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Rubbish. It was a bit fickle, but at least the team used to fight on the pitch, the club used to at least try to go places, going all out in Europe, making the Champions League, going out at the start of a season with the intention of challenging for the title - half of that was only 10 years ago. We've just become a big ball of apathetic nonsense in the last few seasons. Ashley and his cronies have squeezed every last ounce of passion and excitement out of Newcastle United, and people just shrug their shoulders and say "ah well." The protests under Shepherd were embarrassing but at least we showed we f***ing cared then. Aye but I go waaaaay back further than any of that and like I said, it's been an occassional year or two of relative success in an ocean of unrelenting MEH! Nowt to do with "passion being squeezed out" by anyone, by and large we've been "average" at best, since the 50's. Team does well = passion abounds, team does shit = passionless.

Become ?? Apart from a year or two here and there, it's always been like this. Sadly, Pardews position is untenable now I reckon. I can't see them getting rid until end of the season though. (and I say "sadly" because, if we weren't whingeing over the manager it would mean the club was doing alright, which is all that matters).

Without about 5 times the cash: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That's got better not worse, since January there are 14 Prem teams who play the long ball, on average per game, more than us.

Exactly, every time the goal-line technology debate comes up I raise this argument. The goal line is the least of our worries. True. I think there should be video review for every big decision, so goals/red cards/penalties. I agree to a certain extent, but was discussing this the other day in relation to how far you take it. Do you review every single offside decision given or just ones that lead to a goal being allowed/disallowed? Do you review every single phase of play before a goal? Say, for example, the ball is played over the top and Cisse would be one on one with the keeper, but Cisse is incorrectly flagged offside - do you review that kind of decision? If you do review it and realise that Cisse wasn't offside, how do you rectify it? You can't recreate the exact scenario.. Dead simple. A team gets two reviews a game. (like in cricket) If you get it right you keep the review. If you get it wrong you lose it and you only have one review left. Or indeed you only get one review a game at the start so there's more chance you use it wisely. If going down the review route I'd allow 3 max, if you use one and it's wrong you lose one of your sub options, if you've used all your subs, tough no reviews left. Not perfect by any stretch but it'd make managers think twice about a stupid/frivolous review.

Exactly, every time the goal-line technology debate comes up I raise this argument. The goal line is the least of our worries. True. I think there should be video review for every big decision, so goals/red cards/penalties. I agree to a certain extent, but was discussing this the other day in relation to how far you take it. Do you review every single offside decision given or just ones that lead to a goal being allowed/disallowed? Do you review every single phase of play before a goal? Say, for example, the ball is played over the top and Cisse would be one on one with the keeper, but Cisse is incorrectly flagged offside - do you review that kind of decision? If you do review it and realise that Cisse wasn't offside, how do you rectify it? You can't recreate the exact scenario.. pretty simple for me, linesmen and refs would be much more inclined to give the advantage to the attacker and let things go...defences would adapt to always playing to the whistle while the ball is in the back of the net video ref reviews and if offside cancels the goal and gives a free kick take that to the nth degree though and they might end up removed entirely from the decision and everyone just plays every decision pending review dunno I think the stuff that is game changing, like goals which are fundamental game changers and potentially red cards should be reviewed. I also think run of the mill stuff like free kicks you don't review (even though players con the ref all the time, sad but it aint going away) and as a team you still have the chance to defend a free kick, you can't recover from conceding an illegal goal quite so readily.

