Toonpack

I dunno, enlighten us ? Llambias just said on the radio that they're fiddled, that's what I'm referring to. Ah ok

I dunno, enlighten us ? In the big picture were in great shape, we've done our slash and burn cost cutting and all but the mega rich clubs (who don't need to) have yet to do theirs, and an awful lot of clubs will need to, even with the new TV money.

I cannot understand this mindset that somehow the accounts of Ashley the man and his 100% owned business are somehow on a seperate footing. They are all part of the same empire. If fans think we have some kind or 'moral minority stake' in NUFC then Ashley will be delighted, it means supporters will be more willing to part with their cash and give him a much better chance of making a few quid in the long run. If he's loaned the club £100m on a totally arms-length basis (which it isnt here) and it gets paid back then the club's equity is worth another £100m so when he comes to sell, that's when he makes his cash. It means exactly the same to the club's financial position as well, because the owner and the creditor are the same party. What is he going to do? Write a letter to himself demanding repayment? If you were analysing this as a takeover target, you would simply ignore the shareholder loan altogether when valuing it, on the basis it would be extinguished on sale. Really don't see your problem with this tbh. Let's say: He buys club for £100 Mill, over time has lent it another £100 Mill, his selling price is going to be £200 Mill + so he doesn't take a hit. If in the above scenario the club reduces the loans, his exposure similarly reduces and so does the price he'd likely sell it for. It's moot anyway, outside of someone offering him ridiculous cash he's going nowhere anytime soon.

As I remember, Sir John Hall bought his shares for £8 million. He put no other money into the club until Keegan was manager & threatened to quit unless we bought a player. Sir John Hall then borrowed £1 million from his wife to fund the transfer. So £9 million into the club, only £1 million of which went towards the actual running of the club in any way. In the meantime, he floated the club to offload a few shares and repay debts and fund the rebuilding of the stadium (rebuilt by Cameron Hall Developments, so we paid him there too) and after paying dividends for a few years even whilst making huge losses, they lastly sold their shares to Ashley and cashed in yet again. The Halls helped the club immensely but they also made out like bandits from their tenure. It wasn't quite like that, it was a leveraged buyout just like Man U (but much smaller) with a loan from Cameron Hall which was repayable (with interest) by the club. Not a penny of his own personal cash went into it.

Like Shepherd, Hall never put even a penny of his own money in, between them they took about £50mill out though. They bought the club with funding from Cameron Hall Ltd, and charged interest an all.

It's not in the slightest the same thing, never mind pragmatically. If he'd put in £100 Mill and then took a £10 Million dividend and left the liability as it was he's creaming off the top. If he'd put in the same £100 Mill and took £10 Mill via reducing the liability accordingly, he's not creaming off the top. In both cases he'd "pocket" the £10 Mill but for what it means to the club's financial position it's nowhere near the same. I already said that you absolute b******! Only joking. I noticed soon as I posted, but didn't want to waste my typing

It's not in the slightest the same thing, never mind pragmatically. If he'd put in £100 Mill and then took a £10 Million dividend and left the liability as it was he's creaming off the top. If he'd put in the same £100 Mill and took £10 Mill via reducing the liability accordingly, he's not creaming off the top. In both cases he'd "pocket" the £10 Mill but for what it means to the club's financial position it's nowhere near the same.

Serviceable for what? League 1? Not the premiership. Clueless as ever. He has enough to make an impact at times, should never be a starter but games like the mackems, QPR at home where he turned 1 point into 3 when we didnt look like scoring etc shows he can do something as a player in the PL however limited he is. Plus he clearly has a good influence around the dressing room so why not keep him? Clueless, look who's talking. I'm happy to have him around if he's 4th or 5th choice as I've said earlier, the way ToonPack is talking he wants him as backup directly for Cisse. A 2nd choice striker for us should have a better record than 6 goals in last 2 seasons. It puts extra pressure on Cisse to score and scoring goals has been a problem for us last few seasons imo, not enough people contributing. Please quote where I said that, or is it a lie, or just your incomprehension of the written word ? You've said he's better than Graham. Graham would be 2nd choice striker immediately if he came here. Please quote where I said Shola should be our ongoing and primary back up to Cisse.

