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Depending on which camp you sit in: We were utterly crap and Pardew is a wanker as is Howard Webb or They had loads of the ball but we looked more threatening, Krull had a mare for their first (and could have done better for their third), we could easily have had 2 penalties, one nailed on (at 0-1) and another could easily have been given. Scorer of their third could/should have been sent off. Sissoko and Cabaye were very poor and Obertan was Obertan - you really can genuinely question why he came on (Oh and HBA has the flu so not involved, Cisse injured in warm up and similarly unavailable). Howard Webb is a wanker.

Alreet, Wullie? Good to have you back, mate. We lost and he's back so he can moan, I would guess he's pretty happy.

Thought we were the more dangerous looking side tbh, bad goal to concede, flapping the ball back into play rarely ends well

Martinez, Rodgers, Pellegrini, Laudrup, Pochettino, and Moyes would all achieve better results with better football than Pardew. I bet if you'd done that list at the start of the season you'd have had Jol in it

Aye and there's a miss-spelling in his twitter name: "If you follow me on Twitter (@MoranGShore)" There's an "a" where there should be another "o"

I said it was their first priority, it will be.

I absolutely do. Safety first. That's why there's so many sackings all the time. Given most Chairman these days are owners, they're the one's who'll get hit hard in the pocket so I bet they all want safety first. The Jack Walker philanthropic type ownership is all but long gone, except for those where the obscene amount of money needed to help guarantee high finishes is like pocket change. So, you say outside the "top 5", no one really cares about anything other than survival. Please tell me which two of these teams has survival as their main aim: Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton, Tottenham. Thank you. I never said that's all they care about, I said I bet it's first priority and maybe I should have said 5/6 FFS, Oh and I reckon Kenwright's first concern is getting to 40 points btw. It's a bloody daft thing to say, because you can't hope to challenge for CL/EL without getting to 40 points (cups excluded). Somewhat doubt Spurs would have spent £90m in the summer if their first concern was just staying in the league, and Everton could have got a lot cheaper manager and not spent as much as they did if they weren't concerned with challenging for top spots. Ok I was wrong, all the clubs just like the mega rich one's are thinking, as their number one priority for a season, "right how we going to win that title then", which is what you are saying isn't it. Dear me, it's pretty clear that that's not at all what I was saying. It's as clear as what you tried to change my point to be

I absolutely do. Safety first. That's why there's so many sackings all the time. Given most Chairman these days are owners, they're the one's who'll get hit hard in the pocket so I bet they all want safety first. The Jack Walker philanthropic type ownership is all but long gone, except for those where the obscene amount of money needed to help guarantee high finishes is like pocket change. So, you say outside the "top 5", no one really cares about anything other than survival. Please tell me which two of these teams has survival as their main aim: Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton, Tottenham. Thank you. I never said that's all they care about, I said I bet it's first priority and maybe I should have said 5/6 FFS, Oh and I reckon Kenwright's first concern is getting to 40 points btw. It's a bloody daft thing to say, because you can't hope to challenge for CL/EL without getting to 40 points (cups excluded). Somewhat doubt Spurs would have spent £90m in the summer if their first concern was just staying in the league, and Everton could have got a lot cheaper manager and not spent as much as they did if they weren't concerned with challenging for top spots. Ok I was wrong, all the clubs just like the mega rich one's are thinking, as their number one priority for a season, "right how we going to win that title then", which is what you are saying isn't it.

