triggs

Canny goal by Ashley Barnes

This is what happens when you sell all your best players every year

Is that right or is Merson talking shit? Commentator on my stream said the same, he actually mentioned it even before he picked it up so presume he's correct. Stifler disagrees so that confirms it as well

Never knew that a keeper could pick it up if it was kneed back to him

Doing a terrible job of parking the bus if they are. Haven't seen us dominate a PL match like this in ages

That one's not too bad tbf

Did the hard part ffs. Class by Shelvey

Have to score soon

Gayle cannot head the ball

10 man Benevento beating Lazio away ffs

Ref has completely bottled that. Think it should have been a free kick for Mane in the first place though

First one was shite, second one wasn't a great chance imo

Watching Bologna Roma. Would absolutely love Simone Verdi here

He takes a touch with his left foot before punting it out of play with his right and then gets stepped on. Do we lose context of the situation and give a foul despite the fact he was never catching that ball then? I'll refer you to the final paragraph of my last post There’s a clear difference which is what you don’t seem to grasp. Your scenario is a late challenge, the actual incident was an accidental collision. A late tackle attempting to block the ball I said It’s still an attempted tackle/challenge, which is entirely different to a player accidentally putting his foot on the same blade of grass as another whilst not challenging for the ball which was nowhere near the action at the time. Doesn't really matter though, penalties are given for clumsy stuff like people accidentally standing on another player's foot all the time. Anyway I won't be back on for a few hours so I'll leave it at that

He takes a touch with his left foot before punting it out of play with his right and then gets stepped on. Do we lose context of the situation and give a foul despite the fact he was never catching that ball then? I'll refer you to the final paragraph of my last post Appreciated. I get what you are saying but similar to your "acceptable shirt pulling", fouls in the box are also different to those outside. As he was never reaching that ball whether he was stepped on or not, So your point about late fouls doesn't work. Likewise Triggs, you do realise this entire conversation proves VAR is wrong The fact it was so clear and obvious people are debating it surely makes the decision null and void? It never needed to go to VAR in the first place. Aye but I'll never accept that that incident isn't a clear penalty I don't even really like VAR

He takes a touch with his left foot before punting it out of play with his right and then gets stepped on. Do we lose context of the situation and give a foul despite the fact he was never catching that ball then? I'll refer you to the final paragraph of my last post There’s a clear difference which is what you don’t seem to grasp. Your scenario is a late challenge, the actual incident was an accidental collision. A late tackle attempting to block the ball I said

He takes a touch with his left foot before punting it out of play with his right and then gets stepped on. Do we lose context of the situation and give a foul despite the fact he was never catching that ball then? I'll refer you to the final paragraph of my last post

Yeah, but that means VAR will be giving 6 pens a game for shirt grabbing in the box then? Fair point really, probably not, but it just seems to be a football wide acceptance that shirt pulling is allowed, video reffing or not Is part of football not based on luck and subjectivity? Different people have different opinions on what is a bad tackle or foul. The fact people can argue both for and against Italy getting a pen shows it simply isn't as easy as "VAR says it's a pen". Would Italy have felt hard done by for not getting a pen? Probably not. I don't understand those opinions though. Its clearly a penalty going by the rules of the game. VAR has generally been shambolic when trialled in the FA cup so far but I don't understand the outrage when it actually does its job the way it should Well, it’s not. Even more laughable that a few posts up you explain how shirt pulling is seen as acceptable in football - what?! By your rules of “contact causing someone to fall over is a foul” we should have about 30 penalties a game. If a ref sees the foul for a penalty, he gives a penalty. If a ref sees shirt pulling, he probably doesn't give a penalty. I don't agree with it, but that's just the way it is. I never said the bit in bold. I said if your legs or foot connect with another players legs or foot while not touching the ball and that contact is enough to impede the player or stop him from continuing his run, then its a foul, and it clearly is But the contact in the Italy game didn’t impede the player in any way? What did it impede him from doing? He’d lost the ball and was already going to ground. He wasn’t running, he was falling. “basically anything that involves your legs impeding the other player's legs without getting the ball is a foul and rightly so” How many ‘tangles of legs’ do we see in football where both players just clip each other unintentionally? Who gets a foul then? How many times does a goalkeeper catch a player after a shot has been taken? Nothing is given, why? Because contact is inevitable and it’s ridiculous to penalise ever single touch. He had just been pushed/shouldered fairly by Tarkowski so was off balance, there's no way of knowing if he would have fell, then Tarkowski steps on his foot stopping him from running forward, which is a foul. It doesn't matter if you unintentionally bring down the player by a tangle of legs, its a foul. The one with the ball who is impeded gets the free kick. If a player is running up the wing, and a guy behind clips him accidentally, causing him to fall over, its a foul. This doesn't seem to be getting through to you as you keep making this point with the goalkeepers, so I'll say it again. Contact between upper body's of players is inevitable and fine as long as it isn't a clear push in the back or something. I'm talking about the contact between legs I was talking about legs too - a player tries to chip the keeper, misses, the momentum of the player and keeper running towards each other causes the player to go over. It happens in virtually every one on one situation. It’s not a foul because the ball (and any chance) has gone long before any accidental contact is made - exactly likethe Italy situation. You said “the one with the ball gets the freekick” well, the Italy player had lost the ball. It was an accidental coming together and absolutely nothing more than that. Nah, its not a foul because the goalkeeper can't get out of the way in that scenario, and that's not a tangle between legs anyway, its the attacking player falling over the body of the keeper generally. I wasn't talking about the Chiesa challenge when I said "the one with the ball gets the free kick", I was just responding to your scenario. The Chiesa challenge is the exact same as a late challenge on a player. Lets say a midfielder hits a bad pass in the direction of an opposition player but while that's just happened someone comes in with a late tackle intended to block the ball. The player is no longer in control of the ball but its still his free kick