Exactly, every time the goal-line technology debate comes up I raise this argument. The goal line is the least of our worries. True. I think there should be video review for every big decision, so goals/red cards/penalties. I agree to a certain extent, but was discussing this the other day in relation to how far you take it. Do you review every single offside decision given or just ones that lead to a goal being allowed/disallowed? Do you review every single phase of play before a goal? Say, for example, the ball is played over the top and Cisse would be one on one with the keeper, but Cisse is incorrectly flagged offside - do you review that kind of decision? If you do review it and realise that Cisse wasn't offside, how do you rectify it? You can't recreate the exact scenario.. Radical I know but I am of a mind to never stop the game for offside, if a goal results it'd get turned over on the review, if it doesn't result in a goal no big deal and the game flows on. I mentioned this on another forum and was derided along the lines of, but what if the offside players attack resulted in a corner and they scored from that, there'd be hell on. Well REALLY, would there be hell on ??, we accept goals that are offside without hell on, chances of the corner/goal are MUCH more remote than the already often goal/no goal ruled wrongly (or even attacks wrongly stopped).

Exactly, every time the goal-line technology debate comes up I raise this argument. The goal line is the least of our worries. True. I think there should be video review for every big decision, so goals/red cards/penalties. I mention stuff like that all the time, the technology's there, use it IMO. All I get back is the "it'll kill the flow of the game" etc. The fact that folks, spouting this, spectacularly miss is that the ball's only in play for about 40 minutes of the 90 (if you're lucky) as it stands.

The fact that fans seem to accept, with barely a shrug, goals that are given/disallowed when wrongly onside/offside, it's just "ho hum, one of them things" even when it's not even close and an obvious howler. It's not "one of them things" it's a VERY big deal IMO but there's no groundswell of opinion to change it, or look at it. If ever there was a candidate for "technology" that should be it. How about just review every goal, it's natural break in play and would take seconds.

The joys of supporting NUFC, never happy unless we're miserable !! He's not going anywhere in the short term, get used to it.

There's no "football people" on any (or very few) fan forum(s), what makes a forum's flim flam any better

right, have s*** players get s*** teams currently we have good playrers got s*** team do the math We at times had good players and were s***, we really are NOT that s*** and we rarely have had all our good players on the park - like yesterday, 50% of them missing. No point aruguing tbh, time will tell if one of us is "right", in fact I don't care about being right, I just want the club to do well and from where I'm sat, with everything that's gone before, I'm prepared to be patient.

Give me a name, who's the realistic and sure fire upgrade on Pardew P.S. No I don't, I just want "balance" not the apparently rampant "I want it NOW or I'll thcweam and thcweam until I'm sick" bollocks that follows EVERY loss, no matter what the circumstances. i've been very consistent in my opinion of pardew for a long time thanks, individual defeats don't change that what annoys me consistently is yesterday i could only watch the 2nd half on delay, when the screen flashed up and we were 2-0 down there was no surprise from me, in fact i was surprised it wasn't more by then, that's where we are under pardew mate we couldn't realistically expect anything out of that game yesterday but some fight and pride, did we show enough of either? not for me Give me a name, who's the realistic and sure fire upgrade on Pardew P.S. No I don't, I just want "balance" not the apparently rampant "I want it NOW or I'll thcweam and thcweam until I'm sick" bollocks that follows EVERY loss, no matter what the circumstances. i've been very consistent in my opinion of pardew for a long time thanks, individual defeats don't change that what annoys me consistently is yesterday i could only watch the 2nd half on delay, when the screen flashed up and we were 2-0 down there was no surprise from me, in fact i was surprised it wasn't more by then, that's where we are under pardew mate we couldn't realistically expect anything out of that game yesterday but some fight and pride, did we show enough of either? not for me Your opinion could be right, but I'm prepared to give him more time and see if the manager can grow into the role over time. Trying the S word (stability). The thing is, we are not shit, the latter 70's and the 80's were all but unrelenting shit. Since Keegan, as manager first time, with a brief hiatus with SBR we've been poor for decades, currently we are nowhere near as poor as we have been (in my 40 odd years of watching this shower) though and, as such, I am remarkably "chilled" about the whole thing. Even in our worst performances I've seen sparks of decent football trying to escape, a good move here and there etc. I'm prepared to wait to see if the sparks ignite further. For those who KK's management/team was what they were brought up on/first hooked on (like my sons), those poor fuckers have no chance at "balance".