The bit in bold is absolute bollocks by the way. Is it? They've said they don't want to be in the Europa League. They've said they don't prioritise the domestic cups. Pardew has played down Champions League aspirations so that whilst it's an alleged 'goal', it's not exactly a priority. The bolded part is 100% correct. It's all Ashley's bothered about. In the cold light of day, it's all any club (outside the top 4/5) have as their first priority, anything else is icing on the cake, secure that first, as absolutely paramount, then see what happens. Our lot happened to put it into words, but doesn't make it any less true for them all though. Don't agree at all, tbh. I highly doubt Ashley's mindset is one that is reflected in every single Premier League boardroom. The top 4/5 remark is even more irrelevant now, given how open the league is this season. So, at the start of the season do you think anyone but the top 4/5 were expecting it to be so open and didn't have getting to 40 points asap as their numero uno priority thus being safe ?? I suppose everyone prioritises Premier League survival in the same way that when humans are born, we intend to live until the next day and so on. I suppose it's numero uno priority in that sense. The absolute bare minimum. But Ashley has no substantial interest in anything beyond that, and that's what disappoints me. And I don't think there are many others in the league that have that thoroughly 'anti-sport' attitude, regardless of what backgrounds they come from. You have no proof of that. Equally neither do I have any proof of the contrary. But based upon his business track record he'll want one hell of a lot more than average, but he'll do it his way. People like him don't do second best (I've worked closely with/for a few in my time and they weren't anything like the scale of Ashley, they were "only" worth tens of millions, they were frighteningly driven/ruthless enough for me though, but I bet they were like kittens compared to this f***er) they'll do it their way and everyone be damned and they play a VERY long game. Absolutely I accept I could be totally wrong, but as ever, only time will tell but he'd be going against every instinct in his make up to be happy with so-so or bare minimum in my opinion. Who's interests does this ultimately benefit though his own interests or NUFC's success. His own brand has gained free advertising through the guise of 'showcasing'. Are their interests one and the same? It will always be in his own interest, but he, as an extremely successful person, is tagged to us and I would reckon us failing/being shit would not be in his interest/make up.

I absolutely do. Safety first. That's why there's so many sackings all the time. Given most Chairman these days are owners, they're the one's who'll get hit hard in the pocket so I bet they all want safety first. The Jack Walker philanthropic type ownership is all but long gone, except for those where the obscene amount of money needed to help guarantee high finishes is like pocket change. So, you say outside the "top 5", no one really cares about anything other than survival. Please tell me which two of these teams has survival as their main aim: Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton, Tottenham. Thank you. I never said that's all they care about, I said I bet it's first priority and maybe I should have said 5/6 FFS, Oh and I reckon Kenwright's first concern is getting to 40 points btw.

The bit in bold is absolute bollocks by the way. Is it? They've said they don't want to be in the Europa League. They've said they don't prioritise the domestic cups. Pardew has played down Champions League aspirations so that whilst it's an alleged 'goal', it's not exactly a priority. The bolded part is 100% correct. It's all Ashley's bothered about. In the cold light of day, it's all any club (outside the top 4/5) have as their first priority, anything else is icing on the cake, secure that first, as absolutely paramount, then see what happens. Our lot happened to put it into words, but doesn't make it any less true for them all though. Don't agree at all, tbh. I highly doubt Ashley's mindset is one that is reflected in every single Premier League boardroom. The top 4/5 remark is even more irrelevant now, given how open the league is this season. So, at the start of the season do you think anyone but the top 4/5 were expecting it to be so open and didn't have getting to 40 points asap as their numero uno priority thus being safe ?? I suppose everyone prioritises Premier League survival in the same way that when humans are born, we intend to live until the next day and so on. I suppose it's numero uno priority in that sense. The absolute bare minimum. But Ashley has no substantial interest in anything beyond that, and that's what disappoints me. And I don't think there are many others in the league that have that thoroughly 'anti-sport' attitude, regardless of what backgrounds they come from. You have no proof of that. Equally neither do I have any proof of the contrary. But based upon his business track record he'll want one hell of a lot more than average, but he'll do it his way. People like him don't do second best (I've worked closely with/for a few in my time and they weren't anything like the scale of Ashley, they were "only" worth tens of millions, they were frighteningly driven/ruthless enough for me though, but I bet they were like kittens compared to this fucker) they'll do it their way and everyone be damned and they play a VERY long game. Absolutely I accept I could be totally wrong, but as ever, only time will tell but he'd be going against every instinct in his make up to be happy with so-so or bare minimum in my opinion.

I absolutely do. Safety first. That's why there's so many sackings all the time. Given most Chairman these days are owners, they're the one's who'll get hit hard in the pocket so I bet they all want safety first. The Jack Walker philanthropic type ownership is all but long gone, except for those where the obscene amount of money needed to help guarantee high finishes is like pocket change.