If we kept Shola (as depth) and bought a striker who can actually make an impact on games it'd be even better.

Provide a link to that "fact" please ?

Serviceable for what? League 1? Not the premiership. Clueless as ever. He has enough to make an impact at times, should never be a starter but games like the mackems, QPR at home where he turned 1 point into 3 when we didnt look like scoring etc shows he can do something as a player in the PL however limited he is. Plus he clearly has a good influence around the dressing room so why not keep him? Clueless, look who's talking. I'm happy to have him around if he's 4th or 5th choice as I've said earlier, the way ToonPack is talking he wants him as backup directly for Cisse. A 2nd choice striker for us should have a better record than 6 goals in last 2 seasons. It puts extra pressure on Cisse to score and scoring goals has been a problem for us last few seasons imo, not enough people contributing. Please quote where I said that, or is it a lie, or just your incomprehension of the written word ?

Serviceable for what? League 1? Not the premiership. Of course he's servicable, not as a starter but he provides perfectly decent depth and his record proves it. He's happy to be "depth" (which shouldn't be underestimated) is evidently a good influence in the dressing room. Seriously what's not to like. It's not like they'll be getting shot of Cisse because of this and Shola is to be our featured striker FFS I'd rather have Shola than £5 Million man Danny Graham any day of any week. Danny Graham is a better footballer than Ameobi. Never in a million years, Shola has a core of great skill/technique and has been fucked by a dodgy hip, never reached his full potential sadly, but eminently serviceable. How many European goals has Mr Graham got

Serviceable for what? League 1? Not the premiership. Of course he's servicable, not as a starter but he provides perfectly decent depth and his record proves it. He's happy to be "depth" (which shouldn't be underestimated) is evidently a good influence in the dressing room. Seriously what's not to like. It's not like they'll be getting shot of Cisse because of this and Shola is to be our featured striker FFS I'd rather have Shola than £5 Million man Danny Graham any day of any week.

Whinge about lack of depth and whinge about a perfectly serviceable depth player being retained, bizarre IMO

I think all the evidence shows that is the case, top dollar or piss off appears to be the motto.

The game has got away from ref's it's just too quick. Any bad injury the ref should have the option to ask to see it, no disruption to the game whilst a players getting treated, all goals should also be reviewed which is another natural break in the game. It's just not physically possible for them to keep up with play. More and more games (two yesterday) are gettiing results changed due to wrong decisions and it's stuff that's not even close most of the time. This is the top end of the game we're talking about, the technology is there, it'd take seconds, it needs to change, it's getting beyond "ah well, what goes around comes around and it evens out over a season" there are real games results being changed wrongly.

There's a really simple answer, any player who injures another in a bad challenge should be banned for as long as the injured player is out.

thank you for the rose, but you seem to be very ugly for me, and i'm straight... I like the cut of this Filho da Puta's jib

He's been poor this season, compared to last, and certainly no better than Elliot has been, Elliot deserves to retain his place based on performance.

Good news, but he shouldn't walk straight back in IMO, Elliot's done nowt wrong, quite the opposite really.

I'll take this being as good as it get's for the next several years if results stay the same, thank you very much. We play some really good stuff at times, way better than some of the real shit I've been privileged to watch over the years. We beat an exceptionally good side over two games, I really don't get the negativity at all.

May 69 Liverpool 1-1 Wyn Davies

We've been getting key players back plus what initially appear to be cracking additions, they're playing with their full deck with no big injuries to speak of, sadly I still think they already have enough cushion to scrape through though.

T'is true, that said their goal difference is currently worth another point, if they get mullered off someone though, all bets are off. Think they'll be OK though.

Whilst stressfull/annoying (to the watchers) I reckon the belief that gives to players is likely signficant. Every cloud and all that.