Give me a name, who's the realistic and sure fire upgrade on Pardew P.S. No I don't, I just want "balance" not the apparently rampant "I want it NOW or I'll thcweam and thcweam until I'm sick" bollocks that follows EVERY loss, no matter what the circumstances.

Blasphemy on Easter Sunday, nice.

incomparable indeed, mon didn't get 5 new players in january iirc also the bit in bold beggars belief OK, so who should we appoint tomorrow then ?? One name, that guarantees we win all our games from here on in (because that what folks on here seem to expect).

You mean like the 2 goals KK scored against us in the FA Cup Final at Wembley in 74....!?? Somehow, everyone forgot about that...... Except us who watched it.

We do have to "do" Fulham (which is usually easier said than done for us). But for the torch and pitchfork brigade, I really don't know how you can "have a go" at the reigning champions when you're missing three of your first choice back four, your first reserve fullback, your first choice keeper (although Elliot's done nowt wrong) your first choice DM and your best "threat" player. That's half a team right there. He's not going anywhere, if next season starts poorly, different ballgame. As for the "it follows the pattern of his career", no-one's stuck with him to see what happens next in "the pattern", we are going to, may as well get used to it. I've said it before, if it was up to this forum,you all would have had Fergie and Moyes sacked in their 3rd years. should sunderland have stuck with mon then? Incomparable situations, MoN's had near as damn-it his full first choice all season and isn't in the quarter finals of a European competition (which take a huge amount of effort/games to get to). We got beat off the Champions (with half our team missing) as expected IMO and we got hosed by the ref at Wigan. We won't go down. If we lose to Fulham and Sunderland, then yes the manager has to be looked at, but I don't think we will. I am not a "save Pardew at any cost" merchant, but I am thoroughly sick and tired of managerial shuffling, it's never worked for us, lets see if sticking with someone does. I see no justification to fire him just now, because I do believe there are exstenuating circumstances (some will call them excuses). I ain't changing my mind on this, we have had decades of manager changing not working for us and turning shit into more and often deeper shit, I'm prepared to stick it out a bit longer.

Keegan cost us the cup under Joe Harvey, most everyone soon learned to love him.

We do have to "do" Fulham (which is usually easier said than done for us). But for the torch and pitchfork brigade, I really don't know how you can "have a go" at the reigning champions when you're missing three of your first choice back four, your first reserve fullback, your first choice keeper (although Elliot's done nowt wrong) your first choice DM and your best "threat" player. That's half a team right there. He's not going anywhere, if next season starts poorly, different ballgame. As for the "it follows the pattern of his career", no-one's stuck with him to see what happens next in "the pattern", we are going to, may as well get used to it. I've said it before, if it was up to this forum,you all would have had Fergie and Moyes sacked in their 3rd years.

Well, we gave Man Utd one of the best games, that I can recall, we've ever given them down there, we gave Arsenal all they could handle until we ran out of gas around 70 mins (they being totally rested) and we drew at Liverpool where we unrelentingly usually get beaten. Apart from that, your right.