You not spoke to anyone p*ssed off about the away ticket situation? Being forced to pay for a membership or to move from their seats? None of the above is "shafting" tbh Not many of those I know go away (in fact only about 5% of match-going fans do) the seat move stuff has happened before, membership cost is more than covered by lower prices at home for those games, taking your seat away would be shafting, moving you isn't. You may not like it but you still get in. So it literally has to be an example of Ashley anally raping a fan? I didn't expect you to be silly tbh. Shafting (in the non-sexual sense) = defrauding, he doesn't/hasn't done that (no more than football fans are ripped off anywhere else). He's upset a few, granted, but they ain't been shafted. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1NmZHIIap6w/Uh88q__azzI/AAAAAAAADcs/sRk49z1l9q0/s1600/inconceivable.jpg vulgar slang (of a man) have sexual intercourse with (a woman). informal treat (someone) harshly or unfairly. "I suppose she'll get a lawyer and I'll be shafted" Pedantry games are boring, but urban dictionary would say: Ripped off, cheated, treated most unfairly by people. Anyway my interpretation of the phrase would be slanted towards the Ripped off/cheated part, which is the context in which I would personally use aforesaid "shafted". If others would use it in relation to being slightly miffed, fine, I just don't happen to

The bit in bold is absolute bollocks by the way. Is it? They've said they don't want to be in the Europa League. They've said they don't prioritise the domestic cups. Pardew has played down Champions League aspirations so that whilst it's an alleged 'goal', it's not exactly a priority. The bolded part is 100% correct. It's all Ashley's bothered about. In the cold light of day, it's all any club (outside the top 4/5) have as their first priority, anything else is icing on the cake, secure that first, as absolutely paramount, then see what happens. Our lot happened to put it into words, but doesn't make it any less true for them all though. Don't agree at all, tbh. I highly doubt Ashley's mindset is one that is reflected in every single Premier League boardroom. The top 4/5 remark is even more irrelevant now, given how open the league is this season. So, at the start of the season do you think anyone but the top 4/5 were expecting it to be so open and didn't have getting to 40 points asap as their numero uno priority thus being safe ??

The bit in bold is absolute bollocks by the way. Is it? They've said they don't want to be in the Europa League. They've said they don't prioritise the domestic cups. Pardew has played down Champions League aspirations so that whilst it's an alleged 'goal', it's not exactly a priority. The bolded part is 100% correct. It's all Ashley's bothered about. In the cold light of day, it's all any club (outside the top 4/5) have as their first priority, anything else is icing on the cake, secure that first, as absolutely paramount, then see what happens. Our lot happened to put it into words, but doesn't make it any less true for them all though.

No-one is saying Ashley isn't a monstrous twat, but he's a successful one, if that success rubs off/is transmitted onto the field no-one will (or shouldn't) give a shit about all that though. He's a monstrous piece of shit, get used to it, he's NOT going to change, the angst is a waste of effort/emotion.

You not spoke to anyone p*ssed off about the away ticket situation? Being forced to pay for a membership or to move from their seats? None of the above is "shafting" tbh Not many of those I know go away (in fact only about 5% of match-going fans do) the seat move stuff has happened before, membership cost is more than covered by lower prices at home for those games, taking your seat away would be shafting, moving you isn't. You may not like it but you still get in. So it literally has to be an example of Ashley anally raping a fan? I didn't expect you to be silly tbh. Shafting (in the non-sexual sense) = defrauding, he doesn't/hasn't done that (no more than football fans are ripped off anywhere else). He's upset a few, granted, but they ain't been shafted.

You not spoke to anyone p*ssed off about the away ticket situation? Being forced to pay for a membership or to move from their seats? None of the above is "shafting" tbh Not many of those I know go away (in fact only about 5% of match-going fans do) the seat move stuff has happened before, membership cost is more than covered by lower prices at home for those games, taking your seat away would be shafting, moving you isn't. You may not like it but you still get in.

I think we are tbh. Now that said, we're not doing it by throwing the owners cash at it (he just won't) but we are a big club and our means (even if only marginally exploited) are better than most but it will be a long process. There isn't a magic bullet solution, Spurs just spent £90 Million and they're below us, now they may very well end up above us but they f***ing should do given the spend. As for the regime, couldn't care less who owns us or what they do/say, so long as we get better on the pitch and this season we are appearing to do just that. The current league table would suggest our "average" manager, which he is along with most others, is doing OK (or above average) enjoy it while it lasts. It could be a step in the right direction (the first of many hopefully) or it could be another peak before a trough, there's no scientific formula for "success". 'appearing just to do that'? Our ownership have time and again shafted the fans. I agree its improving but's that's some pretty short term retrospect based on four admittedly brilliant results. I would disagree on the bold bit, unless of course some of the lowest ticket prices in the division is "shafting the fans" and to be honest ticket price is in reality the ONLY real shafting opportunity (apart from replica kit but they all play that game) all else is hot air. No fans I associate with (who also don't frequent message boards btw) feel shafted tbh. thoroughly perplexed at times, oh aye definitely. On the short termism, as I said above hopefully it's a sign of steps in the right direction, it may not be, but here's hoping eh ? At the end of the day - all we can do is hope. Yep

