-0 up at home against Wolves and kicking it long means the midfield and the back four keep their shape. Canny obvious to me. Dont think either game is a tactical approach from him myself. More about our players mentality & confidence in a game, our defenders especially. Wolves was a big example of that, we sat back right after our goals. The players decided that not him, it was instantaneous. Milan did the same Vs Arsenal.

Second half v Sundeland and first half today we actually played decent football. We did go long when Shola came in but it wasn't helped by our defence being so deep for the majority of the second half and our midfield having no sort of grip on the game with the anonymous Cabaye leaving Tiote with far too much work. We went long a long time before Shola came in, he was sent on because Ba wasn't coping with it. I know it's your position to defend the manager come what may but it's clear that kicking it long as much as possible are his instructions. It's been like that every week since before Christmas. See no logical reason he'd have suggested adopting that tactic after he clearly hadnt suggested they start the game with it & keeping it down was working well.