Sean

Talk about cherry picking. What about the quote above that? What, Charnley sending an email on Mike's instructions? It doesn't mean what he has emailed is true. However, they definitely have asked the Fans Forum not to criticise the clubs communications. They want it all quiet as Rafa's contract runs down, simple. Like I say, cherry picking. You pick the bits out to suit your negative agenda, whilst casting aside the ones that dont. I dont know if a takeover will happen but your conspiracy bullshit, is definitely simple. What fucking conspiracy? Look at the facts ffs.

Talk about cherry picking. What about the quote above that? What, Charnley sending an email on Mike's instructions? It doesn't mean what he has emailed is true. However, they definitely have asked the Fans Forum not to criticise the clubs communications. They want it all quiet as Rafa's contract runs down, simple.

True Faith today claim that: "Contacts have been made with the Fans Forum members requesting they do not criticise the club’s communications." This hasn't been reported anywhere else I don't believe. Now why would the club want to stop any dissent? Why care if you are actually going to sell. Link: http://www.true-faith.co.uk/true-faith-the-patter-special-9-newcastle-united-takeover-2-jun-2019/

It’s not as simple as that. What if Ashley gives Rafa a new deal giving him everything he wants then the takeover falls thru? See you when the takeover falls through and Rafa's gone then I guess. It should have been sorted months ago. Why did Ashley start talks with Rafa knowing full well of this supposed takeover though? It makes no sense at all.

If I thought I would be the new owner soon, I would demand the club signs rafa to a new deal as it's obvious to everyone how important he is to this club. Why have BZG not done this if they think they will be the new owners soon?

So you're going off Mark Douglas of the Chronicle when the PL has already stated no comment ;D You are being wilfully contrary and quite frankly a bit strange. Facts have gone out the window due to hope I think. What facts are these then? That absolutely no-one and nowhere has claimed the fit and proper persons test is in process, for one. I'm out, believe whatever you want to believe.

So you're going off Mark Douglas of the Chronicle when the PL has already stated no comment ;D You are being wilfully contrary and quite frankly a bit strange. Facts have gone out the window due to hope I think.

Plus the American consortium, the Mexicans, was there Chinese mentioned also at one point? :lol:

Whether it happens or not, you are twisting the facts (probably because you really want it all to be true, as we all do). This is far from being a certainty. The club confirmed their statements to be true. I'm standing behind all of that other than the fit and proper persons test bit but it was assumed this process would begun ASAP. Since when has our club been a bastion of truth? Also, I thought Charnley wouldn't know fuck all about this? And you're going to ASSUME that they will start soon? Why?

It isn’t confirmed as far as I’m aware but BZG said that they are awaiting the ‘so-called fit and proper test’ and are ready to assist the PL with it. Think Ashley is the one who has to submit the actual forms with the PL. So the statement that didn't actually say it's started? They said documentation has been submitted to the PL and that 'The so called fit-and-proper Premier League process is a standard procedure which will take time, and we are doing all we can to assist the Premier League during this process'. To me that indicates yes it has been started. Nah. They didn’t say it had been submitted. As I said, fans are so desperate for this to be true that they're twisting things in their minds to be positive news. We need to be cynical where this club is concerned, as if the last 10+ years haven't happened.

It isn’t confirmed as far as I’m aware but BZG said that they are awaiting the ‘so-called fit and proper test’ and are ready to assist the PL with it. Think Ashley is the one who has to submit the actual forms with the PL. So the statement that didn't actually say it's started? They said documentation has been submitted to the PL and that 'The so called fit-and-proper Premier League process is a standard procedure which will take time, and we are doing all we can to assist the Premier League during this process'. To me that indicates yes it has been started. It's vague.

Whether it happens or not, you are twisting the facts (probably because you really want it all to be true, as we all do). This is far from being a certainty.

It might happen, it might not. The rest, none of us actually know the truth, same as with Staveley and Kenyon. Theres just so much smoke and mirrors around us though, I'm sick of it. We all just want us to be a normal, well ran club. Imagine being able to make signings in the timeframe of other clubs, rather than the way we take a month to pay Lejeune's release clause for example. I remember the feeling of deflation when Stanley's bid failed, as I was just starting to believe it was happening. There were HUGE noises that it was going to be completed, then he calls them time wasters. I'm not putting myself in that position again.

It isn’t confirmed as far as I’m aware but BZG said that they are awaiting the ‘so-called fit and proper test’ and are ready to assist the PL with it. Think Ashley is the one who has to submit the actual forms with the PL. So the statement that didn't actually say it's started?

Where is it confirmed that the fit and proper persons test has been triggered? Or is this just assuming from something?

I think a lot of fans want rid of Ashley so badly that they're twisting every bit of info so that in their heads its all positive. Things like "journalists who are sceptical are just jealous they missed the scoop" - ignoring the fact that extreme scepticism is absolutely needed with Ashley. And especially when it comes to supposed takeovers. The position we need to take is to call it out and say we will believe it when it happens. We've seen this stuff fall apart far too many times before. Remember a few days ago we were already sold, it was a done deal ffs. Now? Starting to look like our bi-annual takeover saga that drags on for a couple of months...by which time Rafa's contract has ran out. Why? Because the process and takeover haven't been completed in the six days since the story broke. You're letting the journos whip you up into a state where if there's no official statement for a day or two then ITS OFF. It'll be completed, fat man is gone, just wait for the announcement when it's actually finished and ignore the clueless media. Its nothing to do with the journos, its the frequency of failed takeover attempts at this club. Has to be a record. Fingers crossed this one happens, but I can't believe until he's gone. I had these same arguments over the Kenyon deal...everyone said it was definitely happening (even ITK's being nudged by people close to the deal etc). He's still here though. No they didn't because he couldn't raise the funds. Some might of hoped, but there was never any indication that the deal was anywhere completion. When did Kenyon release a statement saying, the fee had been agreed, proof of funds supplied and sent to the PL for the fit and proper test. Fans' groups called off protests to help the 'takeover' last time (who exactly asked them to do this?). Also Kenyon was reported to have agreed a fee in principle: https://www.themag.co.uk/2018/12/mike-ashley-agrees-300m-deal-in-principle-to-sell-newcastle-united-by-instalments-report/ Theres only a suggestion that BZG have agreed on a price too. It can still go the same way as the last one. And Kenyon released a letter thanking Mike for being so good to deal with, you couldn't make this shit up: https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/revealed-peter-kenyon-letter-mike-15633013 All I'm saying is, why are people so sure we're gonna be sold? OK, this might be a bit further, but theres still every chance it will go the same way as previous takeovers that never happened.