If we won the league Ashley would still be a prick and i'd want rid of him. Respect for fans, tradition, players, the game, professionalism, the opposition......just any respect for anything really is sorely missing at the top of our club. Just win baby (as Al Davis was prone to saying) it's all that matters. If you hanker after respect and tradition in todays "game" you'll be hugely disappointed methinks. That's a today's football thing not an Ashley specific preserve. It could be nicer definitely but it's not all important (to me anyway). I hate the modern game and what it's become WAY more than Ashley but am resigned to it. Ashley is undoubtedly a prick (or worse tbh) BUT most successful types like him are, if his success rubs off (no matter how nefariously arrived at) he can stay forever for me (and I would guess most others if that ever happened) success is a great leveller.

I think we are tbh. Now that said, we're not doing it by throwing the owners cash at it (he just won't) but we are a big club and our means (even if only marginally exploited) are better than most but it will be a long process. There isn't a magic bullet solution, Spurs just spent £90 Million and they're below us, now they may very well end up above us but they f***ing should do given the spend. As for the regime, couldn't care less who owns us or what they do/say, so long as we get better on the pitch and this season we are appearing to do just that. The current league table would suggest our "average" manager, which he is along with most others, is doing OK (or above average) enjoy it while it lasts. It could be a step in the right direction (the first of many hopefully) or it could be another peak before a trough, there's no scientific formula for "success". 'appearing just to do that'? Our ownership have time and again shafted the fans. I agree its improving but's that's some pretty short term retrospect based on four admittedly brilliant results. I would disagree on the bold bit, unless of course some of the lowest ticket prices in the division is "shafting the fans" and to be honest ticket price is in reality the ONLY real shafting opportunity (apart from replica kit but they all play that game) all else is hot air. No fans I associate with (who also don't frequent message boards btw) feel shafted tbh. thoroughly perplexed at times, oh aye definitely. On the short termism, as I said above hopefully it's a sign of steps in the right direction, it may not be, but here's hoping eh ?

I think we are tbh. Now that said, we're not doing it by throwing the owners cash at it (he just won't) but we are a big club and our means (even if only marginally exploited) are better than most but it will be a long process. There isn't a magic bullet solution, Spurs just spent £90 Million and they're below us, now they may very well end up above us but they fucking should do given the spend. As for the regime, couldn't care less who owns us or what they do/say, so long as we get better on the pitch and this season we are appearing to do just that. The current league table would suggest our "average" manager, which he is along with most others, is doing OK (or above average) enjoy it while it lasts. It could be a step in the right direction (the first of many hopefully) or it could be another peak before a trough, there's no scientific formula for "success".

He's right, there's "we should be winning games far more comfortably than we are" and such, all over this thread, which is inherently unrealistic IMO. If we win that should be enough, there are no easy games in this league. I'd love to be relaxed at 3 or 4 nil up with 20 minutes to go, but it just doesn't happen, look at man City, romp every game at home, utterly different away from home, their fans, based on the home performances, could validly hold that opinion, maybe. Bottom line for me is, Pardew is average, but then again I believe all but the elite few managers are much of a much-ness and "average" that's why they get recycled all the time club to club. I would also add that the elite managers tend to have the very best players at their disposal, without that how average would they themselves be ? Having been in the "stick with him" camp because I've never seen the management merry go round work, least of all here, I was in the "he must get fired camp" after Sunlun and Liverpool last season, even a non-league team at home to those two shouldn't have lost 0-9 over two games. BUT they stuck with him and this season I have few complaints, maybe he's grown or is growing into the job because he's had that time. Maybe it'll all crash and burn, I will just enjoy the wins when they happen tbh.

I think Rooney will get it. This, despite the fact he should have been sent off and missed a game (or three)

What like Olson not getting sent off and Cisse's disallowed goal against Norwich, Aye your soooo right