I don't even know what you are arguing about to be honest... Anyway, for me Sir John Hall should be regarded as a legend around these parts for what he did for the club. People complain about the money he earned from the club yet I didn't hear anyone complain about Shearer's wages or how much Colo cost us and rightly so because these players gave/give a great deal back and were worth every penny they cost. Its the likes of Freddy Shepherd and Douglas Hall who were the real leeches, who benefited massively financially without ever really contributing much, not to justify what they earned from the club anyway. Sir John Hall took a huge gamble when he decided to buy up all those shares, spending several million of his own money at that time, money his advisers and accountants were telling him he was basically throwing away and how mad he was to buy such a shitty run down nothing football club. He saw something in the club though that no-one else did at that time. We should all be grateful the man got involved with the club and regard him as a hero at worst, because we would not be what we are today without his involvement. Forget KK, forget the entertainers, Feyenoord away, 5-0 against Man Utd, our wonderful stadium. Forget the lot. Its sad how in the modern game people like Mario f***ing Balotelli and Joey f***ing Barton are considered heroes or legends and the likes of Sir John Hall a leech or KK a quitter, men who give to their clubs everything they had to offer. It is even more sickening when NUFC fans look at men like SJH and KK with disdain or suspicion. A gamble would indicate risk, he took no personal risk - ever. He never invested a penny of his own money except to excercise share options at prices that were less than (as share options often are) the shares were worth at the time, i.e. printing money. Cameron Hall Ltd bought NUFC for SJH to run, then that loan was put straight onto the club = the club bought NUFC for SJH. Don't get me wrong, I realise what SJH did for the club, but a man who REALLY should get a lot of the credit for making NUFC what it was, is Freddie Fletcher, who sadly, rarely gets a mention these days. BTW NUFC goes back way before SJH and KK for some of us, they didn't start it, and whilst deserving credit for elevating our status in the game (luckily when the game really took off) they certainly shouldn't be looked upon as "founding fathers". Indeed, there's a rather large bit of me that's never forgiven KK for 1974. Poeple come and go from football clubs and some leave a legacy, SJH and KK are just two more of them and in KK's case he profoundly damaged his legacy (for me) when he bailed and took the club to court trying for a ridiculous sum. Joe Harvey, a man who gave virtually his whole life to the club (and actually won stuff as a player and manager) is a bigger legend, in my eyes, than either.

He did indeed 'take out' lots, which I acknowledge. Unlike many though I don't begrudge the man making millions from something he actually helped become so profitable in the first place. He oversaw a company that was 4m in debt one year to turning over 40m 3 years later. In any walk of business life he would be rewarded massively for such performances. People forget or simply are unaware, he pumped in probably over 5m of his own personal wealth in buying shares to take full control of the club. Back in 91/92 that was a lot of money and a huge slice of his own personal wealth. We were in no way shape of form in a worse financial state when he left then when he took over btw, to suggest so is absolutely ludicrous. When SJH left we were in the top world 15 for turnover, with a world-class stadium. We were at rock bottom before he took over, on and off the field. People don't appreciate just how close we were to going under. We were generating 2m a year turnover but the running costs of the club with debt etc. was twice that. We had several youngsters in Clark and Watson who were considered potential stars and therefore worth a few bob potentially but without Sir John Hall's initial investment we would have been in the s***. We wouldn't have ceased to exist because like I said, if there are fans willing to support a club there will always be a club, but we would not have been in a good position. He said himself he put money in to both save the club and for investment purposes and he never hid from that nor lied about his intentions. The fact he offered the club to fans showed that he was not just in it for the money or for egotistical reasons. This doing a Leeds thing is f***ing nonsense too. Even under the height of FS' mismanagement, we were never in any danger of doing a Leeds. Don't be fooled by the early Ashley propaganda. FS in his appointment of Allardyce knew we had to reign it in, and that was his intentions and where we were headed. Only now are we back to square one if you like, a relegation and several f*** ups later. That post and your other one above are so inaccurate it's untrue, he nor Shepherd ever put a penny of their own money in except to exercise discounted share options, which was like printing cash. And when exactly was NUFC profitable in the SJH/FS years, once I think it was. Oh I accept they made the club into something special in the eyes of the wider world, but to suggest it wasn't primarily for personal gain, either financial or in terms of ego, is preposterous Your dismissal of the Doing a Leeds situation is equally ridiculous, with or without the banking crash we didn't have a pot to piss in.

I dunno, enlighten us ? Llambias just said on the radio that they're fiddled, that's what I'm referring to. Ah ok

I dunno, enlighten us ? In the big picture were in great shape, we've done our slash and burn cost cutting and all but the mega rich clubs (who don't need to) have yet to do theirs, and an awful lot of clubs will need to, even with the new TV money.