He literally isn't already going to ground already He's off balance as he's just been shouldered/pushed fairly by Tarkowski, but he doesn't do any sort of diving motion until he gets stood on

Yeah, but that means VAR will be giving 6 pens a game for shirt grabbing in the box then? Fair point really, probably not, but it just seems to be a football wide acceptance that shirt pulling is allowed, video reffing or not Is part of football not based on luck and subjectivity? Different people have different opinions on what is a bad tackle or foul. The fact people can argue both for and against Italy getting a pen shows it simply isn't as easy as "VAR says it's a pen". Would Italy have felt hard done by for not getting a pen? Probably not. I don't understand those opinions though. Its clearly a penalty going by the rules of the game. VAR has generally been shambolic when trialled in the FA cup so far but I don't understand the outrage when it actually does its job the way it should Well, it’s not. Even more laughable that a few posts up you explain how shirt pulling is seen as acceptable in football - what?! By your rules of “contact causing someone to fall over is a foul” we should have about 30 penalties a game. If a ref sees the foul for a penalty, he gives a penalty. If a ref sees shirt pulling, he probably doesn't give a penalty. I don't agree with it, but that's just the way it is. I never said the bit in bold. I said if your legs or foot connect with another players legs or foot while not touching the ball and that contact is enough to impede the player or stop him from continuing his run, then its a foul, and it clearly is But the contact in the Italy game didn’t impede the player in any way? What did it impede him from doing? He’d lost the ball and was already going to ground. He wasn’t running, he was falling. “basically anything that involves your legs impeding the other player's legs without getting the ball is a foul and rightly so” How many ‘tangles of legs’ do we see in football where both players just clip each other unintentionally? Who gets a foul then? How many times does a goalkeeper catch a player after a shot has been taken? Nothing is given, why? Because contact is inevitable and it’s ridiculous to penalise ever single touch. He had just been pushed/shouldered fairly by Tarkowski so was off balance, there's no way of knowing if he would have fell, then Tarkowski steps on his foot stopping him from running forward, which is a foul. It doesn't matter if you unintentionally bring down the player by a tangle of legs, its a foul. The one with the ball who is impeded gets the free kick. If a player is running up the wing, and a guy behind clips him accidentally, causing him to fall over, its a foul. This doesn't seem to be getting through to you as you keep making this point with the goalkeepers, so I'll say it again. Contact between upper body's of players is inevitable and fine as long as it isn't a clear push in the back or something. I'm talking about the contact between legs

Yeah, but that means VAR will be giving 6 pens a game for shirt grabbing in the box then? Fair point really, probably not, but it just seems to be a football wide acceptance that shirt pulling is allowed, video reffing or not Is part of football not based on luck and subjectivity? Different people have different opinions on what is a bad tackle or foul. The fact people can argue both for and against Italy getting a pen shows it simply isn't as easy as "VAR says it's a pen". Would Italy have felt hard done by for not getting a pen? Probably not. I don't understand those opinions though. Its clearly a penalty going by the rules of the game. VAR has generally been shambolic when trialled in the FA cup so far but I don't understand the outrage when it actually does its job the way it should Well, it’s not. Even more laughable that a few posts up you explain how shirt pulling is seen as acceptable in football - what?! By your rules of “contact causing someone to fall over is a foul” we should have about 30 penalties a game. If a ref sees the foul for a penalty, he gives a penalty. If a ref sees shirt pulling, he probably doesn't give a penalty. I don't agree with it, but that's just the way it is. I never said the bit in bold. I said if your legs or foot connect with another players legs or foot while not touching the ball and that contact is enough to impede the player or stop him from continuing his run, then its a foul, and it clearly is

Yeah, but that means VAR will be giving 6 pens a game for shirt grabbing in the box then? Fair point really, probably not, but it just seems to be a football wide acceptance that shirt pulling is allowed, video reffing or not Is part of football not based on luck and subjectivity? Different people have different opinions on what is a bad tackle or foul. The fact people can argue both for and against Italy getting a pen shows it simply isn't as easy as "VAR says it's a pen". Would Italy have felt hard done by for not getting a pen? Probably not. I don't understand those opinions though. Its clearly a penalty going by the rules of the game. VAR has generally been shambolic when trialled in the FA cup so far but I don't understand the outrage when it actually does its job the way it should

Yeah, but that means VAR will be giving 6 pens a game for shirt grabbing in the box then? Fair point really, probably not, but it just seems to be a football wide acceptance that shirt pulling is allowed, video reffing or not

The ref still gets to make most of the calls and if he gets a major decision right the game should in theory just continue. It should be seen as a plus for VAR that it was able to give a penalty which was a penalty even if the players hadn't spotted it, not seen as a negative

Would love it but Lascelles would probably knock him out within an hour