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Yeah. I give it about a 1% chance she would've punched herself in the tit so hard she needed corrective surgery instead of giving herself a blackeye or something a little more normal, hence the 99% sure he's guilty if the medical records back it up. The medical records are also likely to be able to tell how the injury was caused and if it was consistent with her claim.

I'm not saying he should instantly get sent to jail or get his contract cancelled but when we're talking about a public figure with strong accusations against them then a view has to be taken. My view of it boils down pretty simply to if there is medical records of the injuries she claims I'm 99% sure he's guilty, if there's no medical records then I'm 99% sure he's innocent. But, she has gone through the proper channels and not just directly posting everything on social media. This in combination with the fact every single article I've read says she's had medical treatment for the headbutt and the punch in the tit has me at 80-90% chance that there probably is evidence from the medical records and shouldn't be playing.

Ingrid's accusations concern me less, I've already stated I wouldn't be surprised if she was jumping on the bandwagon and her claims pale in comparison to Gabi's. I don't say it's hearsay, the law does, and it means that we can completely discount what Ingrid says about Gabi because it would not be admissible evidence in court. I agree that on the other instances he shouldn't be tried in the court of public opinion but you don't have corrective surgery without records. She initially went to the police before going public who very likely would've told her not to make that kind of thing public to avoid hindering the investigation. To me, that leaves the burden on Antony to prove his innocence in the Gabi case where he has offered absolutely nothing other than his word, and we know he would've put it in the public domain if he had anything to contest it like he has with the Ingrid situation.

Wasn't that the same person in the phonecall? So it's still only one of the accusers that has any doubt. Based on the evidence and her social media profile, I would say there is a reasonable chance that Ingrid was just jumping on the bandwagon against Antony. But the idea that the press had it out for him and were going around trying to find more dirt on him was not the start of the story, that only happened after Gabi went public, and if you're a tabloid 'journalist' then your instant response is going to be to call ex-girlfriends trying to get a corroborating story which will inevitably require payment. I understand your point to some extent about the other claims. But if there is medical records for Gabi's claims, which the club could very well be privy to, and zero evidence against then I am very much inclined to take the position that he should be nowhere near a pitch until this is resolved. I'm sure you're following the story more closely than I am - can you please provide some links showing evidence of Gabi's lies? As you say Antony is the only one who has told any truth.

Yes. One of the accusers. Being innocent of one crime doesn't make you innocent of all. This phonecall was after Gabi went public, so it's not surprising that tabloids would be calling up ex-girlfriend digging and offering money for a story that would get hits. The worst offences certainly seem to be against Gabi, and there is absolutely nothing on that phonecall which would be admissible evidence in court against her claims. I am admittedly assuming there is medical records of Gabi being treated for the headbutt and prosthetic surgery correction, but that is what the reports have stated and I have no reason to believe otherwise. In my own - and a courts opinion - medical records are a far heavier weight of evidence than a hearsay phonecall involving one of the defendant's entourage.

So the main accuser is clearly already strongly disliked by these 2 so you can probably discount anything they say about her. I only skim read but one of them is basically saying she punched herself in her prosthetic tit? Also no source, could very easily be made up, and very odd to have the conversation recorded in the first place. Presumably the conversation was in Portuguese and translated, which it very confusing how an 'ot' for 'not' typo could occur. If this was a court - pretty much everything in their conversation is hearsay regarding the initial accusations by Gabi and medical records backing up her account would significantly outweigh this conversation even if it were true.

There’s zero evidence in the the public domain, but that’s what you would expect if she went to the police. In all the articles I’ve read they state that the accuser claims that had to have medical treatment after the headbutt and corrective surgery to repair a damaged cosmetic implant. If her medical records back this up - which I’d imagine is very likely considering it’s mentioned in the articles - then I personally would consider that strong evidence.

I think it means they're going to do absolutely fuck all until he's charged.

Semantics on the charges being dropped. The language makes it look like they had to drop the charges because she refused to co-operate. The 'This has drawn on extensive evidence and context not in the public domain' makes me think they would've gone down the 'consensual/non-consensual' role play in court, which would've made conviction impossible. Don't think Man Utd will think we're all stupid enough to believe that in their final statement though.

In all fairness I think that was his first ever Premier League start and it was the away game at the end of last season where he looked quality.

This is the entire reason I back a stop-clock. We need to limit the influence referees have on the game as much as possible. If they want people to stop claiming conspiracy then they're going completely the wrong way about it.

It appears that the higher ups at Fifa believe that it isn't perfectly fine if they're having to change the rules on stoppage time. If the choices are the officials being able to have even more of a say to influence games, or having a more structured game that enforces time and leaves less allowance for favouritism would you really take the former?

Stopping the clock is the only way to stop referee's being influenced by things like a certain classless, unhinged German manager shouting in the faces of officials, and for that reason I'm sure the PL will be 100% against it. They can't favour certain teams without being able to have a level of subjection. I don't see any issues with a stop clock.

I wonder Dutch clubs speak English internally as the natives all speak fluent English and makes it easier for international players to settle in. Could be a reason we're sending players there.

I’d say the people accepting of €25m for him are pretty desperate. There are fair reasons for wanting to move players on but some of the reasons being spouted on here about him wanting to leave himself, our players not liking him etc. are pure speculation and not based on fact. You wouldn’t say people inventing reasons for wanting him out of the door are desperate to leave? At least you managed to make this post without personal insults over the internet though, tough guy.

Absolute nonsense. Just read this thread, plenty of people want him gone.

Simple point is that I wouldn't want Antony in our team. Adding goals but downgrading link up play doesn't guarantee an upgrade.

I'm starting to think that his cryptic posts about 'the haters' during this off season were directed at a section of our fanbase who desperate to get him out of the club.

Also with far better defensive statistics than Barnes.

Antony scored 8 for Man Utd last season and the general consensus is that he's been absolutely shite.

In that scenario it would be saying his true colours were that he wanted to stay at the clubs for the fans and Champions League football after his contribution to the club, almost single-handedly keeping us in league for a couple of year, but eventually accepted that he would move to a league where he can't compete for major honours so we can have a boost to our FFP position. All to his own detriment and to benefit the club. What an absolutely awful person that would make him seem.

Bruno's definitely mentioned he was a good friend at the club. Pretty sure he said he invited him to his wedding too.

Not sure if I’ve missed something but where has the line that he ‘clearly’ wants to leave come from?

Can understand it to some extent due to things like Carroll leaving but I also can't understand how someone can really enjoy football without having any affection or loyalty towards the players you watch week in week out. xA is based on the xG of the shot taker, which is absolutely a statistically solid metric.

Would absolutely hate to sell him. The only glimmer of hope through the steaming pile of shite served up under Bruce and never seemed to openly want away even during that awful period. New manager comes in with a different philosophy, and instead of kicking up a fuss like a lot of flair players would, he clearly is trying his hardest to adapt to a new style, even to the extent that the longest period of him he was out last season was when he was busting his ass to get back to stop a counter. Despite being a player that takes a few games to reach match fitness and having a very disrupted season due to injuries he still had one of the best xA90 in league. Misses 3 league games the season before, 1 disjointed season and now he 'must' be sold. For all the talk of keeping players like Murphy around for loyalty, the lack of respect and loyalty our fans are showing to ASM - to put it politely - frustrates me a little.