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Trouble is that even when presented with the facts, certain people will always dig themselves deeper “but..,but…” and refuse to acknowledge what’s being put in front of them. Frustrating as anything.

Whole different discussion to what’s going on here though.

They’ve spent over a billion £ in the last decade. Most transfers of course will be successes simply due to signing the quality of player for the amount of money- they’re hardly speculating, but they’ve also signed some shit too- Mangala for over £40m? Robinho? Rodwell, Jo, Bony?

Yeah, but the whole discussion here stemmed from the Man City fan asking for evidence of them being ‘bent’ and denying that they are. No one has denied their club stature.

No one is belittling them. I like them as a club and admire the way they play. But to say they have done nothing wrong is just bullshit, and that’s what we’re discussing, not the club stature.

They spent massively due to no ffp, then when at the top of the league, ffp was implemented to stop the likes of us competing with them. By the time ffp came in, they had won the league and were talked about as one of the ‘Big 6’. it’s nothing like Stifler says about them having ffp forced upon them and having to fight against it. They were as complicit in it all as the other ‘top 5’ clubs, in bringing up the drawbridge.

They bought Robinho for £40m, Dzeko for £35m and Aguero for £38m all before ffp was implemented. They spent a shitload and the season they won the league in 11/12, ffp coincidentally began. If you think they weren’t complicit in that, didn’t agree to it, and it was purely down to the likes of Man Utd etc, you’re sadly deluded. They’d already got to the top at that point. The ESL argument is beside the point- ffp is the main bugbear here and you brought the ESL up. They WERE members, like it or not. edit- for comparison, we had wait until 19/20 for us to spend anywhere near those figures on a transfer, over TEN YEARS after Robinho.

Many congrats to Murphy…now get back to work (hope he doesn’t suffer post-baby like Bruno seemingly did!)

Clear lack of leadership on the pitch, yet their appointed captain Fernandes is the biggest whinging cunt going and hardly a role model for others.

Not to mention ffp was first implemented in 2011/12 long after Man City had been taken over by the Abu Dhabi group- they’re as complicit as the likes of Man Utd in trying to close the top- they’re simply not “designed to stop Man City competing” as Stifler states. Yet they’re the ones who are trying to bypass the regulations they themselves have agreed to and implemented in order to gain yet more advantage at the top. Although they were the first to break away from the ESL plans, let’s not forget they were also complicit in being a founder member of that too- Stifler seems to suggest that they weren’t?

So, no charge from the PL because Man City took the paltry amount of money offered as compensation and the matter didn’t even get reported for another 7 years after. Conspiracy abounds- poor Man City!

“City are accused of 50 breaches of providing inaccurate financial information, eight breaches in relation to manager remuneration from 2009 to 2013, 12 breaches in relation to player remuneration from 2010 to 2015, five breaches linked to UEFA financial regulations, 25 profitability and sustainability breaches and 30 breaches of assisting the Premier League investigation” https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37698153/manchester-city-premier-league-title-win-comes-looming-charges?platform=amp

You weren’t ‘found innocent’. ‘Not proven’ and ‘time barred’ is nothing like ‘innocent’. “In the end the question of whether City were guilty or not came down in no small part to an argument over whether certain breaches fell within the five-year timeframe Uefa rules stipulated. Uefa’s legal team lost that argument at Cas. The alleged supplementing by City of payments through Etisalat, a telecommunications business, was judged time-barred. The corresponding charge regarding the Etihad payments was partially time-barred and not proven in the view of the majority of the panel. The Cas panel would decide that City had failed in their duty to cooperate, for which the club received that €10 million fine.” https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/06/10/uefa-give-up-fighting-man-city-dominate-champions-league/#:~:text=Uefa's legal team lost that,the majority of the panel.

doesn’t sound like ‘just a paperwork issue’. “Allegedly, they did not fully disclose the financial remunerations that were made to one of their managers over a four-year period. The suggestion is that there was a secret contract so one of the managers was getting paid much more than officially stated. The Premier League also allege Man City didn't comply with UEFA's financial fair play rules over a five-year period. They also allege that Man City have not fully co-operated with the Premier League's investigation.”

Was in the directors box according to media

you’ve been charged with 115 offences. You only ‘got off’ previously with similar charges because UEFA were time barred from taking action, not that you were found innocent. It’s long been rumoured that you paid managers through other Middle Eastern companies to inflate wages and not declare the correct figures in account. You have unknown people laying large quantities of cash into the accounts (£30m). But aye, nothing untoward or bent going on at all. https://talksport.com/football/1481522/man-city-accused-accepting-illicit-payment-leaked-uefa-report/amp/ https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/12804623/man-city-premier-league-charges-explained-what-are-they-what-could-punishment-be-whats-the-timescale

Arsenal is £60m. Spurs is £30m. Hopefully we’ll be inbetween I guess.

Cracking mishit clearance by Martinez

Two nil. Lolz

For the money spent, and wages given, the whole fucking team is pretty shite. Recruitment has been so badly managed.

Constructive dismissal. 😂

Apart from Ronaldos 182 penalties?

Aye- scored 47 from 48 and missed against Forest (Crossley)

Scored 28, and missed 3

“Ronaldo is in the ascendency when it comes to penalties. Excluding shootouts, Ronaldo’s overall penalty conversion rate is 84%, and Messi's overall penalty conversion rate is 78%. Ronaldo has scored a staggering 153 penalties (with 29 misses) “