I think a lot of fans want rid of Ashley so badly that they're twisting every bit of info so that in their heads its all positive. Things like "journalists who are sceptical are just jealous they missed the scoop" - ignoring the fact that extreme scepticism is absolutely needed with Ashley. And especially when it comes to supposed takeovers. The position we need to take is to call it out and say we will believe it when it happens. We've seen this stuff fall apart far too many times before. Remember a few days ago we were already sold, it was a done deal ffs. Now? Starting to look like our bi-annual takeover saga that drags on for a couple of months...by which time Rafa's contract has ran out. Why? Because the process and takeover haven't been completed in the six days since the story broke. You're letting the journos whip you up into a state where if there's no official statement for a day or two then ITS OFF. It'll be completed, fat man is gone, just wait for the announcement when it's actually finished and ignore the clueless media. Its nothing to do with the journos, its the frequency of failed takeover attempts at this club. Has to be a record. Fingers crossed this one happens, but I can't believe until he's gone. I had these same arguments over the Kenyon deal...everyone said it was definitely happening (even ITK's being nudged by people close to the deal etc). He's still here though. Frequent? This is the third. Oh sorry I forget loads of owners try to sell their club 3 times in 18 months, find real serious buyers, but just can't do a deal. Yes, frequent. Yes but two incidents of failure, dont mean the third will be. And yes, someone who is trying to sell something, may try to sell something more than once. Well I don't believe he's really been trying to sell it. Shit, I want to sell my house if anyone will pay me double the going rate.

Yep, he would have had a list of names fully scouted by the time the season ended no doubt. And this is the only bit of 'good' news about him. 28 days to go...

I think a lot of fans want rid of Ashley so badly that they're twisting every bit of info so that in their heads its all positive. Things like "journalists who are sceptical are just jealous they missed the scoop" - ignoring the fact that extreme scepticism is absolutely needed with Ashley. And especially when it comes to supposed takeovers. The position we need to take is to call it out and say we will believe it when it happens. We've seen this stuff fall apart far too many times before. Remember a few days ago we were already sold, it was a done deal ffs. Now? Starting to look like our bi-annual takeover saga that drags on for a couple of months...by which time Rafa's contract has ran out. Why? Because the process and takeover haven't been completed in the six days since the story broke. You're letting the journos whip you up into a state where if there's no official statement for a day or two then ITS OFF. It'll be completed, fat man is gone, just wait for the announcement when it's actually finished and ignore the clueless media. Its nothing to do with the journos, its the frequency of failed takeover attempts at this club. Has to be a record. Fingers crossed this one happens, but I can't believe until he's gone. I had these same arguments over the Kenyon deal...everyone said it was definitely happening (even ITK's being nudged by people close to the deal etc). He's still here though. Frequent? This is the third. Oh sorry I forget loads of owners try to sell their club 3 times in 18 months, find real serious buyers, but just can't do a deal. Yes, frequent.

I think a lot of fans want rid of Ashley so badly that they're twisting every bit of info so that in their heads its all positive. Things like "journalists who are sceptical are just jealous they missed the scoop" - ignoring the fact that extreme scepticism is absolutely needed with Ashley. And especially when it comes to supposed takeovers. The position we need to take is to call it out and say we will believe it when it happens. We've seen this stuff fall apart far too many times before. Remember a few days ago we were already sold, it was a done deal ffs. Now? Starting to look like our bi-annual takeover saga that drags on for a couple of months...by which time Rafa's contract has ran out. Why? Because the process and takeover haven't been completed in the six days since the story broke. You're letting the journos whip you up into a state where if there's no official statement for a day or two then ITS OFF. It'll be completed, fat man is gone, just wait for the announcement when it's actually finished and ignore the clueless media. Its nothing to do with the journos, its the frequency of failed takeover attempts at this club. Has to be a record. Fingers crossed this one happens, but I can't believe until he's gone. I had these same arguments over the Kenyon deal...everyone said it was definitely happening (even ITK's being nudged by people close to the deal etc). He's still here though.

I think a lot of fans want rid of Ashley so badly that they're twisting every bit of info so that in their heads its all positive. Things like "journalists who are sceptical are just jealous they missed the scoop" - ignoring the fact that extreme scepticism is absolutely needed with Ashley. And especially when it comes to supposed takeovers. The position we need to take is to call it out and say we will believe it when it happens. We've seen this stuff fall apart far too many times before. Remember a few days ago we were already sold, it was a done deal ffs. Now? Starting to look like our bi-annual takeover saga that drags on for a couple of months...by which time Rafa's contract has ran out.

Ive been asking these questions for a while, it stinks.

"Ready to move on from Rafa"- a clear sign that if this guy is legit he is also legitimately fucking stupid. He's not legit is he? No-one could be that fucking stupid.

It's not deliberate, but the rules seem to have been unofficially changed by officials so that it doesn't have to be deliberate anymore

Same as ever.